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anotherfinemess wrote: »
The above is from a Covid denial and conspiracy site : https://www.ukcolumn.org/, it's author has appeared on the Alex Jones show
Here is the proper site for yellow card info and stats
https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/
where you'll notice this very important context:The nature of Yellow Card reporting means that reported events are not always proven side effects. Some events may have happened anyway, regardless of vaccination. This is particularly the case when millions of people are vaccinated, and especially when most vaccines are being given to the most elderly people and people who have underlying illness.0 -
The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, which also tracks reports of injuries and deaths following the experimental COVID-19 “vaccines.”
Here is what EudraVigilance states about their database:
This website was launched by the European Medicines Agency in 2012 to provide public access to reports of suspected side effects (also known as suspected adverse drug reactions). These reports are submitted electronically to EudraVigilance by national medicines regulatory authorities and by pharmaceutical companies that hold marketing authorisations (licences) for the medicines.
EudraVigilance is a system designed for collecting reports of suspected side effects. These reports are used for evaluating the benefits and risks of medicines during their development and monitoring their safety following their authorisation in the European Economic Area (EEA). EudraVigilance has been in use since December 2001.
This website was launched to comply with the EudraVigilance Access Policy, which was developed to improve public health by supporting the monitoring of the safety of medicines and to increase transparency for stakeholders, including the general public.
The Management Board of the European Medicines Agency first approved the EudraVigilance Access Policy in December 2010. A revision was adopted by the Board in December 2015 based on the 2010 pharmacovigilance legislation. The policy aims to provide stakeholders such as national medicines regulatory authorities in the EEA, the European Commission, healthcare professionals, patients and consumers, as well as the pharmaceutical industry and research organisations, with access to reports on suspected side effects.
Transparency is a key guiding principle of the Agency, and is pivotal to building trust and confidence in the regulatory process. By increasing transparency, the Agency is better able to address the growing need among stakeholders, including the general public, for access to information. (Source.)
Their report through May 8, 2021 lists 10,570 deaths and 405,259 injuries following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
- COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+40983312
-COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+42325700
-COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+40995439
-COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analyticsSOAP/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+42287887
For anyone who is not bothered to search through database here is summary:
Total reactions for the experimental mRNA vaccine Tozinameran (code BNT162b2,Comirnaty) from BioNTech/ Pfizer: 5,368 deaths and 170,528 injuries to 08/05/2021
12,435 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 54 deaths
8,551 Cardiac disorders incl. 636 deaths
62 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 4 deaths
4,828 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 3 deaths
153 Endocrine disorders
5,413 Eye disorders incl. 9 deaths
37,167 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 270 deaths
115,627General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 1719 deaths
279 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 24 deaths
4,047 Immune system disorders incl. 25 deaths
12,099 Infections and infestations incl. 589 deaths
4,142 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 72 deaths
8,904 Investigations incl. 196 deaths
2,961 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 109 deaths
59,217 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 58 deaths
194 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 11 deaths
73,4 Nervous system disorders incl. 535 deaths
231 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 9 deaths
83 Product issues
7,002 Psychiatric disorders incl. 81 deaths
1,143 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 82 deaths
1,241 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 2 deaths
16,257 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 619 deaths
18,516 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 46 deaths
564 Social circumstances incl. 9 deaths
142 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 9 deaths
9,851 Vascular disorders incl. 197 deaths
Total reactions for the experimental mRNA vaccine mRNA-1273(CX-024414) from Moderna: 2,865 deaths and 22,985 injuries to 08/05/2021
1,047 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 19 deaths
1,674 Cardiac disorders incl. 301 deaths
8 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 2 deaths
535 Ear and labyrinth disorders
29 Endocrine disorders incl. 1 death
793 Eye disorders incl. 4 deaths
4,952 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 100 deaths
16,192 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 1255 deaths
98 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 6 deaths
587 Immune system disorders incl. 4 deaths
1,906 Infections and infestations incl. 151 deaths
1,042 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 53 deaths
1,395 Investigations incl. 68 deaths
670 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 58 deaths
7,143 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 58 deaths
