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Galway traffic

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    IDA expanding Parkmore

    "Galway County Council is due to make a decision on this planning application by June 10."

    Very quick turnaround for that decision, or has this been submitted for a while?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Jaysus you'd get a few cinemas and a capital of culture for that money.

    and a NEW hospital


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Or about 1,250 hydrogen fuel cell double decker buses, capable of moving 160,000 people at any given moment! It'd be like Salthill Sundays with all the public transport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic



    I'd say NTA have finally shaken down the IDA to contribute a good bit towards transport infrastructure in Parkmore.
    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Parkmore-Area-Strategic-Transport-Framework.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭timmyntc



    In fairness, better to expand Parkmore than build offices on the West side of the city.

    The city as a whole needs to grow Eastwards if the traffic problem is ever to be solved, the corrib will always be a pinch point no matter how many bypasses you build.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    timmyntc wrote: »
    In fairness, better to expand Parkmore than build offices on the West side of the city.
    Disagree.
    Better to have good public transport links to any high density developments whatever and where ever they are in the City.
    Parkmore is not a good example of this, it will improve but it did not have to be this way. Really poor planning and no foresight.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The importance of permeability has been mentioned a number of times over the last year on this thread.

    I came across this today which I think perfectly encapsulates the true value of good permeability.

    - It allows for more direct routes
    - Use of lower traffic roads
    - Great for pedestrians, disabled, buggy and bike users

    So, if at some point over the next few years you hear about a city council proposal to increase permeability in your local area, keep this video of a few school kids cycling home in the pishin rain in your mind (second vid)

    https://twitter.com/kevigi/status/1400500004377276418?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    So, if at some point over the next few years you hear about a city council proposal to increase permeability in your local area, keep this video of a few school kids cycling home in the pishin rain in your mind (second vid)

    https://twitter.com/kevigi/status/1400500004377276418?s=20
    Very good example alright.
    Practically all those permeability shortcuts in that video are in Salthill - it is no surprise that the older area's of the Citys have the best CSO stats for walking and cycling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    i'd still take the car, thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0603/1225934-cycling-school/

    Dominican College Girls Secondary School in Taylor's Hill in Galway has over 500 pupils, but only two who cycle to school.

    Not great no's for cycling considering its location, wonder what the walking figures are like for the school


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's looking more and more unlikely that the ring road is going to happen
    Joint Committee on Environment and Climate Action launches report on reducing carbon emission in transport sector by 51% by 2030

    Link - https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/press-centre/press-releases/20210603-joint-committee-on-environment-and-climate-action-launches-report-on-reducing-carbon-emission-in-transport-sector-by-51-by-2030/

    The Joint Committee on Environment and Climate Action today calls for a review of all planned road construction projects with a view to reallocating funding to sustainable transport schemes, consideration of road charging and mileage reduction targets, accelerated transition to electric vehicles and electrification of commuter rail lines, and an immediate expansion of public transport measures for rural and dispersed communities.

    The Committee launched its Report on Reducing Emissions in the Transport Sector by 51% by 2030, the first of a series of sector analyses on how Ireland will meet its target of a 51% reduction in emissions by 2030 and net zero emissions by 2050, in line with the Climate Action and Low-Carbon Development (Amendment) Bill 2020 currently going through the Houses of the Oireachtas.

    Committee Cathaoirleach Deputy Brian Leddin said: “Ireland has the fourth highest level of transport emissions per capita in Europe and the transport sector is responsible for around 20% of our overall CO₂ emissions, with private cars being the largest contributors to transport emissions. Taking into account projected population growth and, in turn, economic growth in the coming decades, Ireland will face a significant challenge in decarbonisation of the transport sector.”

    The key theme to emerged from the Committee meetings and written submissions from stakeholders was that the ‘avoid-shift-improve’ approach to reducing emissions is the internationally recognised standard that should be implemented in order to achieve our targets by 2050. This approach sets the emphasis on more radical and long-term policy changes:

    • Avoid – reduce the need for travel;
    • Shift – move travel to more environmentally-friendly/sustainable modes;
    • Improve – improve efficiency of transport modes to reduce emissions.


    Deputy Leddin said: “Our report seeks to embed the ‘avoid-shift-improve’ approach into our transport and mobility infrastructure planning. Reducing transport demand must be the first and key priority, followed by shifting carbon-intensive journeys to zero carbon modes such as walking and cycling, and by providing sustainable public transport in both rural and urban areas.

