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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #2402
    Vicxas
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    Sp nothing between the 7th of June and 7th of July?


  • #2403
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Sp nothing between the 7th of June and 7th of July?

    To date we've been winding back restrictions on a month by month basis.

    Afaik the idea is to provide a lag time to gauge what effects reduced social distancing, travel etc have on the rate of infection before moving to the next phase. It's the same model the UK are using for the easing of restrictions there.


  • #2404
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Sp nothing between the 7th of June and 7th of July?
    It's what we did last summer with an extra week now between changes.


  • #2405
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....


  • #2406
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....
    As things stand that's less of a point of debate than the level of vaccination and we're moving along well enough on that. The same seems to be true on vaccinations for the rest of the EU so we shall all be coming out of it at about the same time.


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  • #2407
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    gozunda wrote: »
    To date we've been winding back restrictions on a month by month basis.

    Afaik the idea is to provide a lag time to gsuge what effects reduced social distancing, travel etc have on the rate of infection before moving to the next phase. It's the same model the UK are using for the easing of restrictions there.

    It’s not the same model. They have a similar lag time between moving to next phases but their phase 2 for example included outdoor retail and attractions, personal grooming, gyms and outdoor dining. Much more lifting of restrictions in each phase while we take eight weeks to do what they’ve done in four.

    You could make a claim that they are further along on vaccination (although gap is closing), as the reason for more lifting in each phase, but it’s not the same model.


  • #2408
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    It’s not the same model. They have a similar lag time between moving to next phases but their phase 2 for example included outdoor retail and attractions, personal grooming, gyms and outdoor dining. Much more lifting of restrictions in each phase while we take eight weeks to do what they’ve done in four.

    You could make a claim that they are further along on vaccination (although gap is closing), but it’s not the same model.

    No not the same with regard to their selected activities rather the lifting of restirctions then review then the next phase. Atm there's approx 4 weeks between changes. For example

    May 10 & 17 2021:

    All retail, non-essential or otherwise, fully opening to customers. Lockdown restrictions lifted including the return of hairdressers/barbers/beauticians, inter-county travel, sports training for adults, vaccinated households being able to meet indoors, and more.Cultural services. Galleries, museums and other cultural attractions reopen.


    From 2 June 2021:

    Hotels and bed and breakfasts can reopen services for guests only.

    From 7 June 2021: Visitors to homes. Wedding receptions Gyms, swimming pools and leisure centres can reopen. Restaurants and bars can reopen for outdoor service for groups. Etc

    So yes a range of restrictions are being rolled back each month as detailed

    And yes the UK remains well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations


  • #2409
    [Deleted User]
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    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....

    Without question.

    We are the only country in Europe that felt the need to have construction closed in 2021.
    The only country in the world to have a travel restriction in place for 5 months.
    The only country that lost out on the Euros.
    The only country that doesn’t believe in scientifically proven effective Antigen tests.
    The only country still not allowing outdoor dining.

    What’s happened in this country has being nothing short of disgraceful. Especially the antigen tests that could have being used to save many lives in nursing homes and hospitals.


  • #2410
    RunningFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    mloc123 wrote: »
    But is the cause the Indian variant.... or the fact that England opened up pubs, restaurants, crowds at football matches etc.. etc.... about 3-4 weeks ago?

    Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

    Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!


  • #2411
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Lumen wrote: »
    You missed the extremely important caveat: three weeks after the first dose.

    It is well understood and widely known that AZ efficacy increases steadily far beyond this.

    If I understand you rightly so does the efficacy of AZ rise steadly with time ? So say 5 weeks after the first dose the efficacy rises above 33% ? That point was not made clear in the media or I misunderstood ?


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  • #2412
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    RunningFlyer wrote: »
    Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

    Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!
    We're building up to larger crowds and that may change depending on our circumstances.


  • #2413
    Holy Duck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Holy Duck


    How long before side effects show themselves, when is one"out of the woods" so to speak?


  • #2414
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    gozunda wrote: »
    No not the same with regard to their selected activities rather the lifting of restirctions then review then the next phase. Atm there's approx 4 weeks between changes. For example

    May 10 & 17 2021:

    All retail, non-essential or otherwise, fully opening to customers. Lockdown restrictions lifted including the return of hairdressers/barbers/beauticians, inter-county travel, sports training for adults, vaccinated households being able to meet indoors, and more.Cultural services. Galleries, museums and other cultural attractions reopen.


    From 2 June 2021:

    Hotels and bed and breakfasts can reopen services for guests only.