60 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 11 deaths
9,617 Nervous system disorders incl. 294 deaths
62 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions
11 Product issues
1,118 Psychiatric disorders incl. 45 deaths
383 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 32 deaths
135 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 1 death
2,822 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 255 deaths
2,901 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 22 deaths
214 Social circumstances incl. 9 deaths
131 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 16 deaths
1,526 Vascular disorders incl. 100 deaths
Total reactions for the experimental vaccine AZD1222/VAXZEVRIA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19) from Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 2,102 deaths and 208,873 injuries to 08/05/2021
6,221 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 86 deaths
8,504 Cardiac disorders incl. 261 deaths
83 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 2 deaths
5,774 Ear and labyrinth disorders
174 Endocrine disorders incl. 2 deaths
9,158 Eye disorders incl. 7 deaths
62,739 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 99 deaths
158,518General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 604 deaths
319 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 18 deaths
2,135 Immune system disorders incl. 8 deaths
12,002 Infections and infestations incl. 138 deaths
4,991 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 33 deaths
11,441 Investigations incl. 38 deaths
7,621 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 31 deaths
93,094 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 24 deaths
178 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 5 deaths
125,892Nervous system disorders incl. 318 deaths
128 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 1 death
64 Product issues
10,895 Psychiatric disorders incl. 17 deaths
1,976 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 20 deaths
2,519 Reproductive system and breast disorders
18,411 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 228 deaths
26,202 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 13 deaths
475 Social circumstances incl. 4 deaths
431 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 14 deaths
10,653 Vascular disorders incl. 131 deaths
Total reactions for the experimental COVID-19 vaccine JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S) from Johnson & Johnson: 235 deaths and 2,873 injuries to 08/05/2021
79 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 7 deaths
169 Cardiac disorders incl. 22 deaths
3 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders
45 Ear and labyrinth disorders
3 Endocrine disorders incl. 1 death
110 Eye disorders incl. 1 death
783 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 6 deaths
2,071 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 67 deaths
20 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 1 death
35 Immune system disorders
140 Infections and infestations incl. 6 deaths
117 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 2 deaths
507 Investigations incl. 11 deaths
56 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 6 deaths
1,348 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 9 deaths
4 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps)
1,852 Nervous system disorders incl. 32 deaths
5 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions
4 Product issues
116 Psychiatric disorders incl. 2 deaths
35 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 3 deaths
29 Reproductive system and breast disorders
366 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 18 deaths
172 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 1 death
20 Social circumstances incl. 1 death
80 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 10 deaths
502 Vascular disorders incl. 29 deaths4 -
patnor1011 wrote: »The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, which also tracks reports of injuries and deaths following the experimental COVID-19 “vaccines.”
Here is what EudraVigilance states about their database:
This website was launched by the European Medicines Agency in 2012 to provide public access to reports of suspected side effects (also known as suspected adverse drug reactions). These reports are submitted electronically to EudraVigilance by national medicines regulatory authorities and by pharmaceutical companies that hold marketing authorisations (licences) for the medicines.
EudraVigilance is a system designed for collecting reports of suspected side effects. These reports are used for evaluating the benefits and risks of medicines during their development and monitoring their safety following their authorisation in the European Economic Area (EEA). EudraVigilance has been in use since December 2001.
This website was launched to comply with the EudraVigilance Access Policy, which was developed to improve public health by supporting the monitoring of the safety of medicines and to increase transparency for stakeholders, including the general public.
The Management Board of the European Medicines Agency first approved the EudraVigilance Access Policy in December 2010. A revision was adopted by the Board in December 2015 based on the 2010 pharmacovigilance legislation. The policy aims to provide stakeholders such as national medicines regulatory authorities in the EEA, the European Commission, healthcare professionals, patients and consumers, as well as the pharmaceutical industry and research organisations, with access to reports on suspected side effects.
Transparency is a key guiding principle of the Agency, and is pivotal to building trust and confidence in the regulatory process. By increasing transparency, the Agency is better able to address the growing need among stakeholders, including the general public, for access to information. (Source.)
