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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #3512
    mollser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭mollser


    I'm sure its been done to death already, but honestly the governments / NPHET's absolute refusal to embrace antigen testing really needs to be investigated and properly assessed.

    Catherine Martin was on Newstalk this morning talking about the safety procedures at the trial events - we have masks, social distancing and hand washing so no need for antigen testing she says, they are only used in other countries to 'collect scientific data'. Ciara Kelly rightly pressed her hard, saying they are used to prevent infectious people attending the event, and like actually spreading covid, and we're missing a serious tool here. Catherine outright dismissed, they're just used for collecting scientific data.

    What actually is it that they refuse to entertain the antigen testing? It's beyond incompetence at this stage, it undermines actually everything they do and say imo


  • #3513
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mollser wrote: »
    I'm sure its been done to death already, but honestly the governments / NPHET's absolute refusal to embrace antigen testing really needs to be investigated and properly assessed.

    Catherine Martin was on Newstalk this morning talking about the safety procedures at the trial events - we have masks, social distancing and hand washing so no need for antigen testing she says, they are only used in other countries to 'collect scientific data'. Ciara Kelly rightly pressed her hard, saying they are used to prevent infectious people attending the event, and like actually spreading covid, and we're missing a serious tool here. Catherine outright dismissed, they're just used for collecting scientific data.

    What actually is it that they refuse to entertain the antigen testing? It's beyond incompetence at this stage, it undermines actually everything they do and say imo
    It's NPHET and they are not completely against them. They are saying that they are best used in very controlled environments and with limited numbers. The likes of university campuses and schools are potential targets.


  • #3514
    mollser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭mollser


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's NPHET and they are not completely against them. They are saying that they are best used in very controlled environments and with limited numbers. The likes of university campuses and schools are potential targets.

    But they haven't approved them for use in either of those settings, or any other setting. If there's a tool that can prevent an infectious person entering a crowded event, then it should be used. There's either something nefourous going on or its sheer incompetence.

    Regarding the JVM gig, I'm not sure what the point of holding a concert where everyone has to stay within a socially bubble - of course that will minimise the risk, but it's utterly pointless because its a trial for... nothing really, concerts won't work like that going forward!


  • #3515
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mollser wrote: »
    But they haven't approved them for use in either of those settings, or any other setting. If there's a tool that can prevent an infectious person entering a crowded event, then it should be used. There's either something nefarious going on or its sheer incompetence.

    Regarding the JVM gig, I'm not sure what the point of holding a concert where everyone has to stay within a socially bubble - of course that will minimise the risk, but it's utterly pointless because its a trial for... nothing really, concerts won't work like that going forward!

    Definitely not nefarious! I am also not sure it's true. Here's a report from March based on the task force which looked into them.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/antigen-testing-5396967-Mar2021/

    NPHET view them as a possible tool but how they might fit in or be used into the medium term has not been fully resolved.


  • #3516
    rahmalec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭rahmalec


    I work in the cultural sector and, although I don't know much about these trial events, I do know that antigen testing use is pretty widespread in the sector. Nobody wants an outbreak because it would basically shut down the whole sector even more. I know for example (as I am involved in), that Cork Midsummer Festival is requiring any acts that have any indoor elements (like rehearsals, etc), that antigen testing is done (I don't know how frequent though).

    I was also part of some recordings in March and April that were done for broadcast and for one of those, was tested 2 times as well as a pcr test (we also had to wear those kn95 masks at all times, keep distance, no congregating, etc). So it is taken seriously.

    I think it's crazy to not test audience members for these trial events. It's a way forward for this industry, at least in the medium term.


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  • #3517
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Circle K apparently are planning to sell a 15m antigen test, Colm Henry has a view of it!
    The HSE’s chief clinical officer, Dr Colm Henry has expressed concern about the accuracy of antigen tests due to be sold at petrol stations.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/antigen-test-accuracy-rate-does-not-sound-right-says-hse-clinical-lead-1.4584286


  • #3518
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Circle K apparently are planning to sell a 15m antigen test, Colm Henry has a view of it!