    From 7 June 2021: Visitors to homes. Wedding receptions Gyms, swimming pools and leisure centres can reopen. Restaurants and bars can reopen for outdoor service for groups. Etc

    So yes a range of restrictions are being rolled back each month as detailed

    And yes the UK remains well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations

    Yes so we have in common four weeks between lifting of restrictions, but if they are fitting twice as much into each phase it makes highlighting that similarity a bit meaningless.

    Also they lift restrictions in each phase in one go instead of drip-drip nonsense here like appointments for non-essential for one week, and a wait between hairdressers, outdoor spots and inter-county.


  • #2415
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    One dose for the Indian Variant is 33% if I remember correctly. A fortnight ago 18 people in Bolton were hospitalised with the Indian Variant. 1 had both doses but was incredibly frail. 5 had 1 dose. I know we all want to be positive but 1 dose with the Indian Variant isn't great compared to the other variants. Its the dominant strain in the UK now.

    33% protection agaiant catching it and having mild symptoms.

    Very high % Protected against death and hospitalisation.


  • #2416
    JPup
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    RunningFlyer wrote: »
    Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

    Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!

    Vast majority won’t be fully vaccinated by then unfortunately. Lots of 2nd doses will still being given out that month and into September. Then a few weeks after that for full effect.


  • #2417
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    RunningFlyer wrote: »
    Wondered this myself. Same with Christmas - it involved a massive amount of indoor socialising so whilst the Kent variant was said to be more transmissible, I think we would have had the huge jump in cases regardless due to the level of mixing.

    Also really don’t understand the 1/4 capacity sports events in August when the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated by then! What’s the end-game?!

    Its been proven to be more transmissible, the same jump with the older variant would have not been possible as seen in the first wave.

    Outdoor sports events should be 100% attendance once the Ro is below 1 and vaccination is dose 50% one dose or so.

    That would be following the science.


  • #2418
    funnydoggy
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    Where would one watch the announcement after the fact? Am working until very late tonight and would like to watch it when I get home. Don't really want anything spoiled for me :pac:


  • #2419
    Klonker
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    gozunda wrote: »
    To date we've been winding back restrictions on a month by month basis.

    Afaik the idea is to provide a lag time to gauge what effects reduced social distancing, travel etc have on the rate of infection before moving to the next phase. It's the same model the UK are using for the easing of restrictions there.

    No we haven't. In April we had slight easing every week.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/timeline-how-covid-19-measures-will-be-eased-according-to-latest-plan-1.4523968%3fmode=amp

    Previous to April they said they wanted to leave 3 week gaps to see the effects of the easing but then in April it changed to ease gradually so as to not see a jump in cases. Both are reasonable ways of going about it easing restrictions but jumping from one to the other isn't, it just shows lack of an overall strategy.

    Now maybe it will be week to week easing and they are only the headline dates we are seeing but we should know later on today when we get more details.


  • #2420
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭prunudo


    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Would it be fair to say we are possibly the most conservative in Europe in terms of easing restrictions?? I know that is a sweeping statement and obviously nobody has time to look at all the different criteria but.....

    There was a Portuguese guy over last week to commission some equipment in a place where I work. He couldn't believed the level of restrictions still in place here, and was even more shocked when he found out its been like this, and worse, since Christmas. Even with their high cases at the start of the year he said they've been less restricted than we have been.


  • #2421
    gozunda
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    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Yes so we have in common four weeks between lifting of restrictions, but if they are fitting twice as much into each phase it makes highlighting that similarity a bit meaningless.

    Also they lift restrictions in each phase in one go instead of drip-drip nonsense here like appointments for non-essential for one week, and a wait between hairdressers, outdoor spots and inter-county.

    Well no it doesn't - because it's not a competition. And as said they remain well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations and you know what - fair fuqs to them.

    And I'd disagree that they lift "restrictions in each phase in one go". Travel in the UK is a case in point. They opened up regional - then countrywide - then brought in limited international travel

    Do the UK have inter- county Gaa matches ? :D

    Anyway I'd say its generally more of a case of grass been greener and all that...


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  • #2422
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Klonker wrote: »
    No we haven't. In April we had slight easing every week.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/timeline-how-covid-19-measures-will-be-eased-according-to-latest-plan-1.4523968%3fmode=amp

    Previous to April they said they wanted to leave 3 week gaps to see the effects of the easing but then in April it changed to ease gradually so as to not see a jump in cases. Both are reasonable ways of going about it easing restrictions but jumping from one to the other isn't, it just shows lack of an overall strategy. Now maybe it will be week to week easing and they are only the headline dates we are seeing but we should know later on today when we get more details.

