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David's going Dairying.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Very best of luck!! Keep us up dated on how you getting on!

    The very best of luck David. It’s being an enjoyable thread. Quick 2 years. At least your making money now rather than spending money.😀


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,809 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Best of luck with the cows. Have to say the parlour looks the business with the light flooding in from the roof. Brilliant idea to lighten up a place you'll spend hours in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Congratulations a fantastic achievement! Best of luck with it all. Saw a fella Wilson on Ear to the Ground there this evening and it reminded me of this thread. Thanks for all the updates it’s been great reading about your journey.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48 jayc12


    The best of luck David, great to see the end product.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    Fair play David. Been following your thread since the beginning. Best of luck with the dairying.

    I grew up on a farm but didn't have much interest in it. Tipped away, mostly against my Will. Funnily enough the farming forum on boards has been the one I probably most frequent now. Armchair farming I suppose!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    I'll stick up more information and photos when its fully finished. I just got it up and running to milk. Cows trained into the routine quick enough. I think milking them individually helped.

    In the summer I'll put up the final figures for everything. As of now I'm gone over budget by 15k. However I had no cost for digging or stone. I also sold building stone, flagstones and slates which will bring the 15k back to about 8k. At the moment I'm just enjoying the journey even though the weather is brutal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    No call for that it’s only the man’s opinion. I wanna hear more from David too though

    And it's not appropriate for this thread. Not that that bothers me anymore now that the ignore button is being used.

    Finally back on topic, Excellent thread David,been following from the start and great to see it up and running. The place I work for runs the wash trough into the wash down tank after washing. Seems to prevent any moss or algae growing.


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    I'll stick up more information and photos when its fully finished. I just got it up and running to milk. Cows trained into the routine quick enough. I think milking them individually helped.

    In the summer I'll put up the final figures for everything. As of now I'm gone over budget by 15k. However I had no cost for digging or stone. I also sold building stone, flagstones and slates which will bring the 15k back to about 8k. At the moment I'm just enjoying the journey even though the weather is brutal.

    looks a fine setup,great to see someone set themselves up and go at it

    Best of luck with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    David, much problems getting the heifers used to the clusters. I remember years ago when the Uncle was still milking that heifers were always a nightmare and you'd be afraid of getting your wrist/fingers broken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Base price wrote: »
    David, much problems getting the heifers used to the clusters. I remember years ago when the Uncle was still milking that heifers were always a nightmare and you'd be afraid of getting your wrist/fingers broken.

    Yea, a friend had a heifer was so good that she broke his arm twice before he pulled it out


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Base price wrote: »
    David, much problems getting the heifers used to the clusters. I remember years ago when the Uncle was still milking that heifers were always a nightmare and you'd be afraid of getting your wrist/fingers broken.

    Only 2 clusters were kicked off this morning. So far most of the heifers are fine. One heifer has a nasty right leg alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    The run thru pre calving can help get em used to it, but if you were milking them already with the bucket plant they would be used to clusters. I find a narrow rope the best with ones that must be tied as they leg can be properly secured. Reducing the space they have can help as well so if an extra cow goes into the row for a milking or two what about it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    tanko wrote: »
    Can a separate thread be set up for this shyte???

    Yes it can. What do want to call it?

    Edit, just closing this one for a few minutes to tidy it up, bear with me.

    New thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=116352149#post116352149

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    Only 2 clusters were kicked off this morning. So far most of the heifers are fine. One heifer has a nasty right leg alright.

    Often tied the leg to a bar, quickly and cagely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭einn32


    Danzy wrote: »
    Often tied the leg to a bar, quickly and cagely.

    Climbing rope is very hand for the quick release and is soft. . It's one advantage of robots....watching the robot get the ****e kicked out of it made my day!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    544469.jpg
    This is the collecting yard for the minute. A wall going parallel with the tank, this will be built 7ft to the left, and another wall going between the pillars of the shed will be built during the summer. The fence is doing fine for the moment.

