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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #3602
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    No all in together! There won’t be many if any discharges over the BH but we should see more drops next week all going well!

    Probably do a big sweep out tomorrow and that will be it till Tuesday .


  • #3603
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I don't think the public will ever forget your sacrifices.
    Many of them already have..


  • #3604
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I can't even imagine how something simple like bloods work. Lab have to print out the results and it be physically delivered to the consultant?
    I know from being in hospital the nurses always write temps/stats in your file, but I assume that's just for handing off from shift to shift. It's the stuff entered on the computers, scans/results/bloods/patient history etc... that's the important stuff.

    People always complained there was too much paperwork too old fashioned in the health system. I guess that's not strictly the case.
    Hopefully they all come back up soon, lord knows HCW's have had a bloody rough 15 months!

    Every hospital has a different system.

    Where I work, samples come in, they get a dummy generic barcode. Samples have to be centrifuged, put on the analsyer, manually type in patients name, hospital number and ward. Tell the analsyer what tests to process on each sample. Print off 2 copies of results. Check all results are valid, remove the ones that had interferences, ring the critical results.

    Retain one copy in a filing cabinet attached to the original request form filed by day in alphabetical order by surname. The 2nd copy is placed in envelopes labelled with the ward. Runners come once an hour to deliver the envelopes to the wards to be placed in patients files. They do this 24/7.

    We had extra staff on at nights and weekends with no notice. People who came off the on call rota due to medical reasons had to do nights because there was no one else to do it.

    The phones rang off the hook all day with wards looking for results. Some forms had the wrong ward on them. Some had no location on them so the results had to go to bed management dept to see where the patient was. This delayed results getting back.

    This week as we have regained some systems, many people have the long, tedious job of inputting all that data back onto the system from those paper copies.

    Then problems arise. People were assigned hospital numbers that were actually already assigned to other patients, so now you risk 2 sets of patient data being under one file. Patients DOB don't match on the request forms and samples because somewhere along the line, a human error transcribed it wrong. Hospital numbers differ by the odd digit and that's a completely different patient.

    The cyber attack is obviously completely different to the covid crisis in many ways but this has been an utter disaster. It has crippled every hospital.

    Edit
    Rte tweeted an insight. Another critical part of diagnostics, Radiography also set back 40 years with the work they could carry out.
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1400503873635328015?s=19


  • #3605
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Every hospital has a different system.

    Where I work, samples come in, they get a dummy generic barcode. Samples have to be centrifuged, put on the analsyer, manually type in patients name, hospital number and ward. Tell the analsyer what tests to process on each sample. Print off 2 copies of results. Check all results are valid, remove the ones that had interferences, ring the critical results.

    Retain one copy in a filing cabinet attached to the original request form filed by day in alphabetical order by surname. The 2nd copy is placed in envelopes labelled with the ward. Runners come once an hour to deliver the envelopes to the wards to be placed in patients files. They do this 24/7.

    We had extra staff on at nights and weekends with no notice. People who came off the on call rota due to medical reasons had to do nights because there was no one else to do it.

    The phones rang off the hook all day with wards looking for results. Some forms had the wrong ward on them. Some had no location on them so the results had to go to bed management dept to see where the patient was. This delayed results getting back.

    This week as we have regained some systems, many people have the long, tedious job of inputting all that data back onto the system from those paper copies.

    Then problems arise. People were assigned hospital numbers that were actually already assigned to other patients, so now you risk 2 sets of patient data being under one file. Patients DOB don't match on the request forms and samples because somewhere along the line, a human error transcribed it wrong. Hospital numbers differ by the odd digit and that's a completely different patient.

    The cyber attack is obviously completely different to the covid crisis in many ways but this has been an utter disaster. It has crippled every hospital.

    Edit
    Rte tweeted an insight. Another critical part of diagnostics, Radiography also set back 40 years with the work they could carry out.
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1400503873635328015?s=19
    Thanks for the brief summary of how it's impacted you in the lab. We only really hear about delays on people getting scans etc... we dont really hear about the extra workload and stress on the staff.

