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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*
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Fine no double negatives - have you any evidence that outdoor gatherings are causing a rise in case numbers?
You mean you're aforementioned 'surge' from last week in DCC? That's your baby.
But to your previous comment...So you only read the headline? Very good.In my post I even quoted the article:But you ignored this. Funny that.So on the one side, we have international studies & test events that show outdoor presents minimal risk for covid spread.
And on the other?? Nothing. You have offered no proof that what happened in Dublin over the weekend is of any risk to public health.
Your link is behind a firewall. That and you just threw it in without even specifying the headline wasn't relevant. It wasn't. But no matter.
I do love the logic that because there's no evidence from what happened last week ergo sure its all grand like
Btw you might want to actually read those other studies, they were organised and managed events - not a mass street gathering like the antics in DCC - so no not comparable. .
So any actual studies of unmanaged mass Street parties to show they are are all grand and should be allowed without question in the midst of a pandemic?
To be honest I'd much prefer if people just admitted they wanted to go on the raz and not hide behind sure nothing to see here or wtte ...0 -
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You mean you're aforementioned 'surge' from last week in DCC? That's your baby.
But to your previous comment...
You're link is behind a firewall. That and you just threw it in without even specifying the headline wasn't relevant. It wasn't. But no matter.
I do love the logic that because there's no evidence from what happened last week ergo sure its all grand like
Btw you might want to actually read those other studies, they were organised and managed events - not a mass street gathering like the antics in DCC - so no not comparable. .
So any actual studies of unmanaged mass Street parties to show they are are all grand and should be allowed without question in the midst of a pandemic?
To be honest I'd much prefer if people just admitted they wanted to go on the raz and not hide behind sure nothing to see here or wtte ...
Is that your excuse for not following a data driven approach? Lets just go with a hunch and impose a curfew maybe....0 -
You mean you're aforementioned 'surge' from last week in DCC? That's your baby.
But to your previous comment...
You're link is behind a firewall. That and you just threw it in without even specifying the headline wasn't relevant. It wasn't. But no matter.
I do love the logic that because there's no evidence from what happened last week ergo sure its all grand like
Btw you might want to actually read those other studies, they were organised and managed events - not a mass street gathering like the antics in DCC - so no not comparable. .
So any actual studies of unmanaged mass Street parties to show they are are all grand and should be allowed without question in the midst of a pandemic?
To be honest I'd much prefer if people just admitted they wanted to go on the raz and not hide behind sure nothing to see here or wtte ...
People want their lives back and they are taking them back - they don't need to "admit" anything to you, Tony, or anyone ****ing else.0 -
is_that_so wrote: »Very few are, it's a reaction to the events in Dublin and journalists are just hunting down sensationalist soundbytes. We've been here before with this particular hand wringing exercise.
Martin is indicating a review of the reopening in july after the fantastic weekend we just had... and the Gardai are now overrreaching their position and powers in the city by harassing people and blocking off access to steets (how is this allowed and legal?). It looks like this hand wringing is quickly turning into actual policy
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They review all the time and it would take a fair surge for them to reverse those plans. I have no opinion on local approaches but it seems that councils are adopting extreme approaches over such events.dublin_paul wrote: »Martin is indicating a review of the reopening in july after the fantastic weekend we just had... and the Gardai are now overrreaching their position and powers in the city by harassing people and blocking off access to steets (how is this allowed and legal?). It looks like this hand wringing is quickly turning into actual policy0 -
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You mean you're aforementioned 'surge' from last week in DCC? That's your baby.
But to your previous comment...
You're link is behind a firewall. That and you just threw it in without even specifying the headline wasn't relevant. It wasn't. But no matter.
I do love the logic that because there's no evidence from what happened last week ergo sure its all grand like
Btw you might want to actually read those other studies, they were organised and managed events - not a mass street gathering like the antics in DCC - so no not comparable. .
So any actual studies of unmanaged mass Street parties to show they are are all grand and should be allowed without question in the midst of a pandemic?
To be honest I'd much prefer if people just admitted they wanted to go on the raz and not hide behind sure nothing to see here or wtte ...
My aforementioned surge? I havent referred to any historical surge caused by outdoor gatherings. I'm asking if YOU have any evidence to back up your theory that the outdoor gatherings are causing a rise in case numbers.
On the 2nd point, its a paywall not firewall, and thats why I quoted relevant parts of the article in my post. You must have missed it.
I have read the studies, they are examinations of epidemiology of cases across multiple countries - China, Japan, US and more. All note very low amounts of outdoors transmission.
The "organised and managed" events you are referring to, they were not what I was referring to in the article - however if you want to go there, then lets go there. Here are some events from UK conducted about 1 month ago - primarily younger people in attendence, and at that time the 20-30s were not getting 1st doses in UK yet.There were only two cases among 5,900 pop-lovers at an outdoor music festival at Sefton Park, Liverpool, and none at all at the reduced-capacity football at Wembley Stadium, indicating that summer festivals, sporting events and entertainments held outdoors are very safe.
Nine cases were found among 6,000 revellers who packed into a nightclub in Liverpool over two days without masks. The relatively higher incidence confirmed that clubbing is the toughest part of the night economy to bring back safely but is not seen as so high as to rule out the reopening of venues.
So have you any proof that outdoor gatherings are high risk? Or is all your hysteria over gatherings in DUblin city, an overreaction?0 -
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