Dublin Lord Mayor Hazel Chu to stand as Independent in Seanad elections

Danzy · 05-06-2021 08:59PM

If you want to know why the Tories are 16 points ahead, even while being a circus. Why the Left has died as a credible electoral force in many of its European Social Democratic bases. Use Chu as an example, one of an awful lot one could pick but thread context.

She thrives on hostility against party colleagues. against everything and everyone. If it can be made a public media dumpster fire, the better.

The Party may be getting places, a chance of becoming a serious electoral force and implementer of policy and she goes on a solo Seanad run, no chance but start a fire on the ship, Great craic and publicity. Drive on the division in the Party, rather than make it an actual force for change.

The common thread is the need to be front and centre, to be the moral warrior in shining army, to be acknowledged as that.

A friend who was a long standing volunteer often spoke about his admiration for those who sheltered him,hid arms, bought goods etc, often at risk of Life long imprisonment, and they were just helping, not volunteers.

Didn't want a word of thanks, did their part, hard yards and much suffering and they are unknown and out there in large numbers.

Regardless of your views on the war in the North my point is that the type and motivation of committed activist has changed across the left, across all politics to a degree and countries. The many who were on the edges unknown, risking long jail time, while remaining unknown.

Front and centre at all times and if you don't know it, they'll make you know it,ya fash.

The wider left is so deeply broken that a decade might see it out.

happyoutscan · 05-06-2021 09:23PM

I'm pretty sure it was the electorate that ended Lorraine Higgins political career and not the idiots throwing abuse and death threats.

05-06-2021 10:29PM

nullzero wrote: »

:pac: I can see the posters now "Vote for me or you're a racist".

Worked for Biden :pac:

punisher5112 · 05-06-2021 10:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »
Worked for Biden :pac:

Yeah if you don't vote for me you ain't black.... C'mon man....

They could really fix themselves over there and put someone in that will care for the people.

He is shocking.

Annasopra · 05-06-2021 10:31PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me to see her toss her hat in the ring to replace the Hobbit in the park when he retires - on behalf of all the minorities of course!

There may be another Seanad by election if Bacik or Boylan win....

If only there was a deal that FF and FG would stand aside to allow the greens win.....

Working class heroes · 05-06-2021 10:34PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me to see her toss her hat in the ring to replace the Hobbit in the park when he retires - on behalf of all the minorities of course!

Ah yes, thought so. True colours are shining through now.

Tell me how · 06-06-2021 05:00AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That's a bit unfair. She also knows how to write race baiting posts on twitter and make herself the self appointed champion of women and minorities.

Do you think every woman who defends herself or comments on something publicly thinks they are the self appointed champion of women and minorities?

What is it about Hazel that makes you think she sees herself in this way?

She gets some pretty horrific stuff sent to here, by mail and on Twitter as well, a lot of it mysognistic and racist based on the few examples she has shared publicly.

Should she not do this?

Everyone is an expert on calling out politicians and saying what is wrong with them from behind an anonymous account, suggesting they should shut up and not defend themselves is about what I'd expect from the sort of people who do this.

06-06-2021 08:44AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Do you think every woman who defends herself or comments on something publicly thinks they are the self appointed champion of women and minorities?

What is it about Hazel that makes you think she sees herself in this way?

She gets some pretty horrific stuff sent to here, by mail and on Twitter as well, a lot of it mysognistic and racist based on the few examples she has shared publicly.

Should she not do this?

Everyone is an expert on calling out politicians and saying what is wrong with them from behind an anonymous account, suggesting they should shut up and not defend themselves is about what I'd expect from the sort of people who do this.

She does, but in a similar vein to Donald Trump, who also got reams of abuse, she does herself no favours. She is a race baiter, who clearly doesn't care about her party, and only seems to care for herself. She's thrown the greens under the bus by doing what she has.

nullzero · 06-06-2021 08:50AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Do you think every woman who defends herself or comments on something publicly thinks they are the self appointed champion of women and minorities?

What is it about Hazel that makes you think she sees herself in this way?

She gets some pretty horrific stuff sent to here, by mail and on Twitter as well, a lot of it mysognistic and racist based on the few examples she has shared publicly.

Should she not do this?