    It's one thing printing off the results rather than the consultant being able to access it directly, and having runners to distribute it. But once handwriting details come into the equations, that's when things slow right down and mistakes can be made. Is it a 1 or 7, 0 or O etc...

    For everything the health system has gone through these past 15 months, it;s hard to imagine it will ever recover. But I'm hopeful it will be rebuilt back stronger. Wishful thinking maybe, but if we've ever need to change it, it's now and not sometime in the future etc...

    But a thanks for all your posts. it was really insightful getting all the testing explained, CT values, your opinion on antigen tests etc...
    We were all frustrated with lack of testing a year ago, it barely gets a mention now. You all ramped up massively that the talk of German testing capacity became redundant! It's easy to forget people like yourselves in this pandemic!
    I certainly wouldn't be holding positive swabs without a ****ing hazmat suit on!


  • #3606
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The sensationalist headline here may be right. Certainly not a path you'd like to see any country take.
    Prosecutors in Camden, New Jersey, charged a home health aide accused of inadvertently exposing an elderly patient to Covid-19 early in the pandemic in what appears to be the only case of its kind. The patient, an 80-year-old woman, died of the illness in May last year.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/04/new-jersey-josefina-brito-fernandez-home-health-aide-covid


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  • #3607
    [Deleted User]
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    Arghus wrote: »
    In fairness, he was responding to a point that made literally no sense.
    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Actually Eskimo, humour us, care to explain your logic? I'd love to know.

    Yes, I will.

    A previous poster discussed the methods that some cities/states are using to encourage vaccination rates - such as a lottery-style approach where people can win vast sums of money.

    It was then asked what would drive vaccination rates through the roof here.

    And my tongue-in-cheek suggestion was that, if the population was told that Holohan would be fired / NPHET abolished if vaccination rates reached 90%, then vaccination rates would then go through the roof.


  • #3608
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,015 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Well in a shocking turn of events it seems more public toilets hasn't solved the drink problem some youths have.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-make-arrests-disperse-large-24253963.amp


  • #3609
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    And some more bright ideas from business groups!
    A Dublin business group is calling for the grounds of Dublin Castle to be made available for outdoor drinkers this weekend to alleviate pressure on the city streets.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/business-group-calls-for-dublin-castle-grounds-to-open-for-street-drinkers-1.4584770


  • #3610
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well in a shocking turn of events it seems more public toilets hasn't solved the drink problem some youths have.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-make-arrests-disperse-large-24253963.amp

    It’s all a bit confusing. Did they not install loads of toilets to encourage crowds and outdoor drinking. If not what are they for.


  • #3611
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭prunudo


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well in a shocking turn of events it seems more public toilets hasn't solved the drink problem some youths have.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-make-arrests-disperse-large-24253963.amp

    There is a minority of trouble makers who go out of their way to provoke the gardai. They'll use peaceful protests or other gatherings to blend in and then rile up the gardai. And yes, unfortunately drink has been taken, but it doesn't mean the majority can't behave and drink responsibly outdoors.


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  • #3612
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, I will.

    A previous poster discussed the methods that some cities/states are using to encourage vaccination rates - such as a lottery-style approach where people can win vast sums of money.

    It was then asked what would drive vaccination rates through the roof here.

    And my tongue-in-cheek suggestion was that, if the population was told that Holohan would be fired / NPHET abolished if vaccination rates reached 90%, then vaccination rates would then go through the roof.

    Thanks, I highly doubt that and we won't be far off that stat when all is said and done.


  • #3613
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Just to pre-empt NPHET as case numbers naturally rise as society unlocks (who will no doubt push for delays to re-opening based on case numbers alone), here is Professor Tim Spectre discussing the need to not panic over rising case numbers in the UK due to the Indian variant (I refuse to use the PC Greek nomenclature imposed by the WHO, not least because if you know where a variant comes from, you can ban travel / discourage travel etc.).