    “This report challenges the conventional ‘predict and provide’ approach and legacy of poor planning that has induced traffic and car dependency, driven road construction and high greenhouse gas emissions, with their resulting adverse consequences for our economy, our health, our society and our environment.”

    The Committee makes a total of 47 conclusions and recommendations across five areas – planning, public transport and active modes, electrification, freight transport and future challenges. The main recommendations are:
    • A review of future road construction projects should be conducted, to include an analysis of whether such substantial investment would be better allocated to more sustainable projects such as remote-working hubs and sustainable transport modes;

    • Further exploration be given to the establishment of remote working hubs in towns and villages, including sustainable transport links to these hubs, particularly in less densely populated areas, and that a national target for remote working should be introduced;

    • A policy of road space reallocation away from the private car and towards sustainable transport modes be introduced for cities, towns and villages, in order to induce demand for sustainable transport modes and to reduce capacity for private cars;

    • In light of the evidence from rural public transport projects such as the ‘Every Village, Every Hour’ project in Germany, there should be a significant increase in targeted investment in an immediate expansion of public transport measures for rural and dispersed communities in Ireland, to provide a realistic alternative to travelling by car;

    • The examination of road user charges, including potential targets for car mileage reductions to reduce transport emissions. The reallocation of revenue from such charges to more sustainable alternatives should form part of this examination;

    • Cycling superhighways such as those in Denmark and London should be developed as an alternative travel option for those living outside larger cities. Family-friendly cycling infrastructure should also be introduced;

    • A free public transport system should be costed as an option for encouraging the uptake of public transport in Ireland. The Minister for Transport should consider the benefits and feasibility of the provision of free public transport, based on the experiences in Europe and elsewhere, and roll out initiatives in this respect as soon as possible;

    • To achieve a transition to fully electric, zero-emission Electric Vehicles (EVs), efforts should be made to fully and quicklyequalise the purchase cost of new zero emission EVs with fossil fuel vehicles. Incentives and supports for EV take-up should be reviewed and targeted;

    • Consideration be given to the further electrification of all public transport including commuter rail lines as part of the DART+ programme;

    • An appropriately revised cost-benefit methodology should be applied to a review of current plans for the expansion of rail lines, including commuter lines that have been excluded due to current cost-benefit analysis tools;

    • An appropriately revised cost-benefit methodology should be applied to all transport projects to capture the short- and long-term climate costs and benefits and the potentially excessive weight given to time savings;

    • In order to address emissions in relation to road freight, a central digitalised system for freight logistics in Ireland should be developed which would allow all carriers to work towards ensuring fully loaded journeys, backloading, as well as re-routing and rescheduling to avoid congestion. Measures to encourage use of national and toll roads by freight rather than smaller roads should be considered, which may include flat annual fees for toll roads.
    Deputy Leddin concluded: “This report points the way towards how we achieve the necessary reduction in transport emissions through a fundamental change in how we plan and manage a quality and sustainable transport system in Ireland.”

    The Joint Committee on Environment and Climate Action has 14 Members, nine from the Dáil and five from the Seanad.

    The Committee’s Report on Reducing Emissions in the Transport Sector by 51% by 2030 is available on the Oireachtas website.

    The report is available here


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The report calls out the Galway ring road specifically as one that may be more beneficial if its cancelled and the monies directed to alternative transport options for Galway city.
    Many stakeholders highlighted that decades of poor planning have resulted in significant numbers of low-density communities, most of which have had little, if any, integration of public transport and land use planning. In addition, heavy development of motorway and road networks has imposed car dependency on a significant proportion of the population, with no sustainable alternatives.

    Dr. Tadhg O’Mahony outlined that:
    “through urban sprawl, our settlement pattern has increased travel distances. At the same time, transport policy directed major investment towards roads and motorways and allowed walking, cycling and public transport to stagnate or decline in comparison.”

    In turn, economic growth, particularly following the recent recession, led to an increase in demand for transport and exacerbated the unsustainable use of private cars over public transport.

    It has been widely stated that the construction of roads and motorways is inconsistent with the aim to reduce carbon emissions in the transport sector.

    Aside from the emissions as a result of the construction process, generally, road schemes result in increased traffic due to the increased road capacity which encourages car dependency and increased driving speeds.

