Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 05:48PM

gozunda wrote: »

Yes the 'surge' you kept referring to in previous
comments. That's not my "theory" btw. It was your theory that any increase would automatically show up as some big surge. And frankly that does not stand up to scrutiny

But I see you disagree with the CMO and other health experts advice? Well that's your perogative but making out to be an expert from reading some stuff on the Internet doesn't really wash either tbh.

But more importantly and as detailed we know that such unmanaged/ crowded / close contact
/ face to face / extended socialising is a risk and yes that includes outdoors. Were not talking ordinary outdoor activities such as meeting up with a group of friends or walking your dog btw or even organised concerts with restrictions etc .
Google all of that if you are in any doubt.

Haha hair splitting ok. Blame autocorrect if you like. But yes you hilariously accused me of not reading the IT article when I detailed the bit visible on the link despite the firewall. You also quoted the Irish study referenced in that link in another comment- even though its completely irrelevant

Tell me how many of those studies were unmanaged social street gatherings involving alcohol ? Less than zero?

See above. And btw - do you honestly believe that singularly you are right and the CMO and other health experts are wrong just becausyou've e read some studies with no relevance to the gathering under discussion?

Perhaps everyone who views the scenes in DCC as a feking disgrace are gulty of "hysteria" and "overreaction"? If so that says more about subject bias than anything else tbh

It doesn't though, no matter how many times you say it.

The only real surge we had since the start was Christmas when it was all indoors.

We've even had ~1 million in schools and no surge.

There was minimal risk with what happened last Saturday night.

The actual risk would be the downstream affect of loads of people coming and going on public transport. This is the reason crowds were not allowed attend sporting events, they are travelling for hours in cars and meeting people from other parts of the country, staying in their houses etc.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 06:13PM

Amirani wrote: »

You clearly don't seem to know what "a few square KMs" means.

"Spans numerous counties" isn't it...

Why did you leave out the next sentence?

Here is one part of it.

Where everyone congregates in the likes of Dingle is just a few square kilometres.

Somehow consuming and bringing your rubbish home is absurd in this new upside world.

Strange times.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 06:15PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Here is one for you, and there was one in salthill last month.

Stop pretending that large crowds gather at beaches and bring everything home.

https://extra.ie/2020/08/03/news/irish-news/kilkee-residents-underage-party

We back to playing things no one said?

normanoffside · 31-05-2021 06:28PM

Nice ad for the outdoor summer in Dublin

https://twitter.com/Mr_LukeBenson/status/1399408133127147524

Stormyteacup · 31-05-2021 06:29PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well Owen I think you may have missed the point there. There is no data from that event (as of yet) . But like most of that type of shenanigans its one reason why we likley have a constant background of relatively high case numbers and that despite the ongoing programme of vaccinations etc

But ah I see even more amazing things never said or do you mean you live in somewhere that has strict curfews to stop that kinda thing?

Fair play ...

But the key point is steady numbers of cases. The effect of vaccination reducing transmission is still being evaluated and it may be the case that more need to be vaccinated before we might expect to a see a measurable reduction in transmission through vaccines alone. It’s doing it’s job with ICU and deaths, which is good enough for now.

In reality if there was that much danger from outdoor gatherings, why did we not see a spike from previous mass outdoor gatherings?

You seem to be saying that even if there’s no spikes in infections following outdoor gatherings that’s not evidence for them being safe, instead it’s that infections resulting from them are absorbed into daily numbers to keep them steady.

Even if that’s the case then surely we can live with those steady numbers that have remained unaffected by retail, schools, construction, removal of distance limits, and shenanigans inside and outside.

Unless of course you want zero cases?

Ballynally · 31-05-2021 06:45PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

But the key point is steady numbers of cases. The effect of vaccination reducing transmission is still being evaluated and it may be the case that more need to be vaccinated before we might expect to a see a measurable reduction in transmission through vaccines alone. It’s doing it’s job with ICU and deaths, which is good enough for now.

In reality if there was that much danger from outdoor gatherings, why did we not see a spike from previous mass outdoor gatherings?

You seem to be saying that even if there’s no spikes in infections following outdoor gatherings that’s not evidence for them being safe, instead it’s that infections resulting from them are absorbed into daily numbers to keep them steady.

Even if that’s the case then surely we can live with those steady numbers that have remained unaffected by retail, schools, construction, removal of distance limits, and shenanigans inside and outside.

Unless of course you want zero cases?

Yes, the case about the spread of close contact infections in outdoor settings is not more than an assumption without data.
Even though absense of evidence is not evidence of absense it hangs by a thin thread.
If you look at it in terms of % of infections, an educated guess could be 1 in 100 outdoors. I would say no more than 5 in 100.
Think of all the people travelling and meeting indoors without proper ventilation and a build up of viral load compared to the amount of unsafe outdoor gatherings without ventilation.If people are really worried about those type of outdoor gatherings they should advocate for overall restrictions, closing the country down and never let people gather indoors until SarsCov2 is gone.