    So yes, case numbers will rise as society unlocks here, too - and only those who have chosen not to take a vaccine will be at risk, but that is their own choice and we - and Holohan - must respect that. Young people are almost never going to be hospitalized / die, from this virus. As case numbers rise to very high figures, society shouldn't panic. The problem is when the media, especially RTE, and NPHET start their usual movements to terrify the population again.

    This time, there must be overwhelming public pressure on politicians not to give in to NPHET or further delays, but to accept the risk that comes with the virus now that almost all at-risk individuals have been vaccinated.



  • #3614
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    Just to pre-empt NPHET as case numbers naturally rise as society unlocks (who will no doubt push for delays to re-opening based on case numbers alone), here is Professor Tim Spectre discussing the need to not panic over rising case numbers in the UK due to the Indian variant (I refuse to use the PC Greek nomenclature imposed by the WHO, not least because if you know where a variant comes from, you can ban travel / discourage travel etc.).

    So yes, case numbers will rise as society unlocks here, too - and only those who have chosen not to take a vaccine will be at risk, but that is their own choice and we - and Holohan - must respect that. Young people are almost never going to be hospitalized / die, from this virus. As case numbers rise to very high figures, society shouldn't panic. The problem is when the media, especially RTE, and NPHET start their usual movements to terrify the population again.

    This time, there must be overwhelming public pressure on politicians not to give in to NPHET or further delays, but to accept the risk that comes with the virus now that almost all at-risk individuals have been vaccinated.


    True, but the fact that only adults are offered that vaccine means that not everyone who wants a vaccine will be offered it. A large proportion of the population will not be offered the vaccine which means that herd immunity through vaccination is not possible this year.

    Yes the young people are generally not high risk but this does significantly complicate things.


  • #3615
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,503 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    prunudo wrote:
    There is a minority of trouble makers who go out of their way to provoke the gardai. They'll use peaceful protests or other gatherings to blend in and then rile up the gardai. And yes, unfortunately drink has been taken, but it doesn't mean the majority can't behave and drink responsibly outdoors.
    Very true.
    The problems lie in the Justice and law and order areas.
    Nobody wants to arrest these people, bring them to court and jail them.
    Instead we all get punished by having some of our civil liberties taken away to try and prevent these things happening.


  • #3616
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    jackboy wrote: »
    True, but the fact that only adults are offered that vaccine means that not everyone who wants a vaccine will be offered it. A large proportion of the population will not be offered the vaccine which means that herd immunity through vaccination is not possible this year.

    Yes the young people are generally not high risk but this does significantly complicate things.

    Grasping at straws there, I don't see the complication if higher risk are vaccinated, in fact the more cases in young people now will mean more have immunity.


  • #3617
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    jackboy wrote: »
    True, but the fact that only adults are offered that vaccine means that not everyone who wants a vaccine will be offered it. A large proportion of the population will not be offered the vaccine which means that herd immunity through vaccination is not possible this year.

    Yes the young people are generally not high risk but this does significantly complicate things.

    Richard Chambers released a very powerful graph several days ago and, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.

    It shows how far along with the vaccination program we have come, and how this irreversible progress should - if the political will exists - allow society to reopen without further delay.

    It also puts into stark focus your concerns and how things really aren't as bad as you have perhaps understandably made out.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1400446719876206595


  • #3618
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    Richard Chambers released a very powerful graph several days ago and, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.

    It shows how far along with the vaccination program we have come, and how this irreversible progress should - if the political will exists - allow society to reopen without further delay.

    It also puts into stark focus your concerns and how things really aren't as bad as you have perhaps understandably made out.

    I don’t think things are very bad but it is true that there will be no herd immunity this year. There will be a few twists to the story yet.


  • #3619
    [Deleted User]
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    jackboy wrote: »
    I don’t think things are very bad but it is true that there will be no herd immunity this year. There will be a few twists to the story yet.

    I'd like to know what the estimated immunity levels in the population is / and will be in the coming weeks.

    Vaccine immunity + estimated community immunity = ???

    It's a simple formula. NPHET should release this information for public consumption.