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/antigen-test-accuracy-rate-does-not-sound-right-says-hse-clinical-lead-1.4584286

    A 97.6% accuracy rate doesn't sound right though.


  • #3519
    mollser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭mollser


    That's a great post rahmalec - great to hear - its great to see certain industries being pro-active on this and doing what's best for them to keep them going and safe. We seem to be total outliers in the international community when it comes to antigen testing, it's bizarre! To say they aren't as accurate as PCR testing is completely missing the point. Everyone, like, everyone know's that, but also know's when they're appropriate to be used as an additional precautionary measure.

    It's like they're afraid to back track now in case somebody queries why they weren't more widely deployed last autumn for certain healthcare settings.

    They really are out to rubbish antigen testing at every turn, it's like a PCR cult! Catherine Martin's wishy washy dismissal of them this morning was really embarrassing and the icing on the cake for me.


  • #3520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mollser wrote: »
    That's a great post rahmalec - great to hear - its great to see certain industries being pro-active on this and doing what's best for them to keep them going and safe. We seem to be total outliers in the international community when it comes to antigen testing, it's bizarre! To say they aren't as accurate as PCR testing is completely missing the point. Everyone, like, everyone know's that, but also know's when they're appropriate to be used as an additional precautionary measure.

    It's not bizarre when you appreciate that Ireland is obsessed with "just seeing to be doing something"; an overly bureaucratic monster that eats regulations for breakfast.


  • #3521
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Tommy Tiernan, Hector Ó hEochagáin and Laurita Blewitt have been doing antigen testing since September 2020, to get together for their weekly podcast and they've been grand throughout. I'd say the tests are rampant across the country.


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  • #3522
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    rahmalec wrote: »
    I work in the cultural sector and, although I don't know much about these trial events, I do know that antigen testing use is pretty widespread in the sector. Nobody wants an outbreak because it would basically shut down the whole sector even more. I know for example (as I am involved in), that Cork Midsummer Festival is requiring any acts that have any indoor elements (like rehearsals, etc), that antigen testing is done (I don't know how frequent though).

    I was also part of some recordings in March and April that were done for broadcast and for one of those, was tested 2 times as well as a pcr test (we also had to wear those kn95 masks at all times, keep distance, no congregating, etc). So it is taken seriously.

    I think it's crazy to not test audience members for these trial events. It's a way forward for this industry, at least in the medium term.

    My daughter works in the film industry in the UK and they are using anti gen testing for months now and have been safe and secure knowing this


  • #3523
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,228 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    I haven't seen one antigen test kit for sale anywhere

    All for quick testing for places


  • #3524
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    PTH2009 wrote:
    I haven't seen one antigen test kit for sale anywhere


    How hard did you look?


  • #3525
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    They have loads in Lidl. You'll probably have to ask for them at the tills though so you won't see them on the shop floor (that was the case in my local Lidl anyway)


  • #3526
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    On sale in most pharmacies.


  • #3527
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    Any whispers of us removing Portugal from the safe list like the UK?


  • #3528
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Circle K apparently are planning to sell a 15m antigen test, Colm Henry has a view of it!



    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/antigen-test-accuracy-rate-does-not-sound-right-says-hse-clinical-lead-1.4584286

    Found it interesting how he described the PCR test as “our gold standard PCR test”. Almost comes across as defensive towards the antigen tests because they’re being sold privately and not by ‘them’.


  • #3529
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Deleted User wrote:
    Found it interesting how he described the PCR test as “our gold standard PCR testâ€. Almost comes across as defensive towards the antigen tests because they’re being sold privately and not by ‘them’.

    Are you inferring that NPHET are making money from the PCR tests?