Everyone is an expert on calling out politicians and saying what is wrong with them from behind an anonymous account, suggesting they should shut up and not defend themselves is about what I'd expect from the sort of people who do this.

She has every right to defend herself and I think you'd go a long way before finding anyone here who feels she should be subjected to any type of abuse and I think you know that quite well.

What she doesn't have the right to do is weigh in on every issue she feels like and make blanket statements about Irish society that have no basis in reality and only serve to create the type of divide she claims exists in this country.

She is part of a cadre of people (who going by past interactions on this site, you also belong to) that want everyone seeing far right extremists in our corn flakes every morning.

The truth is that far right extremism is not a real issue in this country, our only political party that fits that description were made a mockery of in our last general election.

You making this into an issue of people not wanting Hazel Chu to defend herself is disingenuous in the extreme.

Nobody feels anyone should be exposed to racist or misogynistic rhetoric and they have every right to defend themselves if and when they are. That is not the issue people have with Hazel Chu and well you know it. Shame on you for attempting to skew the argument in that fashion.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 06-06-2021 08:55AM

There's a huge amount of hate and anger amongst men in the 30s and 40s for Hazel. Her crime. Existing and speaking out loud.

Dinosaurs.

06-06-2021 08:58AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There's a huge amount of hate and anger amongst men in the 30s and 40s for Hazel. Her crime. Existing and speaking out loud.

Dinosaurs.

Men eh?

They're the worst. All their generalisations about sexes....

Wooly mammoths.

06-06-2021 09:00AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There's a huge amount of hate and anger amongst men in the 30s and 40s for Hazel. Her crime. Existing and speaking out loud.

Dinosaurs.

You also spelled "race-baiting" and "playing the victim card" incorrectly.

Sabre Tooth Tigers.

sydthebeat · 06-06-2021 09:01AM

Conduct your own study did you paddy??

TomTomTim · 06-06-2021 10:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Men eh?

They're the worst. All their generalisations about sexes....

Wooly mammoths.

I personally have no issue with generalizations if everyone is allowed to make them, even if some of them are horsehit. Saying that, I remember many posters getting cards on feminism threads for making milder generalisations towards women.

All the same, said poster has likely lived under a few bridges in his time, so the bait should not be taken. Even the serious ones should not annoy us either, as they come from bitter people who deserve our pity.

punisher5112 · 06-06-2021 10:10AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There's a huge amount of hate and anger amongst men in the 30s and 40s for Hazel. Her crime. Existing and speaking out loud.

Dinosaurs.

Sexist remark isn't it.....

Lot of women have no time for her either

TomTomTim · 06-06-2021 10:12AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Sexist remark isn't it.....

Lot of women have no time for her either

None of this matters, stop trying to even justify your position. They don't care. They know what they are doing, and simply want a rise from other posters.

punisher5112 · 06-06-2021 10:14AM

TomTomTim wrote: »

None of this matters, stop trying to even justify your position. They don't care. They know what they are doing, and simply want a rise from other posters.

What have I said wrong

TomTomTim · 06-06-2021 10:15AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

What have I said wrong

Nothing. I'm saying that you're talking to a wall, as they are impervious to reason.

is_that_so · 06-06-2021 10:17AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There's a huge amount of hate and anger amongst men in the 30s and 40s for Hazel. Her crime. Existing and speaking out loud.

Dinosaurs.

She's welcome to do both, but she wants to be taken seriously as well. She's a very average councillor exploiting her position for a variety of agendas and is little more than an empty vessel.

suicide_circus · 06-06-2021 10:24AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

There's a huge amount of hate and anger amongst men in the 30s and 40s for Hazel. Her crime. Existing and speaking out loud.

Dinosaurs.

Have another pint, Losty.

KaneToad · 06-06-2021 10:29AM

There is a world of abuse aimed at Hazel Chu. There are some racists/misogynists in Ireland. She is right to defend herself against them.

She is also the epitome of the self promoting public representative. She's not alone, the majority of those in an elected office are like this. The system encourages this behaviour.

TomTomTim · 06-06-2021 10:58AM

KaneToad wrote: »

There is a world of abuse aimed at Hazel Chu. There are some racists/misogynists in Ireland. She is right to defend herself against them.

