Why so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland?

Grab All Association · 24-05-2021 04:34AM

Automatic gearbox is also putting a lot of people off them. Manual hybrids are possible. The Corolla isn’t doing too well either. They sold a number of 1.6ltr non hybrid petrol Corollas to former Avensis drivers then discontinued.

I’d never have a Corolla as my own car, but I do respect it. Plain boring on steel wheels, it doesn’t matter if the dog with alopecia destroys the seats, the Lidl trolley scratches the paint work etc. They are generally reliable yolks like the avensis.

People are buying plastic and tin Hyundai’s. The car for people who can no longer sexually perform in the bedroom and are stuck in some menial public service position. Embarrassing a first world country buying Hyundai’s. I had a friend of mine from Topeka Kansas (one of the most deprived cities and state in America) come over a few years ago and literally rofl that Thurles Gardai had those bangers. Crown Victorias and interceptors used there.

Funny back in 2015 a brand new Hyundai broke down on Liberty square and the gardai were stuck sitting in it for 45 minutes. Rant over.

I will never respect them or anyone who owns one of those vehicles. Remember the accent? Coming down kilinan hill in thurles in a 1997 accent I had borrowed (first and last time I ever drove one) and the gearstick literally comes apart in my hand almost having a truck smash into the back of me. Every time I see a truck transporting these bangers I wish it crashes and writes them all off

Rant over, I swear

Edit: I know people who got stung bad in the late 1990s trading in their perfectly good Nissan Sunny’s and Sierras for those bangers. You don’t see any accents on the roads etc. They started off as scam. Remember going to a scrapyard near Nenagh to get parts for a Vauxhall Cavalier circa 2003 and seeing 1997/8 Hyundai’s abandoned. Hyundai should’ve been run out the country at that time.

Brian Scan · 24-05-2021 07:50AM

Grab All Association wrote: »

Automatic gearbox is also putting a lot of people off them. Manual hybrids are possible. The Corolla isn’t doing too well either. They sold a number of 1.6ltr non hybrid petrol Corollas to former Avensis drivers then discontinued.

I’d never have a Corolla as my own car, but I do respect it. Plain boring on steel wheels, it doesn’t matter if the dog with alopecia destroys the seats, the Lidl trolley scratches the paint work etc. They are generally reliable yolks like the avensis.

People are buying plastic and tin Hyundai’s. The car for people who can no longer sexually perform in the bedroom and are stuck in some menial public service position. Embarrassing a first world country buying Hyundai’s. I had a friend of mine from Topeka Kansas (one of the most deprived cities and state in America) come over a few years ago and literally rofl that Thurles Gardai had those bangers. Crown Victorias and interceptors used there.

Funny back in 2015 a brand new Hyundai broke down on Liberty square and the gardai were stuck sitting in it for 45 minutes. Rant over.

I will never respect them or anyone who owns one of those vehicles. Remember the accent? Coming down kilinan hill in thurles in a 1997 accent I had borrowed (first and last time I ever drove one) and the gearstick literally comes apart in my hand almost having a truck smash into the back of me. Every time I see a truck transporting these bangers I wish it crashes and writes them all off

Rant over, I swear

Edit: I know people who got stung bad in the late 1990s trading in their perfectly good Nissan Sunny’s and Sierras for those bangers. You don’t see any accents on the roads etc. They started off as scam. Remember going to a scrapyard near Nenagh to get parts for a Vauxhall Cavalier circa 2003 and seeing 1997/8 Hyundai’s abandoned. Hyundai should’ve been run out the country at that time.

Yeah, I always check what type of car a person drives before I decide whether or not I respect him or her.

24-05-2021 07:52AM

Brian Scan wrote: »

Yeah, I always check what type of car a person drives before I decide whether or not I respect him or her.

But they all work menial public service jobs and can't get it up.

colm_mcm · 24-05-2021 07:59AM

Grab All Association wrote: »

Automatic gearbox is also putting a lot of people off them. Manual hybrids are possible. The Corolla isn’t doing too well either. They sold a number of 1.6ltr non hybrid petrol Corollas to former Avensis drivers then discontinued.

I’d never have a Corolla as my own car, but I do respect it. Plain boring on steel wheels, it doesn’t matter if the dog with alopecia destroys the seats, the Lidl trolley scratches the paint work etc. They are generally reliable yolks like the avensis.

People are buying plastic and tin Hyundai’s. The car for people who can no longer sexually perform in the bedroom and are stuck in some menial public service position. Embarrassing a first world country buying Hyundai’s. I had a friend of mine from Topeka Kansas (one of the most deprived cities and state in America) come over a few years ago and literally rofl that Thurles Gardai had those bangers. Crown Victorias and interceptors used there.

Funny back in 2015 a brand new Hyundai broke down on Liberty square and the gardai were stuck sitting in it for 45 minutes. Rant over.