  • #3530
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Found it interesting how he described the PCR test as “our gold standard PCR test”. Almost comes across as defensive towards the antigen tests because they’re being sold privately and not by ‘them’.
    It's more what the CMO said, in his Lidl reflection, that people reaching conclusions that might not be true and putting themselves in situations where they could be at risk of catching COVID.


  • #3531
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's more what the CMO said, in his Lidl reflection, that people reaching conclusions that might not be true and putting themselves in situations where they could be at risk of catching COVID.

    They would have been going to these situations anyway ? These tests can only help . Even if only 6 out of 10 are done correctly


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  • #3532
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    First Up wrote: »
    Are you inferring that NPHET are making money from the PCR tests?

    No, absolutely not, but I don’t get the defensiveness of it. I know the 97.6% claim is pie in the sky but still the reaction just seems overly defensive. Wonder if it’s because it’s circle k and Lidl selling them, is there an assumption they’re poor quality.


  • #3533
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, absolutely not, but I don’t get the defensiveness of it. I know the 97.6% claim is pie in the sky but still the reaction just seems overly defensive. Wonder if it’s because it’s circle k and Lidl selling them, is there an assumption they’re poor quality.

    My take on it.
    The accuracy of them are when performed by a trained professional I assume not by someone doing it to themselves.

    They don't want people doing it and getting a negative result and assuming they did it right even though they probably haven't been trained on how to do it and going about their business.


  • #3534
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, absolutely not, but I don’t get the defensiveness of it. I know the 97.6% claim is pie in the sky but still the reaction just seems overly defensive. Wonder if it’s because it’s circle k and Lidl selling them, is there an assumption they’re poor quality.

    The Case numbers are the stick that is used to beat us, they can't be losing grip on that, no reason why for instance this weekend, the pubs could open with RAT and a temperature check on the way in...no reason whatsoever.


  • #3535
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    The Case numbers are the stick that is used to beat us, they can't be losing grip on that, no reason why for instance this weekend, the pubs could open with RAT and a temperature check on the way in...no reason whatsoever.

    Large scale use of antigen tests would increase the case numbers, as the proper response to a positive antigen test is to get a confirmatory pcr test, not least because to get the Covid sick pay you will need one. Also each additional positive found would be contact traced finding even more. So whatever the reason, having scary case numbers is not the reason for reluctance in promoting widescale use of hone antigen tests.


  • #3536
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Large scale use of antigen tests would increase the case numbers, as the proper response to a positive antigen test is to get a confirmatory pcr test, not least because to get the Covid sick pay you will need one. Also each additional positive found would be contact traced finding even more. So whatever the reason, having scary case numbers is not the reason for reluctance in promoting widescale use of hone antigen tests.

    Proper according to who? The people who want us to take PCR tests?

    Look I get the logic...I just don't agree with the logic, this time last year, perhaps, but this year we have a chance to press on with re openings and hopefully get some of the masses off the support payments...we've taken more people out of work than anywhere else I can see? Maybe I am wrong, maybe somewhere else has a higher unemployment rate than we do but I can't find it.


  • #3537
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    These tests can only help . Even if only 6 out of 10 are done correctly
    Exactly - instead of wasting all these resources testing people, why don't we just toss a coin to decide who the infected people are?


  • #3538
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    529 cases today


  • #3539
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭corkie


    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1400845421203886090

    As of midnight, Thursday 3 June, we are reporting
    529* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    28 in ICU. 86 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update.




    Edit: - This is the highest number of daily cases reported since Thursday, May 20 when there were 524 new infections.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • #3540
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    my sisters been using an antigen test twice a week for several months - works for the NHS test provided by the NHS self administered.

    no idea what the resistance is (although it reduces there test figures so potentially increases their positivity rate??????????

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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  • #3541
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ednwireland wrote: »
    my sisters been using an antigen test twice a week for several months - works for the NHS test provided by the NHS self administered.

    no idea what the resistance is (although it reduces there test figures so potentially increases their positivity rate??????????
    Might just be that NHS bit of it and very different to Darren trying to spit on it so he can go to a party!


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