    544470.jpg

    The cows closest to calf are in a large loose bedded shed. We set up a calving gate temporarily in this shed for the spring. It works just fine and we only used the head gate once so far. This shed and the one to the right of it will be turned into cubicles during the summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    544473.jpg
    This is the calf shed for this spring. It was a sheep shed with a center passageway and barriers either side. The barrier were removed and I used the sheep hurdles to make pens. It's a simple setup. Each pen holds 5 calves. This week we will put them into groups of 10.

    Each calf goes into an individual pen for the first 24 hours and them moves into a group. It works fine for this year with the small number of animals and I'd like to do it for the next few years if I can. Each calf gets their mothers colostrum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    This is the calf shed for this spring. It was a sheep shed with a center passageway and barriers either side. The barrier were removed and I used the sheep hurdles to make pens. It's a simple setup. Each pen holds 5 calves. This week we will put them into groups of 10.

    Each calf goes into an individual pen for the first 24 hours and them moves into a group. It works fine for this year with the small number of animals and I'd like to do it for the next few years if I can. Each calf gets their mothers colostrum.
    The sheep hurdles are fierce handy. I've seen a few set up's with dairy farmers using them for penning calves. They are easily removed and the shed can be used for other stuff like storing bales of hay/straw during the Autumn/Winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    This is the collecting yard for the minute. A wall going parallel with the tank, this will be built 7ft to the left, and another wall going between the pillars of the shed will be built during the summer. The fence is doing fine for the moment.

    The cows closest to calf are in a large loose bedded shed. We set up a calving gate temporarily in this shed for the spring. It works just fine and we only used the head gate once so far. This shed and the one to the right of it will be turned into cubicles during the summer.

    What make of head gate is that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    What make of head gate is that?

    It's a Condon head gate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    First tank of milk collected today. All the parlor and diary equipment is up and running well. Crush and handling facilities are in but I'm waiting on concrete.

    TBC was 4,000. SCC was 240,000 I put this down to OAD milking. I have went twice a day since last Saturday. All the heifers are settling in well, as am I :D

    There is still stuff to finish off outside including concrete and knocking what's left of the old house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Fairplay, best of luck with it. Once the cows settle hopefully scc will drop a bit. Keep an eye on the milk filter for any clots just in case. Would be worth milk recording soon if you can. With a young herd of you find a high scc cow you have a good chance of curing them.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    First tank of milk collected today. All the parlor and diary equipment is up and running well. Crush and handling facilities are in but I'm waiting on concrete.

    TBC was 4,000. SCC was 240,000 I put this down to OAD milking. I have went twice a day since last Saturday. All the heifers are settling in well, as am I :D

    There is still stuff to finish off outside including concrete and knocking what's left of the old house.

    Fair play David - great stuff!

    Did the lorry driver say anything about the surface or being able to turn to get in? I only ask as it might be an issue if I went ahead here.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭Murang


    Best of luck to you David just as a matter of interest when last was milk sold from your farm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,524 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Fair play David.
    It's a lot of work and commitment to take up the dairy work. No half measures or shortcuts seem to be taken. Keep posting - its interesting reading as I know fek all about dairy - there are none in my area so this is all newish stuff to me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭trg


    Fair play David. Will you be tracking figures as you go along?
    Comparing actual figures to budgeted figures and that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Mooooo wrote: »
    Fairplay, best of luck with it. Once the cows settle hopefully scc will drop a bit. Keep an eye on the milk filter for any clots just in case. Would be worth milk recording soon if you can. With a young herd of you find a high scc cow you have a good chance of curing them.

    I'll be milk recording the end of the month and waiting on a Californian milk test to arrive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Fair play David - great stuff!

    Did the lorry driver say anything about the surface or being able to turn to get in? I only ask as it might be an issue if I went ahead here.

    He called on a month ago and we decided what we were going to do. I just made it wide enough so there wont be any issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Murang wrote: »
    Best of luck to you David just as a matter of interest when last was milk sold from your farm

    About 80 years ago. There was 80 cows on the farm milked by hand. We actually removed the a stone platform where the churns were loaded onto the cart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    trg wrote: »
    Fair play David. Will you be tracking figures as you go along?
    Comparing actual figures to budgeted figures and that

    Yes I will. When I have the final spend put together I'll post it up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Hi everyone. I was silent the last few weeks there because we were busy here. Things have settled in well. I had an issue with SCC but I did milk tests and culture tests and found the problem cows. 2 cows were in the high millions and one of them got e coli mastitis. She is going fine but I wont be breeding off her.