I will never respect them or anyone who owns one of those vehicles. Remember the accent? Coming down kilinan hill in thurles in a 1997 accent I had borrowed (first and last time I ever drove one) and the gearstick literally comes apart in my hand almost having a truck smash into the back of me. Every time I see a truck transporting these bangers I wish it crashes and writes them all off

Rant over, I swear

Edit: I know people who got stung bad in the late 1990s trading in their perfectly good Nissan Sunny’s and Sierras for those bangers. You don’t see any accents on the roads etc. They started off as scam. Remember going to a scrapyard near Nenagh to get parts for a Vauxhall Cavalier circa 2003 and seeing 1997/8 Hyundai’s abandoned. Hyundai should’ve been run out the country at that time.

Corolla was the top selling car in Ireland last year, and is second highest seller this year - after the Tucson

They’re selling more saloon Corollas than hatchbacks too, going totally against the trend.

Every single one this year and last was a hybrid. That’s fair going.

Hurrache · 24-05-2021 09:40AM

We had a Camry in the car pool for a while. I ordinarily have no need to use anything from it but got the Camry for a week last year. It's a miserable cheap place inside, the cabin and dash has a really dated and crappy feel. Even the boot lid felt quite cheap and tinny.

ELM327 · 24-05-2021 10:48AM

jetsonx wrote: »

What kind of SUVS and cars do Karens drive?

2WD ones with "baby on board" stickers.

jetsonx · 24-05-2021 11:49AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Tucsons.

Always.

ELM327 wrote: »

2WD ones with "baby on board" stickers.

I'm getting a very good picture of the type of driver.

As Christmas time, she will put a little pair of antlers on each side of the Tuscon. This, and along with the baby on board sticker, is to signal to people what a great fun personality she has...

ba_barabus · 24-05-2021 12:24PM

I'm fully planning on my next car being a Camry. Took one out for a long drive before and absolutely loved it. I can't understand half the criticisms here.

coylemj · 24-05-2021 12:36PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

I'm fully planning on my next car being a Camry. Took one out for a long drive before and absolutely loved it. I can't understand half the criticisms here.

But as a relatively unloved (in Ireland) model, you need to carefully plan your exit strategy.

Not a problem with a Corolla but a major headache if you're trying to get rid of a Camry.

There's a reason that certain models of secondhand cars are popular with taxi drivers, one of them is steep depreciation.

ba_barabus · 24-05-2021 12:43PM

coylemj wrote: »

But as a relatively unloved (in Ireland) model, you need to carefully plan your exit strategy.

I've owned several Alfa's, Rovers, Renaults, Citroen and poorly built cars like VW's before and never had any issue selling them after.

pippip · 24-05-2021 01:15PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

I've owned several Alfa's, Rovers, Renaults, Citroen and poorly built cars like VW's before and never had any issue giving them away after.

corrected that for you :pac:

But seriously, there's no denying those makes over the years bought new suffer serious deprecation compared to others. Bought used isn't as bad.

Larbre34 · 24-05-2021 01:16PM

Camrys are too expensive for what they are, too impractical for their footprint size, pleasant enough but not distinctive enough looking for discerning customers and what I think is the most noticeable mark against it - the price walk to the Lexus ES, which is the same car under the luxury, is minimal.

Although, I think the Highlander, which is the big SUV based on the Camry chassis, will now sell pretty well here.

maddness · 24-05-2021 01:26PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Tucsons.

Always.

Mostly in white…

mikeorange · 24-05-2021 01:26PM

coylemj wrote: »

But as a relatively unloved (in Ireland) model, you need to carefully plan your exit strategy.

Not a problem with a Corolla but a major headache if you're trying to get rid of a Camry.

There's a reason that certain models of secondhand cars are popular with taxi drivers, one of them is steep depreciation.

Corolla are a dog to drive though

Camera with it's 2.5l, 215bhp and CVT box is much better in comparison.

I'd take one over a problematic noisy 520D

24-05-2021 01:31PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

..........

Although, I think the Highlander, which is the big SUV based on the Camry chassis, will now sell pretty well here.

Aren't they €65k ish?
It'll be interesting to see how popular they are alright..... a BMW X5 xDrive45e xLine almost 400bhp yoke is the low €80k..... makes the highlander look terrible value IMO with the 2.5 etc etc ....... accepting the price difference etc

spitonmedickie · 24-05-2021 01:33PM

After a heap of trouble with a Passat bought a new Corolla saloon after leaving Dublin and embracing my return to my farming roots. If I got it for a decent price my next car might be a Camry (got used to the bigger car with the Passat) but it'd want to be a seriously good deal. Not sure I'd buy second hand again and as other said the Camry is a chunk of change new so the Corolla might just have to be driven into the ground and then see what's available in 10+ years.

spitonmedickie · 24-05-2021 01:36PM

Augeo wrote: »

Aren't they €65k ish?
It'll be interesting to see how popular they are alright..... a BMW X5 xDrive45e xLine almost 400bhp yoke is the low €80k..... makes the highlander look terrible value IMO with the 2.5 etc etc ....... accepting the price difference etc

€76k for the top spec one which seems very saucy.

jetsonx · 24-05-2021 01:43PM

spitonmedickie wrote: »

After a heap of trouble with a Passat

what kind of issues?

