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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #1682
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    marno21 wrote: »
    House parties and end of year celebrations aren't online though.


    Ah get you. I was thinking campus and got very confused!


  • #1683
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    nocoverart wrote: »
    if you think we can enjoy an outdoor summer in this climate.

    Sports events and gigs aren't cancelled because of rain. No point in getting worked up over something we cannot control. I did say understandable to a point too btw.


  • #1684
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Brenda Power on Claire Byrne Live this morning. The quality of RTE current affairs gets better and better! Doing her bit for the hospitality industry and telling us what we like and don't like while she's at it!

    Brenda Power: "I can't see myself ever wanting to crowd into a pub and stand side by side with complete strangers in the sort of way that we felt was acceptable and even enjoyable when it clearly wasn't so i think a lot of things you know that we felt was expected of us, a lot of behaviours that were expected of us actually weren't that much fun but we did them. For instance, I was writing about this in the Sunday Times, that I went to a pub close by on New Year's Eve in 2019, and when I say packed I don't just mean there was quite a few people there, it was literally like the London Underground packed, like someone had squashed people in. We opened the door, there was no way of going in. Now, nobody there was having a good time, I don't care what they told their friends the next day. The only reason they were there was to say "Oh God, we were in such and such a place last night and it was great craic". No it wasn't. It was awful. "

    Claire Byrne: "Maybe we will feel now, or maybe we won't, but a lot of people will, that we don't have to do that anymore, or put ourselves through it"

    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"


  • #1685
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »

    Brenda Power: "For instance, I was writing about this in the Sunday Times, that I went to a pub close by on New Year's Eve in 2019, and when I say packed I don't just mean there was quite a few people there, it was literally like the London Underground packed, like someone had squashed people in. We opened the door, there was no way of going in. Now, nobody there was having a good time, I don't care what they told their friends the next day. The only reason they were there was to say "Oh God, we were in such and such a place last night and it was great craic". No it wasn't. It was awful. [/I]"

    To be honest, I think Brenda is spot on here.


  • #1686
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Brenda Power on Claire Byrne Live this morning. The quality of RTE current affairs gets better and better! Doing her bit for the hospitality industry and telling us what we like and don't like while she's at it!

    Brenda Power: "I can't see myself ever wanting to crowd into a pub and stand side by side with complete strangers in the sort of way that we felt was acceptable and even enjoyable when it clearly wasn't so i think a lot of things you know that we felt was expected of us, a lot of behaviours that were expected of us actually weren't that much fun but we did them. For instance, I was writing about this in the Sunday Times, that I went to a pub close by on New Year's Eve in 2019, and when I say packed I don't just mean there was quite a few people there, it was literally like the London Underground packed, like someone had squashed people in. We opened the door, there was no way of going in. Now, nobody there was having a good time, I don't care what they told their friends the next day. The only reason they were there was to say "Oh God, we were in such and such a place last night and it was great craic". No it wasn't. It was awful. "

    Claire Byrne: "Maybe we will feel now, or maybe we won't, but a lot of people will, that we don't have to do that anymore, or put ourselves through it"

    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"

    There are a small, but unfortunately still relevant, number of people who would like to use this as an opportunity to finish off parts of society that they don’t like.

    It hopefully won’t come to pass but it’s slightly worrying. Why RTÉ are inviting newspaper columnists on to discuss these things is another matter.

    These commentators or columnists don’t seem to have any nuance. If so many people want the Scandinavian mode, then you can be sure the sector will provide it if it’s lucrative. And the same applies to packed pubs. No one was forced to go to them. They fulfill a purpose and appeal to a lot of people, whether Brenda likes that or not.


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  • #1687
    optogirl
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    eskimohunt wrote: »
    To be honest, I think Brenda is spot on here.

    I personally can't wait to be back in a packed pub and all the atmosphere that it brings. Same for concerts etc. The first time a band I like or even tolerate walks on stage I may just burst with excitement.


  • #1688
    [Deleted User]
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Brenda Power on Claire Byrne Live this morning. The quality of RTE current affairs gets better and better! Doing her bit for the hospitality industry and telling us what we like and don't like while she's at it!

