Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

whats story with numbers when was the last covid death in ireland?

Micky 32 wrote: »

Do you work for the media or something ? No vaccine is 100%. Even with the original strain some vaccinated will get the virus. The vaccine works excellent against the Indian variant, it’s not quite effective after the first jab.

Matt Hancock mentioned today the Delta variant is 40% more transmissable but vaccines are equally effective against all variants after the second dose. You seem angry that this is coming to an end for some reason.

Do I work.fir the media, lol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40306799.html%3ftype=amp

Micky 32 wrote: »

Did you read past the headline? After one dose. When fully vaxxed they are are as effective as with all variants.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/24/two-doses-of-covid-vaccines-provide-protection-against-india-variant.html

Unfortunately people don't read past the headlines!

An analogy I like is, Covid is like a camp fire out of control, A vaccine would be like a swimming pool of water to douse it out it. A much less efficient vaccine would be a bathtub of water. Still enough to do the job, but less impressive as a swimming pool.

With all these variants going about, not one vaccine manufacturer has being trying to sell an updated vaccine (I know Moderna was testing with variants etc...) but they are that confident the current vaccines are working.

eagle eye wrote: »

From the article......

'According to the research, in people who had received two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, levels of neutralising antibodies were more than five times lower against the Indian variant when compared to the original strain, upon which current vaccines are based.

This antibody response was even lower in people who had only received one dose.'

5 times lower neutralising antibodies does not mean 5 times lower efficacy against mild symptoms ( serious illness and hospitalizations hardly affected)

You are still being duped by the media.

Ficheall wrote: »

Whatever about the sentiment, I'm not sure if your analogy helps - what if your "much less efficient" vaccine is just a mug of water? Or a bucket?

The debate seems to just be the size of the container.. I don't get what clarity or info your analogy intends to introduce..

They only say a reduction of 500% antibodies (5 times reduced)
They never mention that the comparison could be 1000x antibody response vs 200x antibodies. Both still way in excess of reducing hospitalizations and deaths. But 5 times less is the click bait title.

The analogy is based on antibodies, which is just one line of defense we have, we also have T cells, which are still a mystery in defining immunity. With the same analogy, you may only have a bucket to put out that camp fire, but your T cells are a fire hose filling up that bucket to keep dousing that fire!

eagle eye wrote: »

How am I being duped? There is a concern, there's a booster planned because of it.

Of course there’s a booster planned

There’s money to be had

Wolf359f wrote: »

They only say a reduction of 500% antibodies (5 times reduced)
They never mention that the comparison could be 1000x antibody response vs 200x antibodies. Both still way in excess of reducing hospitalizations and deaths. But 5 times less is the click bait title.

The analogy is based on antibodies, which is just one line of defense we have, we also have T cells, which are still a mystery in defining immunity. With the same analogy, you may only have a bucket to put out that camp fire, but your T cells are a fire hose filling up that bucket to keep dousing that fire!

500% less is negative, you mean a reduction of 80%

Yes these articles never mention T-cells or anything, anything for a click

From today, according to RTE

"Those in an unvaccinated private household can welcome visitors from one other unvaccinated household"

Is this "without masks" ?(obviously "with commonsense")

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0607/1226375-covid-ireland-restrictions-easing/

Fascinating link to article regarding the virus likely origins, well worth a read imho - https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1401576415976427534?s=20

Supercell wrote: »

Fascinating link to article regarding the virus likely origins, well worth a read imho - https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1401576415976427534?s=20

That was a great Q and A. Thanks for posting it.

One additional point this Scientist made really is something that should be discussed more. Every news outlet in Ireland and RTE in particular were guilty of this so called false balance. Not everyone's opinion holds the same weight or should be treated the same.

Quote: False balance?
That one says: Okay, here is a majority opinion, which is represented by a hundred scientists. But then there are these two scientists who argue the opposite. In the media presentation, however, you then put one of these hundred against one of these two. And then it looks like it's 50:50, a conflict of opinion. And then what happens is what is actually the problem with it, namely that politicians say: "Well, then the truth will lie in the middle." That is that wrong compromise in the middle. And that's something I didn't know qualitatively. I didn't know this phenomenon existed. I also didn't know that it was so persistent and inevitable. This has happened in practically all countries, this problem. All scientists speak of it. It was not clear to me that a podcast would put me in the middle of this area of ​​tension

No increase in hospitals this weekend! Surely has to be the first time we’ve had less in hospital on a Monday then we did on the Friday? Anyway excellent figures all round

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1401906586323460096?s=21

brickster69 wrote: »

Nonsense have you seen the numbers? There is 1 Indian variant patient in hospital for every 16 hospitals in the UK. If it got 16 times worse there would be 1 in every hospital, do you think the NHS could cope with that ? Maybe they should just lockdown the country now eh, just in case.

I was listening to BBC 5Live yesterday and one of their expert scientists who apparently is part of their SAGE group (UK Type NPHET) was suggesting to maintain the lockdown restrictions, not because of Delta Variant but because we don't know what the next variant might be and whether the vaccines will be able for it.

It's not just here that the crazy logic and total fear of ending restrictions is endemic - 2 weeks to their freedom day now - its on a knife edge, we really need it to go well!