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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #2312
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    cheezums wrote: »
    this indian variant hysteria is ridiculous. vaccines work against it. it's not more deadly. likely more transmissible. pretty much all of this countries vulnerable are now vaccinated. there is definitely an element of doom addiction going on here.

    100%.

    The media and people not understanding what efficacy actually means.


  • #2313
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Actually the PHE study said there was currently insuffecient evidence to know what coverage there is at one jab for those
    Rocking ahead in the dark is not a good plan for those on Astra waiting 3 months for that all important 2nd dose

    Coverage of what?????

    All the vaccine manufacturers have said their vaccines protect against death and serious illness from the Indian variant.

    Stop with the scaremongering please.

    Stick to the facts.


  • #2314
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gael23 wrote: »
    He’s getting a clip around the ears from Tony for saying that

    Vaccines a runaway success story? Not a convenient narrative for keeping the public in thrall to NPHET & RTÉ, sowing fear and uncertainty is an effective tool of manipulation. Can't have greenshoots of optimism empowering the masses to embrace life to the fullest.


  • #2315
    [Deleted User]
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Coverage of what?????

    Hospitalisation and death
    You of course know thats what I said


  • #2316
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    cheezums wrote: »
    this indian variant hysteria is ridiculous. vaccines work against it. it's not more deadly. likely more transmissible. pretty much all of this countries vulnerable are now vaccinated. there is definitely an element of doom addiction going on here.

    So you're saying you don't give a phuck about Cohort 4/7 then.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #2317
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    75% of the *new* cases in UK are the Indian variant, according to sky news.


  • #2318
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Hospitalisation and death
    You of course know thats what I said

    Well that's a lie.

    The UK have just said hospitalisations remain low with the Indian variant been the dominant one now.


  • #2319
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The indian variant is 75% of cases now in GB
    People in their 50s and 60s who got astrazenica are going to be poorly protected all summer as that variant takes hold here and it will
    Theres a strong case for 2nd dosing them sooner and giving jaansen excusively to under 50s along with pfizer and moderna at this stage

    One dose of AstraZeneca isn't that bad at providing protection. According to this, one dose of AZ is as good or better than Janssen. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccine-one-shot-effectiveness-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-vaccines-dose-2021-3%3famp

    That's assuming, of course, that AZ can actually make their deliveries.


  • #2320
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    cheezums wrote: »
    this indian variant hysteria is ridiculous. vaccines work against it. it's not more deadly. likely more transmissible. pretty much all of this countries vulnerable are now vaccinated. there is definitely an element of doom addiction going on here.

    Are you forgetting cohort 7 along with the media and the HSE ? The forgotten high risk cohort


  • #2321
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Well that's a lie.

    The UK have just said hospitalisations remain low with the Indian variant been the dominant one now.

    Yes but where are they on vaccinations lad versus us?
    Also its not a lie,the PHE study actually did state theres not enough evidence yet to assess the effect of the indian variant on hospitalisations and death
    They are in a much better place protection wise Not to find out
    Would you like us to be the guinea pig by following the UK before we have caught up with vaccinations ?


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  • #2322
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,622 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    So you're saying you don't give a phuck about Cohort 4/7 then.

    Surely in the name of all that’s holy those in that cohort can protect themselves for the next few weeks and not expect others to do so

    Or is it still more comforting that we all suffer


  • #2323
    cheezums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    So you're saying you don't give a phuck about Cohort 4/7 then.

    with our current vaccination levels, the effective IFR for this thing currently in ireland is now likely no worse than regular flu.


  • #2324
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,622 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    cheezums wrote: »
    with our current vaccination levels, the effective IFR for this thing currently in ireland is now likely no worse than regular flu.

    That statement will cause serious consternation


  • #2325
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    cheezums wrote: »
    with our current vaccination levels, the effective IFR for this thing currently in ireland is now likely no worse than regular flu.

    cheezums you need to check this thread, a lot of cohort 7 has yet to be done, especially folk with respiratory diseases. I know its a fecking drag, I'm one of the luckier ones I get my second dose tomorrow but there is confusion out there with GPs pulling out of vaccinations and hopefully the portal will open up for this group.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #2326
    [Deleted User]
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    Dr. Em wrote: »
    One dose of AstraZeneca isn't that bad at providing protection. According to this, one dose of AZ is as good or better than Janssen. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccine-one-shot-effectiveness-pfizer-moderna-astrazeneca-vaccines-dose-2021-3%3famp

    That's assuming, of course, that AZ can actually make their deliveries.

    I think theres a bit of hysteria in this thread towards people urging caution
    I havent seen any study on jaannsen and the Indian variant yet
    I'm just advocating that a speedier 2nd dose of Astra is imperative now


  • #2327
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    cheezums wrote: »
    with our current vaccination levels, the effective IFR for this thing currently in ireland is now likely no worse than regular flu.