    I had issues with calves being still born. I blood tested cows and they were low in Ca and Mg. I am giving them a bottle of calciject before they calf. I traced the problem back to the mineral buckets they were getting. The problem is sorted and I'm down to the last 5 cows to calf. All the build work is finished and the cattle crush is finished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    The parlor finished


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Cattle crush and dairy. The front of the dairy has to be concreted and the old buildings to the left and the right have to be demolished


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,524 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Hi David.

    Great photos! What was the issue with the mineral buckets - were they the wrong ones or was there a batch problem with them?
    Any chance of some more photos/plan of your crush layout as I'm developing one myself? How much were the expanding gates at the race entrance if you don't mind me asking.

    I really like that transparent roof. What material is it - is it all perspex?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,930 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    Cattle crush and dairy. The front of the dairy has to be concreted and the old buildings to the left and the right have to be demolished

    Do you have to put in a pvc ceiling in the dairy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Do you have to put in a pvc ceiling in the dairy?

    I don't have to put in a ceiling but I have to put in a PVC division between the dairy and parlor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Hi David.

    Great photos! What was the issue with the mineral buckets - were they the wrong ones or was there a batch problem with them?

    Any chance of some more photos/plan of your crush layout as I'm developing one myself? How much were the expanding gates at the race entrance if you don't mind me asking.

    I really like that transparent roof. What material is it - is it all perspex?


    I had crystalx buckets and we were going fine I changed to another brand and it was lower in Ca and Mg. I will be using powder minerals this year. I had to use buckets because of the set up I had.

    Yes I will up load more later with measurements. They are 14 to 16ft gates roughly 150 a gate plus vat. Everything there was supplied by Condons

    The sheeting was supplied by Greenhill Systems and is made in Belfast. It's made from PVC, UV resistant for 20 years. Its 6mm thick with 3 layers. It's made to suit each shed individually and worked out the same price as fibre cement sheeting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    Are you supplying glanbia David?
    Excellent looking set up by the way. You took no half measures


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Are you supplying glanbia David?
    Excellent looking set up by the way. You took no half measures

    Yes I am. These new measures will allow me to go to about 95 cows. The aim is 120. I'm glad I didn't go and do the big cubicle shed I planned. I will do about 80 cubicles this summer.

    I spent money on the things that will make life easier. I designed this to be a 1 man show. My parents won't be around for ever. I wanted to make it safe and easy for people and the animals. Instead if putting in a drafting gate I used that money to do handling facilities.

    The total cost for everything is coming in at 255K + VAT. That's an 11,000 bulk tank, 16 unit room for 20 delaval parlor, 12T crowley bin, 2 renai gas heaters, handling facilities, collecting yard and tank, shed and all concrete, painting the walls, electrical work, water softener and UV light. I will break it all down at a later date.

    The TAMS grant has to be deducted off this figure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    You've been very open and honest on this project, thanks. Wish you well.
    Absolutely love the roof, hate dark milking parlours, having worked in a few.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    2 months on, How are you finding things going?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Hello everyone. I was silent with my updates for a while. By the time building was finished and calving done I was just drained, mentally not physically. This last lockdown hit me harder than expected and I got into a bad habit of working longer days and actually getting less done. I am back on track again and feeling like myself.

    Right so I am milking 48 cows out of my original 52 calves. 1 heifer died in September from pneumonia, 1 heifer absorbed the embro in September, 1 heifer was a free martin and 1 heifer had bad warts on her teats and got mastitis. She had a fine AA bull calf but I couldn't get milk out of her. Out of these 48 cows, 1 cow got E.Coli mastitis in two quarters and is only milking from the other two. Another  cow got Staph Aureus mastitis and is milking on three quarters. Both cows are in the last row and both will be culled the end of the year.