    Your link is behind a firewall so I've no idea what it says or otherwise

    The main rollbacks going forward are on a monthly basis with some additional as detailed eg 10 & 17 May. eg See:

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html

    Side note: No fan of politicians in general- but I do feel sorry for this lot. They get slammed for not opening up fast enough - and when they do - they get lambasted for that as well. They really can't win ...


  • #2423
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Can anyone help me with a question . I have tried googling but get bogged down
    So they are saying that after one dose of AZ the efficacy against Indian variant if 33%
    Is that in week one post vaccine and does the efficacy rise over time ? So say week 5/6 post vaccine has it risen beyond 33% ?
    Also is that number simply for risk of infection or has it a higher protection for severe illness
    Thank you in advance for any help


  • #2424
    timmyntc
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Can anyone help me with a question . I have tried googling but get bogged down
    So they are saying that after one dose of AZ the efficacy against Indian variant if 33%
    Is that in week one post vaccine and does the efficacy rise over time ? So say week 5/6 post vaccine has it risen beyond 33% ?
    Also is that number simply for risk of infection or has it a higher protection for severe illness
    Thank you in advance for any help

    Tonnes of misinformation going around on this.
    33% effective against symptomatic disease from B.1.617.2 three weeks after the first dose, whereas they were 50% effective against B.1.1.7.

    After 1 dose, 33% effective against symptomatic disease. Higher protection vs needing hospitalised or death, naturally. And this is only for 1 dose. Of course it goes up when you get the 2nd.


  • #2425
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Can anyone help me with a question . I have tried googling but get bogged down
    So they are saying that after one dose of AZ the efficacy against Indian variant if 33%
    Is that in week one post vaccine and does the efficacy rise over time ? So say week 5/6 post vaccine has it risen beyond 33% ?
    Also is that number simply for risk of infection or has it a higher protection for severe illness
    Thank you in advance for any help

    Catch it easier but still highly protected against death or serious illness.


  • #2426
    brickster69
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    New variant in the UK. It's like a takeaway Chinese, Indian & Thai. Will be a Kentucky variant next.

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1397974324431278082

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #2427
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    brickster69 wrote: »
    New variant in the UK. It's like a takeaway Chinese, Indian & Thai. Will be a Kentucky variant next.

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1397974324431278082

    There has been 100,000s of variants since covid began.


  • #2428
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well no it doesn't - because it's not a competition. And as said they remain well ahead of us with regard to vaccinations and you know what - fair fuqs to them.

    And I'd disagree that they lift "restrictions in each phase in one go". Travel in the UK is a case in point. They opened up regional - then countrywide - then brought in limited international travel

    Do the UK have inter- county Gaa matches ? :D

    Anyway I'd say its generally more of a case of grass been greener and all that...

    No it’s not a competition and fair play to them with speed of vaccination rollout - point still stands though, you meaninglessly used the four week similarity to compare us to UK plan, when in fact there are far more differences than similarities (vaccinations included).

    Grass is greener? Well of course. Wish very much we didn’t have authorities that trapped themselves into an overly cautious, micro-managing strategy for easing of restrictions resulting in far more damage done financially and socially than any other EU country.


  • #2429
    JDD
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    There has been 100,000s of variants since covid began.

    That's a question I have. I've heard that covid mutates very slightly all the time, that's why we can trace back a particular outbreak to a similar outbreak in Spain, or whatever.

    What makes the Kent, Indian, SA variants different from your common or garden everyday variants? If it turned out that the Indian variant was no more contagious, did not cause more serious illness, and was not resistant to vaccines, surely it's just like the millions of other variants we've had over the past year? Is it something to do with outer shell variations vs inner part of virus variations?


  • #2430
    Cork2021
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    Stop giving variants names!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fûck off!!!


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  • #2431
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    No it’s not a competition and fair play to them with speed of vaccination rollout - point still stands though, you meaninglessly used the four week similarity to compare us to UK plan, when in fact there are far more differences than similarities (vaccinations included).

    Grass is greener? Well of course. Wish very much we didn’t have authorities that trapped themselves into an overly cautious, micro-managing strategy for easing of restrictions resulting in far more damage done financially and socially than any other EU country.



    As I said incorrect. There was no comparison actual or implied of anything but the mention of the interval model as detailed.



    As for "cautious". Whether anyone agrees with a more cautious approach or otherwise - it remains Ireland has achieved one of the lowest case and death rates per capita of any of our near European neighbours and the UK. Though I reckon no one would claim that any ocountry has not faced massive social and economic damage as a result of the Pandemic. As to a final measure of that - that's a whole other can of worms.

    Caveat

    I'll leave you there.


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