    Brenda Power: "I can't see myself ever wanting to crowd into a pub and stand side by side with complete strangers in the sort of way that we felt was acceptable and even enjoyable when it clearly wasn't so i think a lot of things you know that we felt was expected of us, a lot of behaviours that were expected of us actually weren't that much fun but we did them. For instance, I was writing about this in the Sunday Times, that I went to a pub close by on New Year's Eve in 2019, and when I say packed I don't just mean there was quite a few people there, it was literally like the London Underground packed, like someone had squashed people in. We opened the door, there was no way of going in. Now, nobody there was having a good time, I don't care what they told their friends the next day. The only reason they were there was to say "Oh God, we were in such and such a place last night and it was great craic". No it wasn't. It was awful. "

    Claire Byrne: "Maybe we will feel now, or maybe we won't, but a lot of people will, that we don't have to do that anymore, or put ourselves through it"

    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"

    Brenda Power is the quintessential busybody. "I don't enjoy a bustling pub, neither should you". All the wishful thinking in the world isn't going to make her pedantic stance a reality. She cannot legislate for human nature, people are not ring-fenced sheep. Watch her slide into total irrelevance within weeks as punters throng the beer gardens.


  • #1689
    mollser
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    Brenda's articles in the Sunday Times are generally really spot on, she talks the truth in most cases. However I think she's overreached on this one, I don't think she can just speak for everyone in such a blanket manner.

    In my 20's I loved nothing more than a rammed pub and the messiness that comes with it. However as you progress on in life (which is where Brenda is at), you tend to grow out of that kind of stuff, and prefer going for pints at 5pm in the evening and away from the crowds! Seems its just taking her a bit longer to realise that, for some reason!


  • #1690
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Brenda Power on Claire Byrne Live this morning. The quality of RTE current affairs gets better and better! Doing her bit for the hospitality industry and telling us what we like and don't like while she's at it!

    Brenda Power: "I can't see myself ever wanting to crowd into a pub and stand side by side with complete strangers in the sort of way that we felt was acceptable and even enjoyable when it clearly wasn't so i think a lot of things you know that we felt was expected of us, a lot of behaviours that were expected of us actually weren't that much fun but we did them. For instance, I was writing about this in the Sunday Times, that I went to a pub close by on New Year's Eve in 2019, and when I say packed I don't just mean there was quite a few people there, it was literally like the London Underground packed, like someone had squashed people in. We opened the door, there was no way of going in. Now, nobody there was having a good time, I don't care what they told their friends the next day. The only reason they were there was to say "Oh God, we were in such and such a place last night and it was great craic". No it wasn't. It was awful. "

    Claire Byrne: "Maybe we will feel now, or maybe we won't, but a lot of people will, that we don't have to do that anymore, or put ourselves through it"

    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"

    I know many would disagree but I'd prefer, and always would have preferred, that new vision of a night out. We'd go out drinking with friends if we could get sitting and have a conversation we could enjoy.


  • #1691
    bb1234567
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    nocoverart wrote: »
    if you think we can enjoy an outdoor summer in this climate.

    Do you think the millions of tourists who visit Ireland for holidays during the summer stay inside for the week or fortnight or however long? No, they're out and about, enjoying it, rain or shine. And the places they go to, West and South coasts, are much rainier than in the cities where these discussions about outdoor dining relate to

    I agree with yer man who said it's unfair to make businesses RELY on this weather for a business model, I think we could safely permit indoor dining seeing as it happened last year with no vaccinations..but anyway we can all enjoy a one off outdoorsy centred summer under these circumstances..I would have thought


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  • #1692
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I know many would disagree but I'd prefer, and always would have preferred, that new vision of a night out. We'd go out drinking with friends if we could get sitting and have a conversation we could enjoy.

    There are lots of countries that go with table only, Sweden and Canada for example , stating statutory fire regulations .
    It's fine when meeting friends where catching up and talking is the main objective .
    But nothing can beat the rush of a crowded pub before a match or the excitement of a roaring crowd of ( mostly ) strangers watching a game or some big event on a pub screen !


  • #1693
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,263 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Brenda Power on Claire Byrne Live this morning. The quality of RTE current affairs gets better and better! Doing her bit for the hospitality industry and telling us what we like and don't like while she's at it!

    Brenda Power: "I can't see myself ever wanting to crowd into a pub and stand side by side with complete strangers in the sort of way that we felt was acceptable and even enjoyable when it clearly wasn't so i think a lot of things you know that we felt was expected of us, a lot of behaviours that were expected of us actually weren't that much fun but we did them. For instance, I was writing about this in the Sunday Times, that I went to a pub close by on New Year's Eve in 2019, and when I say packed I don't just mean there was quite a few people there, it was literally like the London Underground packed, like someone had squashed people in. We opened the door, there was no way of going in. Now, nobody there was having a good time, I don't care what they told their friends the next day. The only reason they were there was to say "Oh God, we were in such and such a place last night and it was great craic". No it wasn't. It was awful. "

    Claire Byrne: "Maybe we will feel now, or maybe we won't, but a lot of people will, that we don't have to do that anymore, or put ourselves through it"

    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"

    What a


  • #1694
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,120 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    There are lots of countries that go with table only, Sweden and Canada for example , stating statutory fire regulations .
    It's fine when meeting friends where catching up and talking is the main objective .
    But nothing can beat the rush of a crowded pub before a match or the excitement of a roaring crowd of ( mostly ) strangers watching a game or some big event on a pub screen !

    I don't doubt it but it was never our scene and many's a night a group of us left a pub because it was too noisy. Different strokes... I'm sure there's room for all tastes.


  • #1695
    ArthurDayne
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Brenda Power on Claire Byrne Live this morning. The quality of RTE current affairs gets better and better! Doing her bit for the hospitality industry and telling us what we like and don't like while she's at it!

    Brenda Power: "I can't see myself ever wanting to crowd into a pub and stand side by side with complete strangers in the sort of way that we felt was acceptable and even enjoyable when it clearly wasn't so i think a lot of things you know that we felt was expected of us, a lot of behaviours that were expected of us actually weren't that much fun but we did them. For instance, I was writing about this in the Sunday Times, that I went to a pub close by on New Year's Eve in 2019, and when I say packed I don't just mean there was quite a few people there, it was literally like the London Underground packed, like someone had squashed people in. We opened the door, there was no way of going in. Now, nobody there was having a good time, I don't care what they told their friends the next day. The only reason they were there was to say "Oh God, we were in such and such a place last night and it was great craic". No it wasn't. It was awful. "

    Claire Byrne: "Maybe we will feel now, or maybe we won't, but a lot of people will, that we don't have to do that anymore, or put ourselves through it"

    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"

    Person who clearly hates crowded pubs complains about voluntarily going to a pub on New Years f**king Eve and it being crowded. Who gives these people a platform?

    As for her “adapting the Scandinavian model” (as if culture is just some policy to be passed by a committee resolution), I personally can’t wait to be in a crowded pub with all the lads again chatting absolute ****e, having the craic with strangers and bumping into all sorts of randomers — and chatting ****e with them too.

    There are plenty of places to have a quiet drink with friends without projecting your introversion onto others.


  • #1696
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    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    Person who clearly hates crowded pubs complains about voluntarily going to a pub on New Years f**king Eve and it being crowded. Who gives these people a platform?

    As for her “adapting the Scandinavian model” (as if culture is just some policy to be passed by a committee resolution), I personally can’t wait to be in a crowded pub with all the lads again chatting absolute ****e, having the craic with strangers and bumping into all sorts of randomers — and chatting ****e with them too.

    There are plenty of places to have a quiet drink with friends without projecting your introversion onto others.

    The introvert can often hide their introversion in a packed environment and are more lost in in a less busy social environment where they are exposed


  • #1697
    Allinall
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    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    Person who clearly hates crowded pubs complains about voluntarily going to a pub on New Years f**king Eve and it being crowded. Who gives these people a platform?

    As for her “adapting the Scandinavian model” (as if culture is just some policy to be passed by a committee resolution), I personally can’t wait to be in a crowded pub with all the lads again chatting absolute ****e, having the craic with strangers and bumping into all sorts of randomers — and chatting ****e with them too.

    There are plenty of places to have a quiet drink with friends without projecting your introversion onto others.

    Person uses a public platform to express their opinion and give out about a person using a public platform to express their opinion.

    You'd have to laugh.


  • #1698
    Goldengirl
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I don't doubt it but it was never our scene and man's a night a group of us left a pub because it was too noisy. Different strokes... I'm sure there's room for all tastes.

    Yeah . Think it's like anything here . Everybody wants what they like back to normal and the world is right then .
    Unfortunately may not happen for another while yet , at least not in the way we all want ..pubs , concerts, matches, weddings .
    Hopefully not too much longer .


  • #1699
    celt262
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    ArthurDayne wrote: »

    I personally can’t wait to be in a crowded pub with all the lads again chatting absolute ****e, having the craic with strangers and bumping into all sorts of randomers — and chatting ****e with them too.
    .

    Rorys Stories is that you?


  • #1700
    ArthurDayne
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    celt262 wrote: »
    Rorys Stories is that you?

    Personally I hate Rory’s Stories but sure — applying Brenda’s logic — I should continue watching it knowing I will hate it, then assume that other people who watch it are also not finding it funny — then pray that we adopt the “Scandinavian Model” of craic where I never have to watch a man unfunnily re-enact the flight home from a stag again! :)


  • #1701
    What Username Guidelines
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I know many would disagree but I'd prefer, and always would have preferred, that new vision of a night out. We'd go out drinking with friends if we could get sitting and have a conversation we could enjoy.

    Completely agree personally

    I hate crowded pubs, prefer a quiet pint and chat, and some friends think I'm nuts that I'd rather spend €100 on lego than a night out (as someone in my late 30s) – But this idea that we could "adapt a model" from another country can only do so much. Pubs are packed every weekend because people here enjoy being in pubs.


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  • #1702
    darem93
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    The thing I miss most about nights out is dancing. There literally is no better feeling than being 10 drinks in and everyone not giving a sh*te and pulling some of the dodgiest moves you could possibly imagine. Whether that be in a nightclub or pub setting, I really do miss it.


  • #1703
    Deeper Blue
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"

    Someone should tell Brenda that here in the real world people will go back to the way things were as soon as they get the chance.

    What's the obsession with moving to the "continental model" anyway? Holohan was spouting similar nonsense at some stage from what I recall.


  • #1704
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    To be honest, I think Brenda is spot on here.

    In your view. Problem here is that Brenda thinks she speaks for all of us. Right down to saying that she knows nobody else was having a good time regardless of what they said, because Brenda knows better. Looney stuff.

    As Jim and others have pointed out, everyone has preferences. I'd prefer a bar stool at this stage of life myself. Brenda should zip it in terms of speaking for eveyone and concentrate on speaking only for herself. RTE should consider why it was newsworthy. Hope they don't pay Brenda for the likes of this ****e.
    Allinall wrote: »
    Person uses a public platform to express their opinion and give out about a person using a public platform to express their opinion.

    You'd have to laugh.

    Eh no. The difference is that Brenda was using a public platform to express other people's opinions. Without asking them.


  • #1705
    Scuid Mhór
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    How long is it taking for people to hear back on covid tests? A friend of mine is approaching 48 hours now.


  • #1706
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    In your view. Problem here is that Brenda thinks she speaks for all of us. Right down to saying that she knows nobody else was having a good time regardless of what they said, because Brenda knows better. Looney stuff.

    I think the broad point has value though.

    Many times, people go out and are going with the flow. Then, the next day, it's portrayed as if it were the best thing since sliced bread.

    She is exaggerating, yes, but many people exaggerate how "amazing" their night was, too.


  • #1707
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    I can never understand all the moaning about packed pubs and drinking culture in general.

    If it’s not your thing, just don’t do it…
    Plenty of places where you can have a quiet drink or meal if that’s your thing.

    If life in other countries is so appealing, people have the option to visit or live in those countries.


  • #1708
    timmyntc
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    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    Someone should tell Brenda that here in the real world people will go back to the way things were as soon as they get the chance.

    What's the obsession with moving to the "continental model" anyway? Holohan was spouting similar nonsense at some stage from what I recall.

    People believe that the Irish relationship with alcohol is a total free for all where between 8pm and closing you have to get as much booze down the swanny as you possibly can, full of debauchery and shenanigans like a shebeen in the prohibition era. Which is totally untrue - our consumption is similar to those on "the continent", and most pubs in this country are full of tables of people chatting. people also like the music and the dancefloors and the packed standing room places, hence why they are the way they are.

    it would be nice to have the option of a cafe-culture, buy a beer in a corner shop or deli and sit out with it if its nice at a table. But anybody saying we need a paradigm shift to be more like X, Y & Z can go and do one.


  • #1709
    FintanMcluskey
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    timmyntc wrote: »
    People believe that the Irish relationship with alcohol is a total free for all where between 8pm and closing you have to get as much booze down the swanny as you possibly can, full of debauchery and shenanigans like a shebeen in the prohibition era. Which is totally untrue - our consumption is similar to those on "the continent", and most pubs in this country are full of tables of people chatting. people also like the music and the dancefloors and the packed standing room places, hence why they are the way they are..

    I’ve seen that sentiment repeated regularly on this forum that the Irish are lawless drunks

    I can only assume those who believe that have never been abroad in their lives


  • #1710
    shadyslimshady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭shadyslimshady


    She's 59. Don't think i'd want to be a pub i can barely move in at that age with a heap of drunk younger people around bumping into me.

    Plenty of other pubs around more suited to the older folk with a nice relaxed atmosphere.

    She does talk some scutter, its like our media are twenty years behind and ran by oul wans and oul lads close to retirement age.


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  • #1711
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭corkie


    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1395414433955041282

    As of midnight, Wednesday 19th May, the @hpscireland
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    103 in hospital. 38 in ICU.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data validation.

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