The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

Joe_ Public · 15-05-2021 10:07pm

I think you'd have to be happy enough with a point in the circumstances. Wont win many games with that level of accuracy, felt we got away with it a bit, think they'll be a lot more upset than us tbh. Quite pleased to see Cathal putting in a really strong finish, thats more like it from him and Barry Heff has got such a cool head on him, can just about play anywhere 2 to 9 i think. Bubbles and John looked dangerous whenever they got decent service, which was all too rare, just the radar was slightly off tonight. Flynn made an impact for sure.

formerlyET · 15-05-2021 10:27pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I think you'd have to be happy enough with a point in the circumstances. Wont win many games with that level of accuracy, felt we got away with it a bit, think they'll be a lot more upset than us tbh. Quite pleased to see Cathal putting in a really strong finish, thats more like it from him and Barry Heff has got such a cool head on him, can just about play anywhere 2 to 9 i think. Bubbles and John looked dangerous whenever they got decent service, which was all too rare, just the radar was slightly off tonight. Flynn made an impact for sure.

Had 17 wides and still weren't beat was the major positive I guess.

A lot of shadow boxing going on though, methinks.

I'd like to see someone else other than N O'M and Jake get a run. See what else we have.

15-05-2021 11:41pm

A bit of shadow boxing still going on. Dont care if we don't win the league tbh, but id like to see us try out more young players. Most of our team tonight played in (or were at least on the panel for) the final in 2014.

Hopefully Quirke, Caddell, Kehoe, might be started next week. Is there even relegation in the league this year?

Ompala · 15-05-2021 11:52pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A bit of shadow boxing still going on. Dont care if we don't win the league tbh, but id like to see us try out more young players. Most of our team tonight played in (or were at least on the panel for) the final in 2014.

Hopefully Quirke, Caddell, Kehoe, might be started next week. Is there even relegation in the league this year?

Agreed - final standing in the league doesn't worry me. With all due respect, I'd be shocked if we didn't beat Westmeath. But we need to give the younger lads s good proper run out, not just the last 10 minutes. I do think Brian McGrath is settling in well. And a monster point for us too in this game.

formerlyET · 16-05-2021 6:05pm

Galway looked a sharp outfit today. Good test ahead.

Ompala · 16-05-2021 9:38pm

formerlyET wrote: »

Galway looked a sharp outfit today. Good test ahead.

Themselves and Limerick are our two bogey teams. We played our best bit of hurling against them last year, and looked good for the win until the red card. They are set up similarly to Limerick, so will be a good try out to see how to play against teams more physical than us. Lumping high ball is not the answer.

farmerval · 16-05-2021 11:03pm

Ompala wrote: »

Themselves and Limerick are our two bogey teams. We played our best bit of hurling against them last year, and looked good for the win until the red card. They are set up similarly to Limerick, so will be a good try out to see how to play against teams more physical than us. Lumping high ball is not the answer.

Bizarre that our full back line all scored.
The ball into our forwards has been very disappointing. When we come out of the half backline with the ball, we seem to strike it long, most other teams are taking it on a bit further before delivering it.
Saw a chart before last years all Ireland, balls delivered from inside the opposition 65, from behind their own 65 and inside their own 45. The drop off in ball retention on the longer distances was huge. I think we have an issue in that we lack a link man in midfield at the moment.

formerlyET · 16-05-2021 11:23pm

farmerval wrote: »

Bizarre that our full back line all scored.
The ball into our forwards has been very disappointing. When we come out of the half backline with the ball, we seem to strike it long, most other teams are taking it on a bit further before delivering it.
Saw a chart before last years all Ireland, balls delivered from inside the opposition 65, from behind their own 65 and inside their own 45. The drop off in ball retention on the longer distances was huge. I think we have an issue in that we lack a link man in midfield at the moment.

Our ball delivery has gone from a strength in 2019 to non-existent. I wonder if it's the circumstances of the league - no prep - playing a new way - or boxing clever. Surely it can't be that bad all of a sudden? Maybe it is.

robbiezero · 17-05-2021 9:53am

formerlyET wrote: »

Our ball delivery has gone from a strength in 2019 to non-existent. I wonder if it's the circumstances of the league - no prep - playing a new way - or boxing clever. Surely it can't be that bad all of a sudden? Maybe it is.