Their report through May 8, 2021 lists 10,570 deaths and 405,259 injuries following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
- COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+40983312
-COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+42325700
-COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+40995439
-COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analyticsSOAP/saw.dll?PortalPages&PortalPath=%2Fshared%2FPHV%20DAP%2F_portal%2FDAP&Action=Navigate&P0=1&P1=eq&P2=%22Line%20Listing%20Objects%22.%22Substance%20High%20Level%20Code%22&P3=1+42287887
For anyone who is not bothered to search through database here is summary:
Total reactions for the experimental mRNA vaccine Tozinameran (code BNT162b2,Comirnaty) from BioNTech/ Pfizer: 5,368 deaths and 170,528 injuries to 08/05/2021
12,435 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 54 deaths
8,551 Cardiac disorders incl. 636 deaths
62 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 4 deaths
4,828 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 3 deaths
153 Endocrine disorders
5,413 Eye disorders incl. 9 deaths
37,167 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 270 deaths
115,627General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 1719 deaths
279 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 24 deaths
4,047 Immune system disorders incl. 25 deaths
12,099 Infections and infestations incl. 589 deaths
4,142 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 72 deaths
8,904 Investigations incl. 196 deaths
2,961 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 109 deaths
59,217 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 58 deaths
194 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 11 deaths
73,4 Nervous system disorders incl. 535 deaths
231 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 9 deaths
83 Product issues
7,002 Psychiatric disorders incl. 81 deaths
1,143 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 82 deaths
1,241 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 2 deaths
16,257 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 619 deaths
18,516 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 46 deaths
564 Social circumstances incl. 9 deaths
142 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 9 deaths
9,851 Vascular disorders incl. 197 deaths
Total reactions for the experimental mRNA vaccine mRNA-1273(CX-024414) from Moderna: 2,865 deaths and 22,985 injuries to 08/05/2021
1,047 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 19 deaths
1,674 Cardiac disorders incl. 301 deaths
8 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 2 deaths
535 Ear and labyrinth disorders
29 Endocrine disorders incl. 1 death
793 Eye disorders incl. 4 deaths
4,952 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 100 deaths
16,192 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 1255 deaths
98 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 6 deaths
587 Immune system disorders incl. 4 deaths
1,906 Infections and infestations incl. 151 deaths
1,042 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 53 deaths
1,395 Investigations incl. 68 deaths
670 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 58 deaths
7,143 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 58 deaths
60 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 11 deaths
9,617 Nervous system disorders incl. 294 deaths
62 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions
11 Product issues
1,118 Psychiatric disorders incl. 45 deaths
383 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 32 deaths
135 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 1 death
2,822 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 255 deaths
2,901 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 22 deaths
214 Social circumstances incl. 9 deaths
131 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 16 deaths
1,526 Vascular disorders incl. 100 deaths
Total reactions for the experimental vaccine AZD1222/VAXZEVRIA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19) from Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 2,102 deaths and 208,873 injuries to 08/05/2021
6,221 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 86 deaths
8,504 Cardiac disorders incl. 261 deaths
83 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 2 deaths
5,774 Ear and labyrinth disorders
174 Endocrine disorders incl. 2 deaths
9,158 Eye disorders incl. 7 deaths
62,739 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 99 deaths
158,518General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 604 deaths
319 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 18 deaths
2,135 Immune system disorders incl. 8 deaths
12,002 Infections and infestations incl. 138 deaths
4,991 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 33 deaths
11,441 Investigations incl. 38 deaths
7,621 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 31 deaths
93,094 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 24 deaths
178 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 5 deaths
125,892Nervous system disorders incl. 318 deaths
128 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 1 death
64 Product issues
10,895 Psychiatric disorders incl. 17 deaths
1,976 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 20 deaths
2,519 Reproductive system and breast disorders
18,411 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 228 deaths
26,202 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 13 deaths
475 Social circumstances incl. 4 deaths
431 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 14 deaths
10,653 Vascular disorders incl. 131 deaths
Total reactions for the experimental COVID-19 vaccine JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S) from Johnson & Johnson: 235 deaths and 2,873 injuries to 08/05/2021
79 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 7 deaths
169 Cardiac disorders incl. 22 deaths
3 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders
45 Ear and labyrinth disorders
3 Endocrine disorders incl. 1 death
110 Eye disorders incl. 1 death
783 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 6 deaths
2,071 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 67 deaths
20 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 1 death
35 Immune system disorders
140 Infections and infestations incl. 6 deaths
117 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 2 deaths
507 Investigations incl. 11 deaths
56 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 6 deaths
1,348 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 9 deaths
4 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps)
1,852 Nervous system disorders incl. 32 deaths
5 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions
4 Product issues
116 Psychiatric disorders incl. 2 deaths
35 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 3 deaths
29 Reproductive system and breast disorders
366 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 18 deaths
172 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 1 death
20 Social circumstances incl. 1 death
80 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 10 deaths
502 Vascular disorders incl. 29 deaths
Wow you have some cheek! You copy and paste a wall of text and links which you obviously haven't looked through yourself and then say "For anyone who is not bothered to search through database" :pac:0 -
Lol. again "scare quotes" where they are not needed.patnor1011 wrote: »The European database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, which also tracks reports of injuries and deaths following the experimental COVID-19 “vaccines.”
