Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

20/20 · 06-06-2021 03:56PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I was subjected to a Nathan Carter album on repeat in a situation I was in and can categorically state that it’s a scientific fact his music is appalling and his fans simply don’t know any better.

But did you get laid in the end.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-06-2021 04:00PM

20/20 wrote: »

But did you get laid in the end.

if it was that sort of situation I wouldn’t have got passed “ hey ever heard of Nathan Carter? “

However it was a mobile home

Ash.J.Williams · 06-06-2021 04:01PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I read that... all of those lyrics...

A part of me just died, I no longer fear hell... and God is dead...

I feel templebar is misrepresented here, and that’s not easy

ineedeuro · 06-06-2021 04:11PM

People complaining about others peoples music....wow that’s new
Carter has a following, let them off with it.

The problem is not Carter, the problem is how pi** poor Rte is and it ain’t getting better. The late late show with no audience just proved how awful Tiubs is, even when he got a decent guest he was terrible. The problem is he is actually the best they have.

RabbleRouser2k · 06-06-2021 04:19PM

ineedeuro wrote: »

People complaining about others peoples music....wow that’s new
Carter has a following, let them off with it.

The problem is not Carter, the problem is how pi** poor Rte is and it ain’t getting better. The late late show with no audience just proved how awful Tiubs is, even when he got a decent guest he was terrible. The problem is he is actually the best they have.

I'd sincerely doubt that. That he's 'the best they have'. If anything, Tommy Tiernan showed him up.

And I know Tiernan is a divisive figure. And I completely understand that. But Tommy actually listens to the people he's talking to-you never get that feeling with Tubridy.

And this isn't even Tiernan's main gig, it's just a side gig for him.

ineedeuro · 06-06-2021 04:28PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I'd sincerely doubt that. That he's 'the best they have'. If anything, Tommy Tiernan showed him up.

And I know Tiernan is a divisive figure. And I completely understand that. But Tommy actually listens to the people he's talking to-you never get that feeling with Tubridy.

And this isn't even Tiernan's main gig, it's just a side gig for him.

Tommy is a comedian, that’s why I didn’t include him

happyoutscan · 06-06-2021 06:59PM

I was 'barred' from a jukebox once in a quiet country pub for putting on Pantera tune Cowboys from Hell.

Next day a local came in and put on ****ing Nathan Carters Wagon Wheel 9 times in a row. 9 ****ing times.

There's **** all justice in this world.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-06-2021 07:01PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

I was 'barred' from a jukebox once in a quiet country pub for putting on Pantera tune Cowboys from Hell.

Next day a local came in and put on ****ing Nathan Carters Wagon Wheel 9 times in a row. 9 ****ing times.

There's **** all justice in this world.

You’re a hero

Ash.J.Williams · 06-06-2021 07:07PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

V-Day... an RTE program about people getting vaccines...

Christ...

Even the name, V-Day means 'Valentine's Day' in most people's lexicon... but what the hell is this muck?

Jeez Christ man people who think vday is Valentines Day are fairly low on the intelligence spectrum

Elmo · 06-06-2021 10:09PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Jeez Christ man people who think vday is Valentines Day are fairly low on the intelligence spectrum

Have to say I would have called it VE-Day, or that's what I generally know V-day as, have to say V-Day re: Covid is kind of insulting to VE-Day. In general a ****e name for a show that will no doubt fawn over the last 1 year and half, it's been bad enough I personally am happy to forget it. TBH.

Elmo · 07-06-2021 03:57PM

Back to the License fee etc

Can anyone tell me the total number of occupied households in 2020 (included holiday homes)?

RabbleRouser2k · 07-06-2021 05:07PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Jeez Christ man people who think vday is Valentines Day are fairly low on the intelligence spectrum

I was basing it on this-when I went to see what time 'V Day' aka the Vaccines documentary was on, I typed 'V Day RTE' into Google.