I think Callanan is a big loss here. He has a bit of toe to lose his man and makes very clever runs.

Not being at the matches, its hard to tell if its the delivery is the problem (at times it quite certainly is) or the forwards inside not able to create or get themselves into space.

My feeling is that we have put a lot of focus on work rate and physicality for the moment and that we possibly have not that much hurling done. We seem very "workmanlike" at the moment.

As an aside I wasn't surprised at Galway beating Limerick. watched them v Westmeath the week before and while Westmeath were weak, I was surprised at how sharp their hurling was. Big test for us next weekend. We will almost certainly need to up our scoring rate to keep with them.

farmerval · 17-05-2021 7:52pm

We definitely seem to be more about stopping our opponents that playing to our own strengths right now.
Galway will be another big physical test. It is disappointing so far with really only Brian McGrath of the younger brigade getting a serious look in (although he's looking like the read deal)
I thought Barry Heffernan was outstanding yesterday. Really turning into a leader in the team.
I'm puzzled around Ronan being at wing back. We had three very slow half backs Saturday night. With Noel in midfield we are definitely not speedy team around the middle.

formerlyET · 17-05-2021 8:15pm

farmerval wrote: »

We definitely seem to be more about stopping our opponents that playing to our own strengths right now.
Galway will be another big physical test. It is disappointing so far with really only Brian McGrath of the younger brigade getting a serious look in (although he's looking like the read deal)
I thought Barry Heffernan was outstanding yesterday. Really turning into a leader in the team.
I'm puzzled around Ronan being at wing back. We had three very slow half backs Saturday night. With Noel in midfield we are definitely not speedy team around the middle.

Well, Brian McGrath is not fast either. It has never been about pace with this team.

Even Callanan has a hell of a lot more going for him than pace.

It'll be interesting to see how this develops because the game plan Tipp are now trying to implement could prove to be obsolete with the new focus on persistent fouling and stamping it out of the game.

formerlyET · 17-05-2021 8:22pm

robbiezero wrote: »

I think Callanan is a big loss here. He has a bit of toe to lose his man and makes very clever runs.

Not being at the matches, its hard to tell if its the delivery is the problem (at times it quite certainly is) or the forwards inside not able to create or get themselves into space.

My feeling is that we have put a lot of focus on work rate and physicality for the moment and that we possibly have not that much hurling done. We seem very "workmanlike" at the moment.

As an aside I wasn't surprised at Galway beating Limerick. watched them v Westmeath the week before and while Westmeath were weak, I was surprised at how sharp their hurling was. Big test for us next weekend. We will almost certainly need to up our scoring rate to keep with them.

For sure, Callanan is a captain and has been a senior figure in two all-ireland wins. He's our goal scorer and chief threat from play.

I'd imagine the hard fitness is being done right now. But tactics look to be defence first and a new style of football hurling.

Looking at Galway, and the pep in their step, there's a spring to them. Given Sheedy's conservative approach to selection, we could be looking at more or less the same side in the third game in 21 days. That not only risks a tired team but injuries. He must be careful here.

To be honest, I think we're looking at 8 to 12 point clipping from Galway. They had a training session first time out (with respect to Westmeath) and just had a huge confidence boosting win. They're hopping off the ground.

robbiezero · 17-05-2021 10:28pm

farmerval wrote: »

We definitely seem to be more about stopping our opponents that playing to our own strengths right now.
Galway will be another big physical test. It is disappointing so far with really only Brian McGrath of the younger brigade getting a serious look in (although he's looking like the read deal)
I thought Barry Heffernan was outstanding yesterday. Really turning into a leader in the team.
I'm puzzled around Ronan being at wing back. We had three very slow half backs Saturday night. With Noel in midfield we are definitely not speedy team around the middle.

I think the half back line is his best position. His radar was a bit off on Saturday, but normally he is a super long distance shooter and excellent in the air. He also has a great delivery into the forward line and is good to switch the play. There is certainly a point about pace, but he doesn't get exposed too often. I'd be happy enough with us defensively so far, have had some costly mistakes, but solid enough.