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 06:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

We back to playing things no one said?

So you agree people gather at beaches and leave loads of rubbish.

No idea what kind of point you are trying to make at this stage.

jakiah · 31-05-2021 06:54PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

So you agree people gather at beaches and leave loads of rubbish.

No idea what kind of point you are trying to make at this stage.

You are wasting your time, the centre of Dingle is the Wild Atlantic Way, it had tens of thousands of people in it last Saturday and they all took their rubbish home. #confidentlyincorrect

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 06:59PM

However, Minister of State for Sport and the Gaeltacht Jack Chambers said shutting down public spaces could result in a more “excessive risk” to public health if people moved indoors to private houses.

...

As I said earlier, gardai should be dealing with indoor gatherings rather than holohans outrage.

The failure is all Tony's on this one.

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 07:02PM

jakiah wrote: »

You are wasting your time, the centre of Dingle is the Wild Atlantic Way, it had tens of thousands of people in it last Saturday and they all took their rubbish home. #confidentlyincorrect

Google "Dingle litter" lol

Calhoun · 31-05-2021 07:07PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice ad for the outdoor summer in Dublin

https://twitter.com/Mr_LukeBenson/status/1399408133127147524

Amazing lol

its all kicking off at the moment due to the DCC/Clare Byrne interview.

Darragh has had to come out and slap DCC on the wrist. They really need to make sure something is being done and move away from the backward mindset of it will attract more ****.

As for Gardai focused on indoor gatherings, they are the Gardai and not Gestpo so highly unlikely anything will be done.

Ballynally · 31-05-2021 07:48PM

letigofrozen wrote: »

The daily risk of infection right now is 0.009% or 99.991% you won't get infected today, the risk of your outdoor infection is at minimum 10 fold off.

If people are infectious for 2 weeks there are only 6000 or so people in the country right now that can infect you and as we know only 20% or so of the pcr confirmed cases can actually spread infection, it's more like 1200 people that can infect you right now

Chances of meeting those 1200 people out of the 5,000,000 in the country is 99.976% you won't meet that person.

Risk of exposure and actually getting infected right now is very very low and outside infection lottery odds

Yes, of course the numbers are so low it really is a moot point worrying about chances of getting infected. They have always been quite low even in the 2 major spikes. The fear was always related to the percentage of growth in infections, hospitalisations. I mean, many have actually crunched the numbers, like myself, being of good health and concluded that the risk of getting infected was small, especially w a few precautions taken, and an even lower risk to end up in hospital or dying. But i mainly adhered to guidelines.
That fear is now so entrenched in people's psyche that it is hard to lower it.
The government certainly wants you to keep it up.
It is doing some considerable damage. Especially to those who take the general news at face value. The ones who are wearing masks outside that go in a wide bow around you on the pavement. Poor souls.
Luckily the sun is out. I am not going to let anybody rain on my parade..

Boggles · 31-05-2021 07:51PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

So you agree people gather at beaches and leave loads of rubbish.

I never disagreed.

Maybe read my posts in context, they are concise and to the point. No excuse for confusion.

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 08:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

I never disagreed.

Maybe read my posts in context, they are concise and to the point. No excuse for confusion.

If they were consise people would get your point. Lots of people queried your effort, what appears concise and to the point to you is vague and ambiguous to everybody else.

gozunda · 31-05-2021 08:18PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

It doesn't though, no matter how many times you say it.The only real surge we had since the start was Christmas when it was all indoors.We've even had ~1 million in schools and no surge.There was minimal risk with what happened last Saturday night.The actual risk would be the downstream affect of loads of people coming and going on public transport. This is the reason crowds were not allowed attend sporting events, they are travelling for hours in cars and meeting people from other parts of the country, staying in their houses etc.

I think you're a bit mixed up there btw

I didnt "say it". Its the other fella on about "surges"

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 08:27PM

gozunda wrote: »

I think you're a bit mixed up there btw

I didnt "say it". Its the other fella on about "surges"

So you agree outdoor is safe then and the people outdoors at the weekend posed minimal risk.

31-05-2021 08:29PM

I presume everyone has been enjoying their spare time out and about in the lovely weather for the last few days and not having incessant circular arguments about insubstantial matters on the boundary’s of the main issue?

Boggles · 31-05-2021 08:30PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

If they were consise people would get your point. Lots of people queried your effort, what appears concise and to the point to you is vague and ambiguous to everybody else.

Like I said go back and read the posts in context.

If you are still struggling, let me know.

I'll happily try and clarify.

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 08:45PM

Boggles wrote: »

Like I said go back and read the posts in context.

If you are still struggling, let me know.

I'll happily try and clarify.

Wild Atlantic Way are great at managing litter, but you agree the beaches get trashed with litter when big crowds gather to drink, which is exactly the same as happened in Dublin at the weekend.

After that I don't know what you are on about.

