Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I would agree. Mistakes were made, but overall, I thought the government did as well as could be expected and NPHET was/is very necessary as an authoritative source during a pandemic.

This is just patently untrue.

For example, I would be confident in saying that any halfway competent government last March would have listened to all the people pointing out that nursing homes were badly at risk and taken some steps to mitigate that risk.

Instead we had Holohan telling staff not to wear masks and insisting that visitors did not bring covid and so should be encouraged. In the end, completely unsurprisingly, the vast majority of deaths and illnesses came from nursing homes and other healthcare settings.

Our government totally failed with regards to nursing homes when it was such an obvious thing that needed attention, you cannot possibly say they did "as well as can be expected" when there are such obvious and basic failures right there to be seen.

Just booked a holiday for early September. Get in before they announce the return of international travel , got it fairly cheap.

Amazing that I went to Portugal last July not a bother, but a year later, with over 2 million vaccinated its harder to go on holidays.

Cork2021 wrote: »

Okay actually lost my shît listening to this prick! What in the name of god has he been reading!!! Our government are idiots and that includes all TDs!!! We’ll never ever get out of this of crap like this is being talked about in the Dail! And without facts!!!

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1397181624287105031?s=21

This is actually baffling, there has been 0 proof that AZ is less effective in stopping the Indian variant.

Pure and utter scaremongering.

is_that_so wrote: »

https://twitter.com/davidmurphyRTE/status/1397133120525193219

I honestly have no idea who she is, but to be honest I also think, especially now that we might be in "endgame", that those powers should not be extended by 6 months in one go. Extend them for 4-6 weeks every time until it's not necessary anymore. If they because a necessity again, they can be granted again, but we should not extend them "just in case".

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I did say that "mistakes were made". Perhaps you were reading too quickly. Regardless, having observed other governments' performance during the pandemic, I remain convinced that our government did relatively well overall.

So apart from all the basic mistakes that cost lives they did well.

To be honest, whatever about doing well, I think you would be hard pressed to explain what they actually did at all. What did they do? Or more succinctly, what did they do that a cardboard cutout of Micheal Martin couldn't have done just as well?

Remember, lock everything down until somebody else finds a vaccine isnt a plan, it's what you do when you don't know what to do...

stephenjmcd wrote: »

365 cases, obviously subject to change etc

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1397225668648263685?s=19

Nice stable numbers. Vaccine effect has offset any increase from re-opening of intercounty travel. Decent chance that case numbers will fall a bit between now and the next phase of re-opening on 2nd/7th June, as vaccine effect gathers pace.

muddypuppy wrote: »

I honestly have no idea who she is, but to be honest I also think, especially now that we might be in "endgame", that those powers should not be extended by 6 months in one go. Extend them for 4-6 weeks every time until it's not necessary anymore. If they because a necessity again, they can be granted again, but we should not extend them "just in case".

I’d agree with her. It’s disproportionate. They should be reviewed and renewed only if needed, monthly or every 6 weeks. It’s at best lazy.

OK, so we have the DoH daily report of Covid cases: 365 (subject to revision)

I know that the HSE IT hacking crisis is preventing a lot of information being published. But the DoH, HSE, NPHET and all the other official actors continue to make policy recommendations and decisions. What information do they have? There is no new daily vaccination rollout data, even though we are told that the programme is proceeding normally. We have no regular information on the local (LEA) incidence of Covid, but there are media reports of higher than "normal" levels in Limerick.

If the powers that be have as little information as they publish, are they flying blind? My guess is they have much more than they publish, albeit the accuracy levels are not quite as high as before the hack. Why keep the public in the dark to such an extent?

The mushroom theory of public administration is alive and well: "Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em s**t".

Economics101 wrote: »

OK, so we have the DoH daily report of Covid cases: 365 (subject to revision)

I know that the HSE IT hacking crisis is preventing a lot of information being published. But the DoH, HSE, NPHET and all the other official actors continue to make policy recommendations and decisions. What information do they have? There is no new daily vaccination rollout data, even though we are told that the programme is proceeding normally. We have no regular information on the local (LEA) incidence of Covid, but there are media reports of higher than "normal" levels in Limerick.

If the powers that be have as little information as they publish, are they flying blind? My guess is they have much more than they publish, albeit the accuracy levels are not quite as high as before the hack. Why keep the public in the dark to such an extent?

The mushroom theory of public administration is alive and well: "Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em s**t".

That data is coming from swabs, which are reliable after a fashion, none of the rest of it can be processed fully until the HSE IT situation has been remedied. We also know the hospital numbers and roughly how many vaccines have been administered, all the rest is for data junkies. What exact decisions do you imagine they are making on the fly?

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

That was mostly about border sanitary controls and short sharp get it out of the system lockdown, in few weeks and reopen to New Zealand like normality. It’s not something anyone was really willing to do though.

They weren’t advocating months and months and months and months of restrictions in that. Rather the complete opposite.

We went for the slow and painful approach, along with the rest of Europe.

NPHET called that short sharp shock approach a false hope, especially given we are not an isolated rock in the Pacific.

Mike3549 wrote: »

There was a shortage of masks, if public bought them, there woyld be none left for hcw

So let people spread and catch it more really 🀔

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Zero covid would require months of a very strict lockdown. She was asking for it back in march of this year.

We basically had months of a very strict lockdown anyway. I don’t really see much difference tbh.

We seem to have managed to roll with both widespread infections and a rather miserable lockdown that lasted months and months and months.

We haven’t been able to go beyond 5km from our house for much of the year, then only within counties, international travel is still basically banned.

So I’m not sure how worse it could have been.

faolteam wrote: »

Once again folks can anybody kindly tell me here why the daily deaths are not been Announced, ?

The HSE IT issue.