First article that popped up was from last year. Even RTE were calling it 'V Day'

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2020/0205/1113394-14-things-to-do-on-valentines-day-in-ireland-in-2020/

rolling boh · 07-06-2021 05:17PM

vacine day is a typical nothing thing put out by RTE people watching in and getting all excited seeing some oldies getting their jab .Good for the people getting the jab but hardly merits a programme about it as everybody who wants one will get it no big deal .

Elmo · 08-06-2021 01:36PM

Elmo wrote: »

Back to the License fee etc

Can anyone tell me the total number of occupied households in 2020 (included holiday homes)?

So there are four things about the €60m figure that has to be addressed.

1. Number of households with a person over the age of 70, I estimate being between 100,000 to 150,000 households.
2. The total number of households in the country.
3. The number of business paying for their license.

If we exclude businesses, I am only getting to non-payment of the license fee by the public of between €20m and €30m

Total licenses collected in 2020 by An Post was 1.433m
Total number of households was 1.809m in 2016
of which 117,123 where people over the age of 70 living alone
which gives 1.7m households
takeaway an estimate of 100,000 households with a person over the age of 70 bring the total number of households to 1.6m

houses refusing to pay is around 177,000, of which a certain amount are avoiding because they don't have a TV.

And the 4th thing we need to ask

4. are the over 70s included in An Posts collection numbers? and if so why?

fritzelly · 08-06-2021 01:42PM

Not only over 70s get a free TV licence

The plucked the number out their arse

elperello · 08-06-2021 02:17PM

If it's any help to you, a person I know recently had their 70th birthday and received the household benefits package.

A TV licence for life was issued online with instructions to print it off.

When the renewal date for their previous licence came there was no notification.

Based on this I see no reason why An Post would have any involvement in over 70's TV licences but I am open to correction.

Elmo · 08-06-2021 03:07PM

elperello wrote: »

IBased on this I see no reason why An Post would have any involvement in over 70's TV licences but I am open to correction.

I would agree but do An Post add the over 70s (et al) as part of the collected number? So the DSP say to An Post we have issues X number of Free TV Licenses, which for An Post's annual report is add on to the total number of TV licenses collected.

i.e. No of Free License + No of License Sold = 1.433m licenses

If so then perhaps RTÉ €60m figure is correct.

Elmo · 08-06-2021 05:31PM

According to the DSP Annual Reports

2018: 439,173 - @160 - €70,267,680
2019: 450,800 - @160 - €72,128,000

In 2019 they restored some of this fund to the TV Licence of 5m, I am not sure how much they actually give into the over all TV Licence pot.

From An Post's Annual Reports for the same year
2018: 1.481m TV licences sold ~ €236,960,000
2019: 1.481m TV licences sole ~ €236,960,000

This leads me to 2 points either

1. An Post TV licences sales include ~450k from the DSP, question: Why?
or
2. DSP do not pay the full amount for "free" TV licenses, question: Why?

ohnonotgmail · 08-06-2021 07:20PM

Elmo wrote: »

According to the DSP Annual Reports

2018: 439,173 - @160 - €70,267,680
2019: 450,800 - @160 - €72,128,000

In 2019 they restored some of this fund to the TV Licence of 5m, I am not sure how much they actually give into the over all TV Licence pot.

From An Post's Annual Reports for the same year
2018: 1.481m TV licences sold ~ €236,960,000
2019: 1.481m TV licences sole ~ €236,960,000

This leads me to 2 points either

1. An Post TV licences sales include ~450k from the DSP, question: Why?
or
2. DSP do not pay the full amount for "free" TV licenses, question: Why?

what part of the report are you seeing those DSP figures? The info I can see is in Table H2 which shows €55M for 2018 and €63.61M for 2019. the number of recipients for 2018 is given as 443,580 and 455,439 for 2019 in Table H5.