    Dr. Lynn Sloman outlined that in an assessment undertaken of the English Department of Transport’s road investment strategy RIS2:
    “we found that RIS2 was likely to increase cumulative CO₂ emissions by about 20 megatonnes between now and 2032. That is about 5% of emissions from the strategic road network over the relevant time period. About one-third of the additional emissions are from construction, one-third from increases from high speeds and onethird from induced traffic.”

    In exploring this finding, the Committee suggested the need for some road construction in some instances, such as, to redirect heavy volumes of traffic congestion out of towns and villages. While stakeholders agreed that some targeted road construction may be necessary where there is a particular problem, it was re-emphasised that road construction – even in tandem with the electrification of vehicles – is not the best strategy to reduce congestion and will not provide the significant reductions in emissions that is urgently needed. This was highlighted by Mr. Andrew Murphy in relation to the Galway relief road project.

    The impact assessment for that project showed that:
    “the evidence was pretty clear that building the road would cause more cars to be used in Galway and would make the city more car dependent. Is our vision to have electric buses stuck in traffic behind electric cars? That is what we will get if we pursue both the electrification of vehicles and the construction of more roads.”

    Additionally, stakeholders emphasised that the building of new roads is expensive and these budgets could be reallocated and utilised for more sustainable projects.

    The Committee agreed that, in order to move away from the current system, planning policy has to be significantly transformed to repair urban sprawl, prevent low-density development and avoid the generation of longer journeys by car. This will be of significance for local and regional areas where strategic planning can work to revitalise towns and villages.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Young Bella Quinn from Taylors Hill secondary school appeared on RTE regarding a story on why there were over 500 pupils at the school but only 2 were cycling to school.

    https://twitter.com/GalwayCycling/status/1400560718143950852?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭topcat77


    Laviski wrote: »
    i'd still take the car, thanks.

    people try and have a productive debate and then you have this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    topcat77 wrote: »
    people try and have a productive debate and then you have this!

    debate? laughable
    hasn't been a debate since Nox exit, just majority posts from the pro cycle camp. nothing here meeting definition of a debate.

    my comment was toward the video of lashing rain where people admitting getting soaked while determined to cycle. I'd be either leaving the bikes there or put them in boot of car/bike rack of car and get home dry. Rather than ending up coughing and spluttering which would end in the kids not being allowed into the school under the current climate.


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    Laviski wrote: »
    debate? laughable
    hasn't been a debate since Nox exit, just majority posts from the pro cycle camp. nothing here meeting definition of a debate.

    I find people often complain about being bullied during engagement when they are arguing from a very weak position. The arguments from the pro-car side have little strength beyond emotion while the active-travel/active-mobility/pro-cycling/anti-car (whatever name you choose to assign) often have numerous scientific studies, evidence from cities all over the world etc etc
    my comment was toward the video of lashing rain where people admitting getting soaked while determined to cycle. I'd be either leaving the bikes there or put them in boot of car/bike rack of car and get home dry. Rather than ending up coughing and spluttering which would end in the kids not being allowed into the school under the current climate.

    There's no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Traffic gone nuts all day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Laviski wrote: »
    since Nox exit,

    <snip>


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    I find people often complain about being bullied during engagement when they are arguing from a very weak position. The arguments from the pro-car side have little strength beyond emotion while the active-travel/active-mobility/pro-cycling/anti-car (whatever name you choose to assign) often have numerous scientific studies, evidence from cities all over the world etc etc



    There's no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes :)

    bullied ? no some people got banned and/or stopped using boards, hence the lack of posts from the motorized folks. plus many made their contributions and dont feel the need to keep recycling their posts.

    pro car side is just emotion? get real, if there any side of emotion here it's on the cyclists side. Getting from A to B consistently in a timely manner is my only driving force. no emotion about that, if there are viable alternatives i would take it.

    wrong clothes? just recently you could have four seasons in one day, you can't pack and keep carry clothes for every eventuality. On your own maybe, but not when kids in tow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    zell12 wrote: »
    Traffic gone nuts all day

    yup it was pretty bad, was back and forth a few times through the day no let up.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Laviski wrote: »
    yup it was pretty bad, was back and forth a few times through the day no let up.

    I noticed that as I passed even more cars than usual on my spins today

    I'll soon be back to passing out 2019 levels of traffic jams


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Laviski wrote: »
    Rather than ending up coughing and spluttering which would end in the kids not being allowed into the school under the current climate.