She is also the epitome of the self promoting public representative. She's not alone, the majority of those in an elected office are like this. The system encourages this behaviour.

She's the real world equivalent of meme of the feminist throwing **** over a wall and being surprised that it comes back. I'd guess that she'd go completely under the radar if it wasn't for the fact she invokes race and gender at every opportunity. If not one of these "abusers" existed, she'd still be saying the exact same stuff, so please don't try and frame her of as a victim of the system, when she's an aggressor who get aggression thrown back at her.

beakerjoe · 06-06-2021 10:59AM

Shes a terrible politician. Even the Greens see that now.

Yellow_Fern · 06-06-2021 11:37AM

KaneToad wrote: »

There is a world of abuse aimed at Hazel Chu. There are some racists/misogynists in Ireland. She is right to defend herself against them.

She is also the epitome of the self promoting public representative. She's not alone, the majority of those in an elected office are like this. The system encourages this behaviour.

There are horrible people online. But they affect everyone. One straight white male minister was harassed online and some linked it to his suicide a few years ago. The problem is shehad madeit her raison d'être. There is something very alluring being the victim and she is mining it.

Beechwoodspark · 06-06-2021 11:41AM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Shes a terrible politician. Even the Greens see that now.

In all seriousness I’d say Chu has lost a significant amount of support and trust within the Greens for her Seanad Carry on

Marcos · 06-06-2021 11:50AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Chu will be a Soc Dem before the summer is out.

Her real party is Mé Féinn.

beakerjoe · 06-06-2021 11:51AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

In all seriousness I’d say Chu has lost a significant amount of support and trust within the Greens for her Seanad Carry on

Her victim act is wearing thin at this stage and she has very little else to keep herself relevant. Maybe if she spent less time race baiting and less time being a selfish selfserving elected representive and d more time being a hard working elevted official Id have more respect for her.

Working class heroes · 06-06-2021 11:53AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

I have no hatred for Hazel Chu as I don't know her personally despite what my stalking troll posted in this thread. I do however have a strong dislike for her and her other Green party colleagues - Catherine Martin, Neasa Hourigan and Roderic O'Gorman, as I feel that they are driving away many people - myself included - who would always have voted Green in the past.

The sooner there's a spilt in the Greens the happier I'll be - Hazel Chu and Catherine Martin off to FG and the other two off anywhere, just out of the Green Party ASAP.

Ah, so as long as they are white, middle aged heterosexual males it fine then.
Gotcha...

suicide_circus · 06-06-2021 11:53AM

She got more public toilets for Dublin CC in fairness to her, albeit a little late, the place has absolutely reeked of piss.

Tell me how · 06-06-2021 12:21PM

nullzero wrote: »

She has every right to defend herself and I think you'd go a long way before finding anyone here who feels she should be subjected to any type of abuse and I think you know that quite well.

What she doesn't have the right to do is weigh in on every issue she feels like and make blanket statements about Irish society that have no basis in reality and only serve to create the type of divide she claims exists in this country.

She is part of a cadre of people (who going by past interactions on this site, you also belong to) that want everyone seeing far right extremists in our corn flakes every morning.

The truth is that far right extremism is not a real issue in this country, our only political party that fits that description were made a mockery of in our last general election.

You making this into an issue of people not wanting Hazel Chu to defend herself is disingenuous in the extreme.

Nobody feels anyone should be exposed to racist or misogynistic rhetoric and they have every right to defend themselves if and when they are. That is not the issue people have with Hazel Chu and well you know it. Shame on you for attempting to skew the argument in that fashion.

So it's only the people who you agree with and Hazel, and myself apparently should STFU?
To use a similar acronym GTFO.

Is me asking a single question pointing out some facts of this situation making it an issue? Is this an invite only thread or something? Do you feel triggered?

You are right, the far right is not a real issue in this country, they are a pathetic crowd of degnerates for the most part, but they and people who loosely give credence to their position through soft and tacit agreement with some of their points in what they think is a more acceptable tone have been growing more vocal over the last couple of years and should be called out for what they are.

And if you think that an educated woman who holds a public office does not have the right to weigh in on what issue she sees fit while anonymous accounts can start thread after thread on them, then I've got news for you.

Dublin Lord Mayor Hazel Chu to stand as Independent in Seanad elections

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