In terms of the younger players, its a strange one, possibly they aren't doing it in training, but Mark Kehoe was deemed good enough to start in our first championship game last year, but was taken off and seems to have completely slipped down the pecking order now.
Jake is probably the best prospect of that young brigade, but he still has by no means nailed down a starting spot yet. Its a tough one for the management, our proven players need game time also, but we badly need some new blood.

FoFo1254122 · 18-05-2021 8:34pm

i am happy enough with last 2 games - galway is our last game before waterford/clare semi
westmeath is a no win situation and waterford in last game will be a puck around as neither will want to show anything.

when you remove Limerick from the equation who i think are slight favorites for the all ireland - i think its very open and anyone from tipp cork waterford galway kilkenny and wexford could win it out.

Galway a good test and hopefully we can get a win

Podge1972 · 20-05-2021 6:27pm

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1:43 - Tipp Football review with James Williams,Tipperary Secretary
9:54 - Sean's Local Paper Review with Éamonn Wynne from the Nationalist
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formerlyET · 21-05-2021 12:35am

Team News

Galway (Allianz HL Div 1A v Tipperary): E Murphy; D Morrissey, D Burke, TJ Brennan; A Tuohey, P Mannion, A Harte; J Canning, J Coen; J Cooney, J Flynn, C Cooney; B Concannon, K Cooney, C Whelan.

formerlyET · 21-05-2021 8:59pm

5 changes from the Cork game - disappointed Barry Hogan hasn't been kept on - however, over to Brian Hogan to see what he can do again.
Seamus Kennedy, Jason Forde, Cathal Barrett, Bary Heff, Ronan Maher are asked to go again - third week in a row - (I don't like it - asking for trouble.)

Brian Hogan
Cathal Barrett
Padraic Maher
Barry Heffernan
Robert Byrne
Seamus Kennedy
Ronan Maher
Alan Flynn
Paddy Cadell
Dan McCormack
Noel McGrath
Dillon Quirke
John O'Dwyer
Jason Forde
John McGrath

Rasputin11 · 22-05-2021 11:46am

Bonner has done his Achilles, he's had a sickening run of injuries. Probably won't see him in a Tipp jersey again. If any man ever deserved to walk off to an ovation it would have been him.

Boggerman12 · 22-05-2021 11:53am

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Bonner has done his Achilles, he's had a sickening run of injuries. Probably won't see him in a Tipp jersey again. If any man ever deserved to walk off to an ovation it would have been him.

Terrible for the man after his coming back from the cruciate one.what a servant for tipp.when he was in full flight tipp did well.hopefully he gets a chance of that ovation he richly deserves.h’on the bonner

formerlyET · 22-05-2021 12:03pm

That's rough. Terrible news. If anyone can come back from it, Bonner can.

formerlyET · 22-05-2021 2:44pm

Might want to take off Forde - looks like he is carrying an injury

robbiezero · 22-05-2021 3:08pm

robbiezero wrote: »

I think the half back line is his best position. His radar was a bit off on Saturday, but normally he is a super long distance shooter and excellent in the air. He also has a great delivery into the forward line and is good to switch the play. There is certainly a point about pace, but he doesn't get exposed too often. I'd be happy enough with us defensively so far, have had some costly mistakes, but solid enough.

In terms of the younger players, its a strange one, possibly they aren't doing it in training, but Mark Kehoe was deemed good enough to start in our first championship game last year, but was taken off and seems to have completely slipped down the pecking order now.
Jake is probably the best prospect of that young brigade, but he still has by no means nailed down a starting spot yet. Its a tough one for the management, our proven players need game time also, but we badly need some new blood.

I don't often agree with myself, but we saw today why it would be great if we could afford to leave Ronan out wing back.

Pogue eile · 22-05-2021 3:41pm

robbiezero wrote: »

I don't often agree with myself, but we saw today why it would be great if we could afford to leave Ronan out wing back.

I don't think any of the Tipp backs will be left in one posiiton for the year, it will be horses for courses, Barrett posibly the only one who wont rotate.

Ompala · 22-05-2021 3:47pm

Thought ot was an improvement from the Cork game, we still have a lot to work on with shooting and conceding easy frees (the Mahers were particularly guilty). John McGraths form is worrying. On the plus, I think there was an improvement in use of the ball working it up the pitch and trying to spread the play across the field, rather than playing long ball the whole game. Would have left Cadell on, thought he did well.

robbiezero · 22-05-2021 3:49pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

I don't think any of the Tipp backs will be left in one posiiton for the year, it will be horses for courses, Barrett posibly the only one who wont rotate.

Probably not, but I'd like to see him played out in the half back line as much as possible. Very effective there.

Mantis Toboggan · 22-05-2021 4:31pm

Nice to see us back out in the bloody Sunday Jersey.

22-05-2021 7:45pm

formerlyET wrote: »

That's rough. Terrible news. If anyone can come back from it, Bonner can.

God I was gutted to hear the news. No one has soldiered as strong for us as the Bonnar the past 12 years or so.

Wish him a speedy recovery.

22-05-2021 7:47pm

A good day for the Premier overall today. Hurlers rallied well and got stuck when it was in the melting pot. Didnt catch much of the football but nice to see us back in the Grangemockler colours today. Proving lucky for us. 2 from 2 in white and green

formerlyET · 22-05-2021 10:07pm

Sheedy on Bonner (Bonner was winning the sprints in training - pushing himself to the limit as usual)

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1396117281982361601?s=20

Podge1972 · 24-05-2021 10:46am

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Mantis Toboggan · 25-05-2021 2:13pm

What's your midfield pairing for championship?

Rasputin11 · 25-05-2021 2:58pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

What's your midfield pairing for championship?

I'd go with Dan and Brendan. Flynn isn't mobile enough and I'd like to see Breen at half forward, he's one of the few real athletes that we have.

Barry Hogan
Barrett Paudie Heff
O Mara Kennedy Ronan
Brendan Maher Dan
Breen Noel O Meara
Bubbles Forde Callanan, if fit.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-05-2021 3:01pm

Callanan needs to get back soon hopefully for the Westmeath game, we saw in 2018 when he missed most of the league he never really got going in the championship.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-05-2021 3:04pm

Rasputin11 wrote: »

I'd go with Dan and Brendan. Flynn isn't mobile enough and I'd like to see Breen at half forward, he's one of the few real athletes that we have.

Barry Hogan
Barrett Paudie Heff
O Mara Kennedy Ronan
Brendan Maher Dan
Breen Noel O Meara
Bubbles Forde Callanan, if fit.

I wouldn't have OMara in there, don't think he's ready especially with that injury. I'd have Brendan back at wing back, Breen and Flynn in the middle and Dan on the wing.

robbiezero · 25-05-2021 3:12pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

What's your midfield pairing for championship?

I'd like to see another bit of Cadell and would be hoping he could push for a spot here.
The ideal lad would be Breen, has all the attributes, but just really struggles to get on the ball in some games.
I think Noel doesn't have the legs any more for it.
I want Brendan back at half back with Kennedy and Ronan beside him.
Dan is probably going to end up there, which is not ideal, I'd rather have him at wing forward, most of the top teams have a scoring wing back that needs to be watched.
Not really convinced that Flynn is up to this level as a starter, certainly a good sub though.
Connors hasn't played a full game there often enough to judge and for me seems to do better off the bench.
We need O'Meara nearer the goal as he is a good man to take on a lad and go direct for goal and its something we lack a bit of in the other forwards (Bonner was a great lad for this also)

To sum up, I haven't a clue to be honest. If we can get Cadell motoring there it would be a massive boost and avoid us having to relocate some other player from a more favoured position like Brendan or Dan or both.

Joe_ Public · 25-05-2021 3:20pm

I think it will be Flynn/Breen probably, to start anyway. Would ideally prefer to see Dan there but with bonner out, they might decide his physical presence is more required further forward.

One of my main hopes is for cadell to take a leap forward and make an impact this year, if just from the bench. It's his ideal position i think, the more experience he gets, the more confident and effective he will become.

formerlyET · 25-05-2021 6:29pm

Did a ref write an article in The Examiner and mention how Brian O'Mara got injured? Anyone got a link?