    What are talking about here? :confused:
    Been out in the Rain makes one end up coughing and spluttering?
    Never heard of this and I have been cycling in City for 15yrs to get to and from work in all types of weather - have taken 1 sick day from work in all that time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    I noticed that as I passed even more cars than usual on my spins today

    I'll soon be back to passing out 2019 levels of traffic jams

    you say that as a jibe of some sort and that someone how i'm sitting in the car irritated which is far from reality. If i did the same journeys by bike, nothing would have been done except for shower as that would be needed after that much cycling then bed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    What are talking about here? :confused:
    Been out in the Rain makes one end up coughing and spluttering?
    Never heard of this and I have been cycling in City for 15yrs to get to and from work in all types of weather - have taken 1 sick day from work in all that time.

    congratulations, but you are not everybody. Obviously you have the rain gear that ensure's you are dry. I'm again saying my earlier comment from that video that they got "drownded" , kids wet cold weather is recipe for a cold. hence I'll take the car.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Laviski wrote: »
    congratulations, but you are not everybody.

    Nobody can be everybody.

    So what you are talking about here when you say the following?
    Rather than ending up coughing and spluttering which would end in the kids not being allowed into the school under the current climate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Laviski wrote: »
    I'm again saying my earlier comment from that video that they got "drownded" , kids wet cold weather is recipe for a cold. hence I'll take the car.

    ok you have added to your reply.
    New one on me to be honest - not heard or experienced this + my kids are out in wet and warm rain alot.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Laviski wrote: »
    you say that as a jibe of some sort and that someone how i'm sitting in the car irritated which is far from reality.

    you are adding 1+1 and getting 3

    I acknowledged your observation and made one of my own based on traffic levels returning to pre-covid levels

    Nothing more, nothing less


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Nobody can be everybody.

    So what you are talking about here when you say the following?

    If a kid gets a cough now, they are not allowed in school until they present a negative Covid test and the cough is 48 hours gone. ( That's the creche rule, I assume school is the same).



    IMHO, it was crappy parenting to have kids cycling in the weather in that video. If they'd waited 20 minutes, would be been a lot nicer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    It's even crappier parenting to drive your children to and from school every day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭sasal


    They're not going to dissolve in the rain.
    We got caught in the rain yesterday getting off the bus. neither of mine cared, we just walked home quicker than usual.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The report calls out the Galway ring road specifically as one that may be more beneficial if its cancelled and the monies directed to alternative transport options for Galway city.

    The ring road could well end up being a massive win for fixing the city traffic with public transport.

    You'd never get anything like €1billion in funding for a Galway public transport project but if the ring road gets canned for being the wrong solution then it'll be hard to argue against using the secured funds to do a huge overhaul of our public transport.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Laviski wrote: »
    I'd be either leaving the bikes there or put them in boot of car/bike rack of car and get home dry.

    That's fine too - it's not for everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,053 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    RTE - Frustration in Galway over traffic restrictions in city
    Traffic will be prohibited from travelling from Daly's Place to the Headford Road from next Monday. Restrictions will remain in place until the end of September.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Looks like I’m not missing much.

    Active travel Circlejerkers circlejerk about report by active travel circlejerkers. Ablist echo chamber much?

    Good luck trying to get the carscum in the sprawls to back the ideas, guys....

    (I’m going to regret pressing “post”, but hey. I’ll be in Canada in a year anyways & this won’t affect me anymore...)




    Threadban until 18 June.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Active travel Circlejerkers circlejerk about report by active travel circlejerkers. Ablist echo chamber much?

    The report is about sustainable transport and is largely discussing public transport, not active travel.

    Feel free to contribute and re-balance the discussion, your previous posts were dismantled and it would be great to hear more opposing views and suggestions that stand up.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The report is about sustainable transport and is largely discussing public transport…

    …your previous posts were dismantled….

    *Gaslighting klaxon*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Laviski wrote: »
    Rather than ending up coughing and spluttering which would end in the kids not being allowed into the school under the current climate.

    Germs make kids cough and sputter, not cycling. Cycling is good for kids health, kids that cycle, walk, skate, scoot to school are healthier than kids that get driven.

    Schools are encouraging active travel and safe to school through green schools. You should be aware of this.

    Look, you don't want your kids cycling to school, you want to drive them in, this is very common these days, just look at the traffic... and that's that's fair enough, but trying to convey kids cycling as a bad thing or an unhealthy thing isn't working for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭obi604


    Are the roadworks still happening before you reach Ma’am cross coming from the city?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Germs make kids cough and sputter, not cycling. Cycling is good for kids health, kids that cycle, walk, skate, scoot to school are healthier than kids that get driven.