Elmo · 08-06-2021 07:30PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what part of the report are you seeing those DSP figures? The info I can see is in Table H2 which shows €55M for 2018 and €63.61M for 2019. the number of recipients for 2018 is given as 443,580 and 455,439 for 2019 in Table H5.

Thank you. I wasn't seeing the total given to the TV license by the DSP.

So DSP get a discount price

~€124 per household benefit scheme in 2018
and
~€140 per household benefit scheme in 2019

I will take a look again as to why the number of HSB are out for me.

ohnonotgmail · 08-06-2021 07:41PM

Elmo wrote: »

Thank you. I wasn't seeing the total given to the TV license by the DSP.

So DSP get a discount price

~€124 per household benefit scheme in 2018
and
~€140 per household benefit scheme in 2019

I will take a look again as to why the number of HSB are out for me.

this gives the impression that the DSP pays an amount per year that is not strictly linked to the number of recipients https://www.thejournal.ie/free-tv-licence-cut-rte-social-protection-communications-1129242-Oct2013/

Elmo · 08-06-2021 08:01PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this gives the impression that the DSP pays an amount per year that is not strictly linked to the number of recipients https://www.thejournal.ie/free-tv-licence-cut-rte-social-protection-communications-1129242-Oct2013/

So basically tell the License Fee payer that that they are not paying enough, when the government doesn't pay their fair share!

SPDUB · 08-06-2021 08:21PM

Something that may affect the figures is that the DSP appears to buy the free licences a day at a time ie if you get the free licence on your birthday but then die 4 weeks later there has only been a licence issued for 4 weeks

ohnonotgmail · 08-06-2021 08:29PM

Elmo wrote: »

So basically tell the License Fee payer that that they are not paying enough, when the government doesn't pay their fair share!

i'm not sure that is quite how I would put it.

SPDUB wrote: »

Something that may affect the figures is that the DSP appears to buy the free licences a day at a time ie if you get the free licence on your birthday but then die 4 weeks later there has only been a licence issued for 4 weeks

the article I linked to suggests they don't buy individual licences at all. They pay a fixed amount every year to cover the licences they need, irrespective of how many that is.

Elmo · 08-06-2021 10:22PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm not sure that is quite how I would put it.

the article I linked to suggests they don't buy individual licences at all. They pay a fixed amount every year to cover the licences they need, irrespective of how many that is.

It should be based on the numbers that are receiving the benefit.

RTÉ get a monthly payment from the Dept of Media.

If in a month 400 people go on the Household benefit they should pay 160 for each of those households and the charge should be made every June until the people over 70 in those household .... die .... brutal I know but .... we all die ... :pac:

Elmo · 08-06-2021 10:26PM

SPDUB wrote: »

Something that may affect the figures is that the DSP appears to buy the free licences a day at a time ie if you get the free licence on your birthday but then die 4 weeks later there has only been a licence issued for 4 weeks

Wow, that'd be one organized department

particularly considering they sent my 107 year old granny a final notice warning .... for the TV license ...

ohnonotgmail · 08-06-2021 10:34PM

Elmo wrote: »

It should be based on the numbers that are receiving the benefit.

RTÉ get a monthly payment from the Dept of Media.

If in a month 400 people go on the Household benefit they should pay 160 for each of those households and the charge should be made every June until the people over 70 in those household .... die .... brutal I know but .... we all die ... :pac:

I imagine they don't want the admin overhead.

Elmo · 08-06-2021 11:06PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I imagine they don't want the admin overhead.

Imagine policy administration not wanting to administer.

Elmo · 09-06-2021 11:13AM

In other news the Oireachtas committee wants to appoint Larry Bass to the Board of RTÉ.

You might know him from such shows as

You’re A Star
Fame
The Voice of Ireland
DWTS

Current RTÉ board members are seeking advice.

ohnonotgmail · 09-06-2021 11:15AM

Elmo wrote: »

Imagine policy administration not wanting to administer.

they don't want to administer at that micro level and I dont blame them.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore