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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #1742
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    There'll always be busy bodies wanting other people to do xyz. This nonsense shouldn't be given weight by being discussed. Not even here.


  • #1743
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Most people don't like being squashed in a pub.
    Then why did so many people repeatedly do it in spite of the alternative choices.


  • #1744
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    Then why did so many people repeatedly do it in spite of the alternative choices.

    I was one of them but I actually think that it will take me a good while, maybe years, to get back to being comfortable up at a jammed bar. And I’m not particularly Covid cautious. I’ll be happier at a table for the foreseeable


  • #1745
    [Deleted User]
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    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    There'll always be busy bodies wanting other people to do xyz. This nonsense shouldn't be given weight by being discussed. Not even here.

    I think it’s valid and a lot of people will take a long time to be comfortable again in a jam packed bar


  • #1746
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    There'll always be busy bodies wanting other people to do xyz. This nonsense shouldn't be given weight by being discussed. Not even here.

    Its been over a year of busybodies wanting other people to do xyz.

    People could always have taken action to avoid certain things if they wanted, but that was never enough, they needed everybody else to climb under that bed with them.

    I know that I for one won't be living a life where every other other human being is seen as a virus transmitter. What a pathetic miserable existence it would be to live in fear like that.


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  • #1747
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,943 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    Then why did so many people repeatedly do it in spite of the alternative choices.

    According to our betters they actually didn't enjoy bars like that, even if they say they did.

    And now they are saying that we will enjoy their vision of bars instead, even if we don't know it yet.


  • #1748
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    shtpEdthePlum wrote:
    Then why did so many people repeatedly do it in spite of the alternative choices.
    Peer pressure?


  • #1749
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Skin hunger.

    And after two years of isolation it is out of control.


  • #1750
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,650 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I think it's a valid point. Most people don't like being squashed in a pub.
    This pandemic has made us all aware of how virus gets transmitted and more people will want to avoid places where you could pick up a bug.
    It might be good for the pub business, you might get people spread out in many pubs instead of crammed into one.

    Avoid places where you could pick up a bug? So...everywhere then? You're just as likely to pick up a bug sitting at a table in a non packed pub than in a packed one. Everyone is still breathing the same air and using the same toilets.

    Good luck to those people on a quest to never get sick again, I'm sure their immune systems will thank them (they wont)


  • #1751
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Avoid places where you could pick up a bug? So...everywhere then? You're just as likely to pick up a bug sitting at a table in a non packed pub than in a packed one. Everyone is still breathing the same air and using the same toilets.

    Good luck to those people on a quest to never get sick again, I'm sure their immune systems will thank them (they wont)

    I have no doubt that lockdown and wfh and all the rest has weakened the immune systems of people noticeably on a whole. You could say it has weakened public health. Thats before we talk about depression and weight gain and muscle loss and way before we talk about delayed diagnosis's and whatnot. Just our immune systems. The very thing we need to fight viruses.

    Wouldnt be one bit surprised if next winter people will go down with all sorts of flus and fevers.


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  • #1752
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    If some people had their way we’d all be working at home, all sat very sensibly in a bar on a night out with no mingling.

    Is that really the kind of society and culture we want to create? I’m sure if most of think back to when we started working, our best days were after work drinks with your colleagues whom you had gotten to know over work chats, and then hitting a pub/bar Friday evening with the other after work crowds and then on to a late bar/nightclub, and whatever craic that would bring. Monday then discussing what went down and any gossip from the night.

    It would be a shame if that ended.


  • #1753
    VG31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭VG31


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Good luck to those people on a quest to never get sick again, I'm sure their immune systems will thank them (they wont)

    I honestly can't understand these people saying they didn't get a cold in the last year so they'll continue wearing masks and avoiding crowds.

    They'll just end up with a terrible immune system. Is it really that big a deal to get a cold or two every year?

    There have also been studies indicating that people who get lots of colds have more immunity to covid.


  • #1754
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    If some people had their way we’d all be working at home, all sat very sensibly in a bar on a night out with no mingling.

    Is that really the kind of society and culture we want to create? I’m sure if most of think back to when we started working, our best days were after work drinks with your colleagues whom you had gotten to know over work chats, and then hitting a pub/bar Friday evening with the other after work crowds and then on to a late bar/nightclub, and whatever craic that would bring. Monday then discussing what went down and any gossip from the night.

    It would be a shame if that ended.

    I have seen the opposite, with people wanting to force people in offices and long commutes for dubious benefits. Plenty of people have social lives outside of the office, and maybe they could spend more time doing that, if they weren't stuck in pointless commutes.


  • #1755
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Avoid places where you could pick up a bug? So...everywhere then? You're just as likely to pick up a bug sitting at a table in a non packed pub than in a packed one. Everyone is still breathing the same air and using the same toilets.

    Good luck to those people on a quest to never get sick again, I'm sure their immune systems will thank them (they wont)

    eh?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #1756
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    wes wrote: »
    I have seen the opposite, with people wanting to force people in offices and long commutes for dubious benefits. Plenty of people have social lives outside of the office, and maybe they could spend more time doing that, if they weren't stuck in pointless commutes.

    I’m talking about young people at the beginning of their careers who may be renting with a few others, and who don’t have a long cummute


  • #1757
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    VG31 wrote: »
    I honestly can't understand these people saying they didn't get a cold in the last year so they'll continue wearing masks and avoiding crowds.

    They'll just end up with a terrible immune system. Is it really that big a deal to get a cold or two every year?

    There have also been studies indicating that people who get lots of colds have more immunity to covid.

    It’s scary. The “new normal” may become a thing after all.


  • #1758
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    You're just as likely to pick up a bug sitting at a table in a non packed pub than in a packed one.
    I'm curious to hear the evidence/rationale for this one, Dr Ceadaoin..


  • #1759
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,520 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    VG31 wrote: »
    I honestly can't understand these people saying they didn't get a cold in the last year so they'll continue wearing masks and avoiding crowds. They'll just end up with a terrible immune system. Is it really that big a deal to get a cold or two every year?
    There have also been studies indicating that people who get lots of colds have more immunity to covid.

    Was it not that if you had a cold it actively blocked covid - but only temporarily?

    I'd think about wearing masks on public transport in flu season, especially coming up to Christmas, if I hadn't gotten the vaccine or it was a bust that year.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1760
    VG31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭VG31


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Was it not that if you had a cold it actively blocked covid - but only temporarily?

    Yes but pre-existing immunity from colds can also reduce the severity of covid infections.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/common-cold-coronaviruses-tied-to-less-severe-covid-19-cases-68146


  • #1761
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    I’m talking about young people at the beginning of their careers who may be renting with a few others, and who don’t have a long cummute

    That is not always the case, and very often isn't, as people at the start of their careers, don't necessarily have the money to rent near where they work.

    Also, younger people tend to have more friends outside where they work. Not everyone wants to hang out with people they work with. Not every workplace has a sufficient cohort of young people either.

    Sorry, but the social aspect is bull, and its very often forced on people, who would rather be elsewhere.


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  • #1762
    DebDynamite
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    wes wrote: »
    That is not always the case, and very often isn't, as people at the start of their careers, don't necessarily have the money to rent near where they work.

    Also, younger people tend to have more friends outside where they work. Not everyone wants to hang out with people they work with. Not every workplace has a sufficient cohort of young people either.

    Sorry, but the social aspect is bull, and its very often forced on people, who would rather be elsewhere.

    And where do a lot of young people meet their friends when they reach young adulthood? College (where they bond through nights out and parties), in work, on nights out through other friends, i.e being social!

    I would say the majority of young people who rent with other housemates, rent somewhere not too far out of town as they want to experience city living for the social aspect - that why places like Rathmines and Phibsboro are always popular with young people from the country.


  • #1763
    wes
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    DebDynamite wrote: »
    And where do a lot of young people meet their friends when they reach young adulthood? College (where they bond through nights out and parties), in work, on nights out through other friends, i.e being social!

    And those nights outs can happen just fine, without dragging people into an office. A lot of younger people, use stuff like Tinder etc to date, and are use to getting to know people online.
    DebDynamite wrote: »
    I would say the majority of young people who rent with other housemates, rent somewhere not too far out of town as they want to experience city living for the social aspect - that why places like Rathmines and Phibsboro are always popular with young people from the country.

    Yeah, and those prices have gone up hugely these days, and its not possible for a lot of young people.

    The social aspect of the office is over rated hugely by some, who probably spent most of their time not working it seems.


  • #1764
    DebDynamite
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    Socially distanced or sit down gigs, bars using the Scandinavian model, young people working from their bedroom, one of the few opportunities to meet a partner is online, wearing masks on public transport in case we get a cold... That sounds grim as hell.


  • #1765
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Socially distanced or sit down gigs, bars using the Scandinavian model, young people working from their bedroom, one of the few opportunities to meet a partner is online, wearing masks on public transport in case we get a cold... That sounds grim as hell.

    It's a dystopia at odds with a gregarious and outgoing culture. Beyond time to get real, like the seasonal flu there's every possibility we'll be co-existing with Covid for the foreseeable future. There should be an acceptable risk factored in, as others have mentioned building natural immunity. Vaccines are taking the sting out of Covid, reducing its potency. Any wave that materialises next winter is likely to be inconsequential compared to last December/January.

    Essentially life must resume as before, those who are still risk averse can remain at home. The rest of us should not be penalised for wanted to press on with a normal routine, for instance having a few jars with friends in the local... a simple pleasure of an odd evening. Also, struggling business owners need to be afforded a viable opportunity to ply their trade. Concurrently boosting the economy and filling in an enormous debt. The self-imposed shackles cast off once and for all.


  • #1766
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Socially distanced or sit down gigs, bars using the Scandinavian model, young people working from their bedroom, one of the few opportunities to meet a partner is online, wearing masks on public transport in case we get a cold... That sounds grim as hell.

    Young people were meeting partners online for the most part before the pandemic.

    The rest of the stuff is temporary, until we get to herd immunity.


  • #1767
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's a dystopia at odds with a gregarious and outgoing culture. Beyond time to get real, like the seasonal flu there's every possibility we'll be co-existing with Covid for the foreseeable future. There should be an acceptable risk factored in, as others have mentioned building natural immunity. Vaccines are taking the sting out of Covid, reducing its potency. Any wave that materialises next winter is likely to be inconsequential compared to last December/January.

    Essentially life must resume as before, those who are still risk averse can remain at home. The rest of us should not be penalised for wanted to press on with a normal routine, for instance having a few jars with friends in the local... a simple pleasure of an odd evening. Also, struggling business owners need to be afforded a viable opportunity to ply their trade. Concurrently boosting the economy and filling in an enormous debt. The self-imposed shackles cast off once and for all.
    Life will resume. Some people are in complete delusion that life has been changed forever, that people are happy to socially distance, that online has replaced actual socialising. It hasn't. If pubs opened tomorrow they'd be wedged. Its going to be difficult to get bookings for the first few weekends of outdoor dining even.

    A few lunatics saying otherwise doesn't change it


  • #1768
    wadacrack
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    72 cases of the Indian variant detected.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1395724782830817282


  • #1769
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,260 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    wadacrack wrote: »
    72 cases of the Indian variant detected.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1395724782830817282

    Not the news we wanted really


  • #1770
    Corholio
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Not the news we wanted really

    I don't see what would be unexpected about it though. There's more cases of the variant than last count, practically impossible to be the same or less. Very expected news.


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  • #1771
    First Up
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    AdamD wrote:
    Life will resume. Some people are in complete delusion that life has been changed forever, that people are happy to socially distance, that online has replaced actual socialising. It hasn't. If pubs opened tomorrow they'd be wedged. Its going to be difficult to get bookings for the first few weekends of outdoor dining even.

    A few lunatics saying otherwise doesn't change it

    Interesting definition of lunatics.


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