    Schools are encouraging active travel and safe to school through green schools. You should be aware of this.

    Look, you don't want your kids cycling to school, you want to drive them in, this is very common these days, just look at the traffic... and that's that's fair enough, but trying to convey kids cycling as a bad thing or an unhealthy thing isn't working for you.

    You read what you want to read.

    I didn't say it was a bad thing, just have issue with cycling specifically in that kind of heavy rain in the video which is why I said I'll take the car. I have a bike and use it for leisure purposes where I use it on days with fine weather, but going from a to b or for work it's car. Have no issue with cyclist so long as they take cycle lanes when provided and when there is no cycle lanes they don't have a compulsion to cycle in middle of road.


    This is a galway traffic thread yet the majority of posters here say the only solution is get on yet bike or something bike related, might as well be called the galway cyclist traffic thread.
    I say this, get back to reality and stop taking whatever juice your on. For one uptake in cycling is never going to get to level it would need to to alleviate traffic, not in 20 years. Two, majority of people are still going to own at least 1 car per household, just a look through estates you easily find 2/3 cars per house, parking at apartments All full. Three, you need PT which is barely commented due to the pro cycle lobby on here, for PT not everyone wants to end up in Eyre square or go through Eyre square. You should be able to tap leap when on and again when off where the fee is capped and Of course bus lanes throughout which is finally planned but needs more.


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    Laviski wrote: »
    Have no issue with cyclist so long as they take cycle lanes when provided and when there is no cycle lanes they don't have a compulsion to cycle in middle of road.

    I've never seen this. Or do you mean middle of the lane?
    Laviski wrote: »
    For one uptake in cycling is never going to get to level it would need to to alleviate traffic, not in 20 years.

    Agree with this, cycling isn't going to solve the traffic problem, you can't expect a high enough uptake, not in the short or medium term anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    I've never seen this. Or do you mean middle of the lane?

    Where there is no white line marker I mean exactly that, where is a white line marker they are in arms length of it. Or also when cycling where they know vehicles are behind them they go side by side in twos and the odd time three's, making overtaking an issue not to mention the issue when going around corners against on coming vehicles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Galway traffic, thousands of cars bumper to bumper holding up the whole city and we've people complaining about cyclists holding up traffic as if they were the problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Laviski


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Galway traffic, thousands of cars bumper to bumper holding up the whole city and we've people complaining about cyclists holding up traffic as if they were the problem.

    Wow..... Just wow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Agree with this, cycling isn't going to solve the traffic problem, you can't expect a high enough uptake, not in the short or medium term anyway.

    Exactly, no one is saying cycling is the solution. It's usually the car centric people spouting out the line like this whereas the reality is that a drive away from cars is needed which includes bikes, buses, waking etc..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Laviski wrote: »
    Where there is no white line marker I mean exactly that, where is a white line marker they are in arms length of it. Or also when cycling where they know vehicles are behind them they go side by side in twos and the odd time three's, making overtaking an issue not to mention the issue when going around corners against on coming vehicles.

    Wow..... Just wow


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Laviski wrote: »
    Where there is no white line marker I mean exactly that, where is a white line marker they are in arms length of it. Or also when cycling where they know vehicles are behind them they go side by side in twos and the odd time three's, making overtaking an issue not to mention the issue when going around corners against on coming vehicles.

    If it's a small road with no central marker then middle of the road typically is middle of the lane.

    If there's a cycle lane and cyclists aren't using it it's worth asking why, it might not be as suitable as it looks (Doughiska for example).

    Where there are proper segregated cycle lanes they should be used and I think they generally are used. But you'll always have the odd car-hating hero with multiple cameras mounted out looking for confrontation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭obi604


    obi604 wrote: »
    Are the roadworks still happening before you reach Ma’am cross coming from the city?


    Bump. Need to head out that direction and wondering should I avoid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Laviski wrote: »
    Wow..... Just wow

    You've just realised I see. :)

    Chief, I understand, being stuck in traffic in a car every day is hard and it's easy to blame other road users, but you now know that cyclists aren't the problem.
    You now know cycling doesn't make children sick.
    You now know that kids get colds from germs.
    You now know that green schools actively encourage kids to cycle to school.

    Every day is a school day.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    obi604 wrote: »
    Bump. Need to head out that direction and wondering should I avoid.

    Try search Google Maps for directions, it should highlight delays in red.


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