    Spring 2021 had it's ups and downs. I had no C Sections and I didn't loose any cows. 7 calves were lost. 2 because I left the cows calve too long and 5 were down to poor minerals. I was giving cows Crystalx pre calving lick buckets from the end of November until the 1st week of March and I changed to another brand. While it said it was a pre calving mineral lick it was lower in Ca and Mg. Into the third week of March I noticed cows being slow to calf and taking a lot longer. When I handle the cow the calf is coming fine and is alive. An hour later I handle the cow and the calf might have moved forward an inch or 2 and is dead. I lost 3 calves in a row and 2 more a week later. This hit me badly, I got 10 cows blood tested. 5 that lost calves and 5 that calved with a while. The 5 that lost calves were deficient in Mg and Ca. I sent 2 calves to the vet lab and the results showed that the calves drowned. I changed back to the original lick and the final cows that were calving all got a bottle of Ca under the skin an hour before calving. Every other calf was fine. I finished calving the middle of April.

    AI is going well and today I put CIDR's into 6 heifers and 7 cows to bring the last few bulling. I have a few repeats so far but not many. My first milk recording was done in the middle of April. The average litres is 25 with protein at 3.4% and BF at 4.11% The grass mixed with chicory and plantain isn't working out as well as I hoped. The cows find it palatable but everytime they graze it the protein goes down. Everything in the parlor is finished and all is left is a slab of concrete out the front for the milk lorry. I will do one tank and 80 cubicles this summer. I will also do one roadway. At the moment I am using strip wires and a 90 gallon water tank for the cows. It's a bit of work to move but works fine for this year.

    I'll post up more later


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭cosatron


    Pre calver mineral dust on silage nightly and 2 bolus at dry off will sort out your mineral deficiency. Not a fan of buckets, how do you know if all the cows are getting a lick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    cosatron wrote: »
    Pre calver mineral dust on silage nightly and 2 bolus at dry off will sort out your mineral deficiency. Not a fan of buckets, how do you know if all the cows are getting a lick

    Tubs were used for the previous winter because of the setup. Cows were fed silage in feeders and there wasn't enough room for them all to eat at once. I was dusting minerals on the silage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    A couple of photos of the finished job internally and externally all is left to do is pour cement in front of the parlor


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I thought dry cow minerals were supposed to be 0 cal or is it phos? Something to do with the let down of milk putting a huge sudden demand on cows at calving. If the cow has been getting the mineral pre-calving their system isn't able to cope with the big demand. It's a long time since I milked cows so could be wrong.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Alibaba


    Brilliant thread Davidk.
    Found it very interesting as I've milked cows but not since 1996.
    Only read through it this evening.
    You haven't been idle but you have a smashing set up done now.
    Best of luck with it - I'll be following your progress.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,930 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    blue5000 wrote: »
    I thought dry cow minerals were supposed to be 0 cal or is it phos? Something to do with the let down of milk putting a huge sudden demand on cows at calving. If the cow has been getting the mineral pre-calving their system isn't able to cope with the big demand. It's a long time since I milked cows so could be wrong.

    If you go too high with the nitrogen and potash on the silage ground it robs that grass of minerals.
    It's only a small amount of calcium needed for supplement pre calving. I don't do it myself. Not telling anyone what to do though.
    And it's a greater amount of magnesium needed. But the stone magnesium in commercial mineral supplement is really only half available to the cow. You're better off having that fully available from the plant and in the plant in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,930 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    And David don't give up on that plantain and chicory.
    Drill in some clover or broadcast and slurry.
    Your protein went down. But I bet the litres stayed up or increased ever so slightly and I'd say the cows looked more content.

    Milk protein % payments were only brought in to reward the nitrogen sellers. :pac:
    Get the clovers in and they'll do the same job and the plantains and chicory will buffer it better against bloat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,203 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    And David don't give up on that plantain and chicory.
    Drill in some clover or broadcast and slurry.
    Your protein went down. But I bet the litres stayed up or increased ever so slightly and I'd say the cows looked more content.

    Milk protein % payments were only brought in to reward the nitrogen sellers. :pac:
    Get the clovers in and they'll do the same job and the plantains and chicory will buffer it better against bloat.

    Yes the litres went up and cows we're very happy. I forgot to add I will keep with it. There is clover mixed through the sward.


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