Teenagers with no value for life and no care for repercussions - **Read OP**

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The river end of the street is okish, the northern end is an absolute disgrace and quite embarrassing really. Very run down. The fast food joints and gambling holes are the icing on the cake.

Could you imagine a Doctor Quirkys on Oxford Street or the Champs-Élysées? No neither can I.

Never been enough civic pride in Ireland in general. Everything is feckless and not thought out properly.

I can't believe the amount of money that is being spent on the site of Clery's, it will all be for nothing as the area will need to be completely dekipified for it to become an attraction again.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Really? Where exactly?

Here is a selection I found on Twitter but there are others as well in D1 near Gardiner St and Talbot Street, Foley Street.

https://twitter.com/DaveyDonn/status/1401461526792445953

I thought govt policy was mixed tenure and this was in the past. I don't think there is any private apartments being built in the area at all actually. Could be wrong but I think it's all social.

It's not a good idea. It will only make things worse.

And unfortunately what has taken over there, will likely spread to other Irish cities over the coming years.

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I'm sure it's been said many times in this thread but you just don't see this behaviour in the centre of other big cities across Europe.

you'd be surprised but some experts here were claiming the opposite earlier in this thread. That youth crime is everywhere in Europe and Dublin is no different. Seems they all disappeared after howth incident however

thegreengoblin wrote: »

The genie is well and truly out of the bottle in Dublin. The problem is too many toerags have been indulged for far too long with the result that they are now an entitled shower and have no sense of responsibilty. The mindset is all 'we can do whatever the fcuk we like in this country' and they pass that attitude along to their feral offspring.

I'm sure it's been said many times in this thread but you just don't see this behaviour in the centre of other big cities across Europe. I'm not saying they don't have issues, no doubt they do. But there seems to be a particular breed of nihilistic Dublin thug whose sole mission in life is to cause as much disruption and damage to everything that's going on around them.

I grew up in a working class area of Dublin and saw plenty of thuggery back in the day but what's happening now is on a different level and not just because we're seeing more of it on social media etc. As someone said earlier it's like they're in competition with each other to see who can behave the worst.

It's a bit late for me as my kids are in or near their teens but if I was starting out raising a young family I'd be out of here. Dublin has many great aspects to it but the place is being overrun by feral rats and unfortunately I don't see how the tide can be turned.

It has serious repercussions on the city's reputation as well. Word gets round and less people will visit if they perceive it's a dangerous kip.

It's a quality of life issue. Who is going to want to live in the center of a city that has these problems so open and obvious?

I don't understand how the city is so mismanaged and the lack of basic common sense when it comes to a whole range of issues.

The clinics is the one that sticks out a mile. Who thought it would be a good idea to have addicts from all over Leinster converging in the city center on a daily basis?

It's stupid things like that I can't understand.

It's like nothing is thought through.

NIMAN wrote: »

Crime is in all major cities, people claiming European capitals have no crime are just trying their best to make Dublin sound bad.

I have been in parts of Barcelona, Madrid, Paris, Amsterdam, Milan that I didn't feel safe in.

In Dublin's case a lot of it appears actively self inflicted through bad planning.

It's not just Dublin. Its literally every single town and city in this country where this is happening. Its the product of a consumerist and utterly materialistic society combined with state sanctioned perpetual social welfare payments and a failed justice system. Nothing matters to these people doing the street damage, nothing is worked for, even the things that think they are supposed to worship, like whatever their favourite global sport brand of tracksuit pants are, that don't matter either because given half the chance they'd loot the sports tracksuit shop and burn it down given half the opportunity. See what happened in London in 2011.
Literally nothing matters to them because that's the way it is. Religion and spirituality is dead and gone, and with it is any semblance of some sort of moral framework. So is the notion of the any semblance of community. This is the product of a total nihilistic, materialistic, brand worshipping society. At least in other consumerist societies where this is the case the police have been briefed on the repercussions of it and are allowed to go in and welt the heads off anybody who steps out of line.
People want it both ways in Ireland but you can't. You can't have a nihilistic, materialistic, brand worshipping society and expect to have some police force that will only act with kid gloves and kitten mittens. If you corporate all of society to solely work on a materialistic level, then you must do the same for the police and the justice system. The same level of brutality must be the same all over or else it won't work. And it doesn't. Even the laughing gas guzzling feral kids have figured this out and the proof is the last week.

brucky wrote: »

“It’s time for a change” why are certain political parties criticising the Guards? How can thuggish antisocial behaviour be capitalised on? How can politicians find an angle to suit their “one for everyone in the audience” agenda Are the Greens & SF the new Trump?

Cos they are terrified of being accused of punching down or actually saying someone should have personal responsibility for their actions?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Greens I don't get. These toes rags are not part of their constituency. SF is different. Fact is a lot of the youth come from areas that are natural hinterland for SF so they are afraid to criticise.

Green party are now under the assumption that every single teenager and young person on the planet now follows the mantra of Greta Thunberg and are potential green party voters.
Jokes on them.

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There should be a mandatory draft signed in that anyone on long term unemployment but are physically fit to work, or any of the young offenders should have to do a 2 year stint in the army.
A bit of purpose and discipline might steer them straight because what we as society are doing now isn’t working.

This seems to be a mantra that's touted whenever 'the youth' are seen to be out of control, and need a bit of manners put on them. Leaving aside those under 18, who probably account for a sizeable chunk of those involved in crime, are you suggesting that anyone within the age group suitable for army service be 'drafted' simply because they are on long term unemployment, or only those fit for service.
I wonder what the cost would be to the state, for an individual to be drafted....
Would they be paid standard army wages....
What will happened to them on leaving the service.... back to unemployment again probably.

Having a mandatory army stint is a completely difference thing than simply drafting someone simply because they are long term unemployed.
Not everyone who is unemployed is involved in criminality.

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There should be a mandatory draft signed in that anyone on long term unemployment but are physically fit to work, or any of the young offenders should have to do a 2 year stint in the army.
A bit of purpose and discipline might steer them straight because what we as society are doing now isn’t working.

The last thing we want to be doing is making these scrotes proficient with weaponry.

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There should be a mandatory draft signed in that anyone on long term unemployment but are physically fit to work, or any of the young offenders should have to do a 2 year stint in the army.
A bit of purpose and discipline might steer them straight because what we as society are doing now isn’t working.

Sure there was people claiming that job- bridge programme was akin to slavery . They got an extra 50 quid on their scratcher for doing a few hours work a week .