Rasputin11 · 25-05-2021 6:33pm

formerlyET wrote: »

Did a ref write an article in The Examiner and mention how Brian O'Mara got injured? Anyone got a link?

Gavin said that Hayes got away with a cheap shot in The Examiner but O Mara picked up the injury very early in the match. The late chop seemed to compound the problem.

formerlyET · 25-05-2021 6:44pm

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Gavin said that Hayes got away with a cheap shot in The Examiner but O Mara picked up the injury very early in the match. The late chop seemed to compound the problem.

Ah, right. I see it now:

"They were fortunate Kyle Hayes wasn’t punished more severely for a nasty chop on Bryan O’Meara."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40285181.html

I tell you one thing, Will O'Donoghue's pull on Noel McGrath at the start of the second half in the Gaelic Grounds last year was bad.

Rasputin11 · 25-05-2021 7:01pm

formerlyET wrote: »

Ah, right. I see it now:

"They were fortunate Kyle Hayes wasn’t punished more severely for a nasty chop on Bryan O’Meara."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40285181.html

I tell you one thing, Will O'Donoghue's pull on Noel McGrath at the start of the second half in the Gaelic Grounds last year was bad.

Saint Joe pulled a nice one on the back of Forde's legs on Saturday, Forde played on and made little of it. Mannion rolled around looking to get Noel McGrath in trouble after a harmless incident. Tg4 poured over the replays but Pat Fleury didn't think much of it.

formerlyET · 25-05-2021 7:03pm

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Saint Joe pulled a nice one on the back of Forde's legs on Saturday, Forde played on and made little of it. Mannion rolled around looking to get Noel McGrath in trouble after a harmless incident. Tg4 poured over the replays but Pat Fleury didn't think much of it.

I saw Forde hobbling alright. I was hoping they'd take him off rather than risk an injury.

MfMan · 25-05-2021 10:33pm

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Saint Joe pulled a nice one on the back of Forde's legs on Saturday, Forde played on and made little of it. Mannion rolled around looking to get Noel McGrath in trouble after a harmless incident. Tg4 poured over the replays but Pat Fleury didn't think much of it.

Noel McGrath did the same on Mannion during the second half. Swings and roundabouts.

newhouse87 · 26-05-2021 3:29am

MfMan wrote: »

Noel McGrath did the same on Mannion during the second half. Swings and roundabouts.

What was mannions reaction compared to fordes?

formerlyET · 26-05-2021 12:17pm

Former All-Ireland winning Tipperary hurler Johnny Everard has passed away at the age of 97.
Everard, also an accomplished footballer, won a Munster junior football title with Tipp in 1952.

Moyorris · 26-05-2021 7:01pm

Is Jerry Kelly(Borrisleigh)being considered.

Rasputin11 · 26-05-2021 8:17pm

Moyorris wrote: »

Is Jerry Kelly(Borrisleigh)being considered.

I heard Ormonde, Ray McCormack and Gearoid O Connor in doing a bit with them.

Podge1972 · 29-05-2021 9:20pm

Match report of the Offaly game here.

https://thepremierviewpodcast.com/offaly-stun-tipp-in-last-20

29-05-2021 9:49pm

I suppose when digesting the football result today, to be fair to Tipperary we have had a lot of losses in personnel since last year that would gut any team. One of the most lethal forwards in the game (Quinny), one of the best midfielders (O'Riordan), and also outstanding servants like Austin and Liam Casey. Im probably forgetting a few more.

Mantis Toboggan · 29-05-2021 10:07pm

Watched it earlier on gaa go, played well in spurts but ultimately well beaten by a better team, some really poor play at times and not for first time appeared to run out of legs towards the end really does seem to be a fitness issue currently. Current form would suggest an al merciful hammering against kerry.

29-05-2021 11:26pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Watched it earlier on gaa go, played well in spurts but ultimately well beaten by a better team, some really poor play at times and not for first time appeared to run out of legs towards the end really does seem to be a fitness issue currently. Current form would suggest an al merciful hammering against kerry.

We are up against it against Kerry even in the best form. To be fair though, we could be doing heavy training hence the drop-off toward the end of the match. I don't really expect we'll beat Kerry, but it would be great to get a performance on the day.

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