  • #3620
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Covid app seems to be updating hospital numbers and case numbers but not vaccines. At least it’s a start


  • #3621
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    I'd like to know what the estimated immunity levels in the population is / and will be in the coming weeks.

    Vaccine immunity + estimated community immunity = ???

    It's a simple formula. NPHET should release this information for public consumption.

    It's not hard to work out yourself but gets complicated by levels of immunity.

    If you take immunity to be after both doses then including an assumption of continued immunity among those that contracted the virus, plus no overlap between the groups, we are at 15.5% of the population.
    If you take fist doses to provide immunity the figure is 43.6%. (As of mid May as the data hub isn't updated)

    But it's important to note that vaccines don't automatically equate to full immunity and there would be considerable double counting in reality.

    If you have the vaccination figure, you have the infection figures, you can easily work out the percentages.


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  • #3622
    [Deleted User]
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It's not hard to work out yourself but gets complicated by levels of immunity.

    If you take immunity to be after both doses then including an assumption of continued immunity among those that contracted the virus, plus no overlap between the groups, we are at 15.5% of the population.
    If you take fist doses to provide immunity the figure is 43.6%. (As of mid May as the data hub isn't updated)

    But it's important to note that vaccines don't automatically equate to full immunity and there would be considerable double counting in reality.

    If you have the vaccination figure, you have the infection figures, you can easily work out the percentages.

    Depends on the vaccine administered, and the time delay too; and what NPHET have deemed to be the likely community spread / asymptomatics / close contacts most likely to have been positive but didn't get tested.

    Pfizer, for example, tend to allow 11-days before antibody levels start to be developed at a more rapid rate.

    So yes, we could arrive at a ball-park figure but I'm sure the number crunchers in NPHET could reel off a far more exact figure.


  • #3623
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    Richard Chambers released a very powerful graph several days ago and, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.

    It shows how far along with the vaccination program we have come, and how this irreversible progress should - if the political will exists - allow society to reopen without further delay.

    It also puts into stark focus your concerns and how things really aren't as bad as you have perhaps understandably made out.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1400446719876206595


    96% of 70-80 year olds and 99% of 80+ year olds had the first dose. I hope those are the true values and not with caveats, if they are that must be one of the highest takeups in the world.


  • #3624
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    416 new cases.

    The number of people in hospital stands at 74, with 29 in ICU, which is up one on yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1401178649055969283


  • #3625
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Let's predict the headlines next Thursday as post Bank Holiday cyclical quirks show

    Covid hospitalizations surge by 50% as fear of 4th wave grows

    Covid surge as hospitalizations grow exponentially


  • #3626
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Delta variant aids 4th wave surge as travel plans for 19th July are thrown into doubt


  • #3627
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,839 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    How many variants will we likely see?


  • #3628
    [Deleted User]
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    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    Let's predict the headlines next Thursday as post Bank Holiday cyclical quirks show

    Undercover footage exposes NPHET binge in Grogan's basement.
    • Holohan claims he was only there to pick-up a friend from work.


  • #3629
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,435 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Richard Chambers released a very powerful graph several days ago and, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.

    It shows how far along with the vaccination program we have come, and how this irreversible progress should - if the political will exists - allow society to reopen without further delay.

    They need to sort out the high risk population first ie cohort 4 and 7.

    Telling his graph doesnt even list them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #3630
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    How many variants will we likely see?

    That depends. But largely if we complete vaccinations worldwide then the frequency of variants will reduce.

    "As more people get vaccinated, we expect virus circulation to decrease, which will then lead to fewer mutations."

    https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-effects-of-virus-variants-on-covid-19-vaccines

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLvY210yQkE


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  • #3631
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Heathdata.org is trying to produce more accurate estimates of the actual number of deaths caused by COVID-19.

    They estimate, for example, that rather than the 3.7 million deaths reported - the true figure is more likely around 8 million.

    Their current projection is that this will reach approx. 9.3 million by 1 September.

    I think it's reasonable to assume that reported deaths are massively undercounted given the unreliability of data from many countries around the world. India, for instance, is thought to have mortality from the virus 3-5 times higher (currently reported death is 344,000).


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