Richard Hillman · 31-05-2021 08:53PM

Outdoor transmission is a 1 in 1000 chance

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036%3fmode=amp

All the talk is about litter. Even the most ardent pro-lockdowners know they are ****e talking if they raise transmission. Its all litter. It's about controlling people. Its about not wanting to go back to normal.

We are not being locked-down for litter.

Ballynally · 31-05-2021 08:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I presume everyone has been enjoying their spare time out and about in the lovely weather for the last few days and not having incessant circular arguments about insubstantial matters on the boundary’s of the main issue?

Oh, you can do both.
Anyway, what is wrong with circular reasoning? It is the only thing that is left to make me feel even slightly ok. And i happen to nest at the periphery throwing buckets of slime towards the inner core. Just my kind of entertainment.
Dont try and take it away from me, you nincompoop.
And the sun only causes cancer so stuff it..

Edit: oh, by the way, no boundary IS..

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 09:10PM

letigofrozen wrote: »

Hospitals will be so full of trolleys that they will have to get Tesco's to borrow us some

Good one LOL!

gozunda · 31-05-2021 09:22PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

So you agree outdoor is safe then and the people outdoors at the weekend posed minimal risk .

Ah now you're back again to things which were never said. ...

But yes we know normal outdoor activities are considered lower risk - however

The people acting the eejit in DCC last week didn't give a feq whether it did or didn't but did give a finger to everyone else sticking to restrictions.

But what's new?

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 09:34PM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah now you're back again to things which were never said. ...

But yes we know normal outdoor activities are considered lower risk - however

The people acting the eejit in DCC last week didn't give a feq whether it did or didn't but did give a finger to everyone else sticking to restrictions.

But what's new?

What restrictions did they break?

dominatinMC · 31-05-2021 09:39PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Outdoor transmission is a 1 in 1000 chance

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036%3fmode=amp

All the talk is about litter. Even the most ardent pro-lockdowners know they are ****e talking if they raise transmission. Its all litter. It's about controlling people. Its about not wanting to go back to normal.

We are not being locked-down for litter.

Sorry, and I don't mean to call you out, as I'm just skiming through the thread, but how can anyone be pro-lockdown?? Do these people even exist, beyond some introverted weirdos who exist on forums like Boards and Reddit? I just can't understand how any normal person would be rejoicing over restrictions to their freedoms and civil liberties..

GT89 · 31-05-2021 09:53PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Sorry, and I don't mean to call you out, as I'm just skiming through the thread, but how can anyone be pro-lockdown?? Do these people even exist, beyond some introverted weirdos who exist on forums like Boards and Reddit? I just can't understand how any normal person would be rejoicing over restrictions to their freedoms and civil liberties..

No instead they blame the people who exercise their freedom as the reason for why they have none. I actually want to scream everytime I hear someone say people not wearing a face mask or not keeping two metres apart.

The people who tell others to wear masks, whinge about covid case numbers, give out about anti vaxxers and covid deniers are the reason for the measures not the people who give them the two fingers and try to like a normal person.

Richard Hillman · 31-05-2021 09:55PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Sorry, and I don't mean to call you out, as I'm just skiming through the thread, but how can anyone be pro-lockdown?? Do these people even exist, beyond some introverted weirdos who exist on forums like Boards and Reddit? I just can't understand how any normal person would be rejoicing over restrictions to their freedoms and civil liberties..

Subconsciously a lot of people don't want to go back to normal. For whatever personal reason they are trying to convince themselves the we are still at risk of armageddon even though the worst has passed a long time ago. Then you have the Zero Covid/ISAG nutters and the Claire Byrne's of this world. Claire Byrne has lost her **** over the last year. She is bat **** crazy now a days.

Allinall · 31-05-2021 09:57PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Subconsciously a lot of people don't want to go back to normal. For whatever personal reason they are trying to convince themselves the we are still at risk of armageddon even though the worst has passed a long time ago.........

How do you know this?

dominatinMC · 31-05-2021 10:02PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Subconsciously a lot of people don't want to go back to normal. For whatever personal reason they are trying to convince themselves the we are still at risk of armageddon even though the worst has passed a long time ago. Then you have the Zero Covid/ISAG nutters and the Claire Byrne's of this world. Claire Byrne has lost her **** over the last year. She is bat **** crazy now a days.

A lot? Or a small sample size of, and I'll say it again, introverted types who reside on internet forums...

NIAC Fanboy · 31-05-2021 10:02PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Subconsciously a lot of people don't want to go back to normal. For whatever personal reason they are trying to convince themselves the we are still at risk of armageddon even though the worst has passed a long time ago. Then you have the Zero Covid/ISAG nutters and the Claire Byrne's of this world. Claire Byrne has lost her **** over the last year. She is bat **** crazy now a days.

I observed an outbreak of loud music the other night, I initially was a bit shocked and thought this is bad. Then I checked my watch and it was 11pm.

There has been silence for so long that we forget people playing a bit of music in their garden from the stereo in a house 2 doors down at 11pm on the few warm Saturday nights we get was once normal.

Some people will be slow to accept going back to what things once were.

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