    At a population level perhaps, but not necessarily for the individual.


  • #2328
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Vaccines a runaway success story? Not a convenient narrative for keeping the public in thrall to NPHET & RTÉ, sowing fear and uncertainty is an effective tool of manipulation. Can't have greenshoots of optimism empowering the masses to embrace life to the fullest.

    Yes, telling us that cases are no longer linked to hospitalisation na death doesn’t fit Tony’s script


  • #2329
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Polar101


    cheezums wrote: »
    this indian variant hysteria is ridiculous. vaccines work against it. it's not more deadly. likely more transmissible. pretty much all of this countries vulnerable are now vaccinated. there is definitely an element of doom addiction going on here.

    That's a lot of definite statements. There is no hysteria, and vaccines seem to work against it. But just to dismiss it as something that's not concerning is just ignorant. It's also way too early to declare the vulnerable are vaccinated - they are not. Many of them have had their 1st dose, some of them have had their 2nd dose.


  • #2330
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    On a totally different note Us Prez...just ordered new investigation into the covid laboratory leak hypothesis.


  • #2331
    cheezums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Polar101 wrote: »
    That's a lot of definite statements. There is no hysteria, and vaccines seem to work against it. But just to dismiss it as something that's not concerning is just ignorant. It's also way too early to declare the vulnerable are vaccinated - they are not. Many of them have had their 1st dose, some of them have had their 2nd dose.

    no indian variant hysteria?? lol


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  • #2332
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    speckle wrote: »
    On a totally different note Us Prez...just ordered new investigation into the covid laboratory leak hypothesis.

    So is Biden a conspiracy theorist now?


  • #2333
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    I think theres a bit of hysteria in this thread towards people urging caution
    I havent seen any study on jaannsen and the Indian variant yet
    I'm just advocating that a speedier 2nd dose of Astra is imperative now

    You're comment is misdirected. I'm all for caution and seeing how things play out in the UK. I have no quarrel with you. You mentioned that older groups who have received only one dose of AZ will not have the best protection over the summer. The article I linked could be of general interest, however, because it indicates that one dose of AZ may offer more protection that any other single dose, including Janssen. The mRNA vaccines have higher efficacy after two doses, of course.


  • #2334
    cheezums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That statement will cause serious consternation

    yep. the "covid is no worse than the flu" was a dumb and false take that i regularly called out until the last few weeks, when it actually became true.


  • #2335
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    So is Biden a conspiracy theorist now?

    Aswell as all the scientists now asking the same question including some of those who originally said no ;)


  • #2336
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I see "Cohort 7" seems to be the latest excuse to keep a noose around the countries neck. I wonder what will be next, when "cohort 7" are done what will the national excuse be then?


  • #2337
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    You're comment is misdirected. I'm all for caution and seeing how things play out in the UK. I have no quarrel with you. You mentioned that older groups who have received only one dose of AZ will not have the best protection over the summer. The article I linked could be of general interest, however, because it indicates that one dose of AZ may offer more protection that any other single dose, including Janssen. The mRNA vaccines have higher efficacy after two doses, of course.

    I wasn't directing it at you,moreso explaining my take on this
    I think theres 100's of 1000's at risk who have been very careful in the last year and could now fall at the last hurdle if their plight is just glossed over,single dose Astra's and unvaccinated cohort 7's

    Its not an argument for more lock down on their behalf,its an argument for keeping the pcr test rule ex UK and for prioritising fully protecting the remaining most vulnerable
    Also to consider is many of our HCW's are heading beyond 6 months soon from their vacinations as are care homes
    Ball dropping in a rush to go balooba's is not a good idea in my opinion


  • #2338
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    75% of the *new* cases in UK are the Indian variant, according to sky news.


    Semms to have taken over from the Brazil and UK variants. We have over 100 cases here hopefully it won't spread much here with the vaccination programme. I wonder where the next variant will come from?


  • #2339
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The indian variant is 75% of cases now in GB
    People in their 50s and 60s who got astrazenica are going to be poorly protected all summer as that variant takes hold here and it will
    Theres a strong case for 2nd dosing them sooner and giving jaansen excusively to under 50s along with pfizer and moderna at this stage

    Very few people in the UK over 50 will not have had a second dose by now or offered one.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #2340
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    speckle wrote: »
    On a totally different note Us Prez...just ordered new investigation into the covid laboratory leak hypothesis.
    Why doesn't this have its own thread? By the standards of moderation here: if I open a thread about Joe Biden's announcement, and Anthony Fauci no longer being confident that it has a natural origin, as widely reported across ALL news channels today, should it still get sent to Conspiracy Theories like the other threads have?


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  • #2341
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I see "Cohort 7" seems to be the latest excuse to keep a noose around the countries neck. I wonder what will be next, when "cohort 7" are done what will the national excuse be then?
    They're the last vulnerable group awaiting vaccination, that's hardly fair now is it?


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