24-05-2021 01:48PM

spitonmedickie wrote: »

€76k for the top spec one which seems very saucy.

With the Landcruiser BUSINESS - LWB AUTO (5 SEATS – N1 CLASSIFIED) €68,613 Ex VAT I'm not sure there's much market for the Highlander to plunder in the 65/75k range.

7 seater sorento is under 60k.

R.O.R · 24-05-2021 01:52PM

A huge number of the vehicles sold in the sector the Camry is targetting, are sold to Fleets. With no VAT reclaim on Petrol, the running costs on a Camry are going to be substantially higher than a Diesel, unless it's doing tiny mileage, so there's little or no demand.

spitonmedickie · 24-05-2021 01:52PM

jetsonx wrote: »

what kind of issues?

Electrics and sensors. Niggly stuff like the radio freezing on and off was annoying but used get warning lights and trips to the garage more regular than I liked. Front radar related a few times from memory and at the end airbags meant I got towed and I decided I wanted rid.

24-05-2021 01:53PM

I'm quite happy with my €750 Alfa Romeo GT..

ineedeuro · 24-05-2021 01:55PM

My neighbour bought one. Was one of the first to buy when they got released. Car was absolutely beautiful and really a massive step up in quality compared to his older Toyota. It was really easy on petrol, really comfy etc. Big boot.
He traded in this year, he buys from same garage etc all the time and was shocked at the value of his car. Toyota told him "It's not a SUV". Funny enough he was swapping to the new RAV.

The market in Ireland is following the US market and SUV/Crossover is the direction

For anyone buying one, they are an exception car which you should be able to drive a bargain because they ain't a SUV

ba_barabus · 24-05-2021 02:02PM

R.O.R wrote: »

A huge number of the vehicles sold in the sector the Camry is targetting, are sold to Fleets. With no VAT reclaim on Petrol, the running costs on a Camry are going to be substantially higher than a Diesel, unless it's doing tiny mileage, so there's little or no demand.

For a private buyer would the running costs be ok?

jetsonx · 24-05-2021 02:04PM

spitonmedickie wrote: »

Electrics and sensors. Niggly stuff like the radio freezing on and off

How do VW expect to go driverless if they can't even get a radio right...

R.O.R · 24-05-2021 02:15PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

For a private buyer would the running costs be ok?

Service / Maintenance and fuel should be OK. I'd worry about depreciation if buying new though.

24-05-2021 02:15PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

For a private buyer would the running costs be ok?

IMO they'd be grand if 45mpg was ok for you.
Toyota don't fleece people like Lexus do with their charges for the annual hybrid health check

TOYOTA CAMRY HYBRID SOL 4DR AUTO
Hybrid Intermediate Service €170
Due every 15,000/45,000/75,000/105,000/135,000/165,000 KM

Hybrid Full Service €280
Due every 30,000/60,000/120,000 KM :

Hybrid Full + Service €360
Due every 90,000/150,000/180,000 KM

Hybrid Health Check €50

I'd happily throw one that's out of warranty at any trusted indy tbh.

ba_barabus · 24-05-2021 02:24PM

R.O.R wrote: »

Service / Maintenance and fuel should be OK. I'd worry about depreciation if buying new though.

TBH If I bought new I'd be holding it until it fell apart, and probably the same if buying used. If it's reliable and as suggested above 45mpg is possible I'd take that. Currently have a 2013 Avensis with 200k km which I quite like, the Corolla saloon is a bit small to me.

elperello · 24-05-2021 02:33PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

TBH If I bought new I'd be holding it until it fell apart, and probably the same if buying used. If it's reliable and as suggested above 45mpg is possible I'd take that. Currently have a 2013 Avensis with 200k km which I quite like, the Corolla saloon is a bit small to me.

I was just looking at them on Donedeal.

All the current model second hand Camrys are advertised by Toyota dealers so it's hard to know what the real world value of them is.

I'd say if you got one with low mileage for about 30k there should be 10 years in it at average mileage.

By then you'll be buying something with a plug anyway so a 2.5 petrol might be a good swansong as you say farewell to the ICE.

coylemj · 24-05-2021 02:35PM

ba_barabus wrote: »

For a private buyer would the running costs be ok?

Annual tax will be a killer.

Why so few Toyota Camrys sold in Ireland?

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