The covid vaccines are vaccines. Are you going back to claiming they are not after denying you claimed this?
From your links:patnor1011 wrote: »Here is what EudraVigilance states about their database:
http://www.adrreports.eu/en/understanding_reports.htmlWhen you view a web report of suspected side effects (also known as suspected adverse drug reactions) for a medicine or active substance, it is important to understand how the web report fits into the overall safety profile of a medicine.
Here is a list of important points to consider when viewing a web report:
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For a medicine to be authorised for use, its benefits should outweigh any associated risks of side effects. At the time of authorisation of a medicine, the benefit-risk balance has been assessed and the benefits judged to outweigh the risks. All the information available on this website relates to medicines that have been assessed in this way and authorised for use in the European Economic Area (EEA).
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A case can be reported on the basis of a suspicion that the side effect is associated with the medicine. It does not necessarily mean that any link between the medicine and the side effect has been established; the side effect may have occurred due to other factors, for example the disease for which the medicine is being taken or an interaction between two or more of the patient's medicines.
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The information on this website cannot be used to determine the likelihood of experiencing a side effect. Other information, such as how many people take the medicine and how long it has been on the market, need to be considered.
So again, we see that the source you are misrepresenting contains the exact same disclaimer as the VAERS data did when you tried this dishonest tactic.
Did you not read your own link?
So we know that you're just going to run away from any points made about this data and your misuse of it.patnor1011 wrote: »For anyone who is not bothered to search through database here is summary:
So perhaps you could just explain what you believe this data shows exactly?
Are you claiming now again that the vaccines are more danger than the virus?
Are you claiming that the governments around the world are somehow conspiring to cover up this data by presenting it in an easily accessible way?2 -
Actually did a little more clicking around that site and came across this:Disclaimer
Each time you search for a web report you will be shown a disclaimer. To view individual reports you must confirm that you have read and understood the disclaimer.
The disclaimer contains the following information:
The information on this website does not reflect any confirmation of a potential link between the medicine and the observed effect(s).
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The number of suspected side effects in EudraVigilance should not serve as a basis for determining the likelihood of a side effect occurring. This is because the numbers need to be put into context with other factors, such as how many people take the medicine and how long the medicine has been on the market.
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The side-effect reports in EudraVigilance do not represent all available information concerning the benefits and risks of a medicine and should not be used in isolation to make decisions regarding a patient's treatment regimen; other sources of information, including the product/prescribing information, should be consulted first.
So we see that to actually get those reports, you have to read this disclaimer.
So we know you read it. We know you know that the information you are using cannot be used in the way you're using it.
Yet, you still choose to misrepresent it.2 -
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Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »Wow you have some cheek! You copy and paste a wall of text and links which you obviously haven't looked through yourself and then say "For anyone who is not bothered to search through database" :pac:
It is all there. Sorry if you require one liners. I suggest you put me on ignore as I did with few posters here and you will be spared walls of text.
All you will see next time will be nice:
"This message is hidden because ..... is on your ignore list."
If you want to dispute numbers in that "wall of text" have a go at that database yourself. It lists all outcomes included fatal and reactions for every of 4 vaccines mentioned. But it is better to post emoji and little insult when you do not have anything to disprove information posted. Quite normal reaction in this thread and pretty much expected.1 -
patnor1011 wrote: »It is all there.
It's not all there, you left out the critical context, likely deliberately. Coincidentally exactly the same "mistake" as the other poster above. Here is the context again:For a medicine to be authorised for use, its benefits should outweigh any associated risks of side effects. At the time of authorisation of a medicine, the benefit-risk balance has been assessed and the benefits judged to outweigh the risks. All the information available on this website relates to medicines that have been assessed in this way and authorised for use in the European Economic Area (EEA).
...
A case can be reported on the basis of a suspicion that the side effect is associated with the medicine. It does not necessarily mean that any link between the medicine and the side effect has been established; the side effect may have occurred due to other factors, for example the disease for which the medicine is being taken or an interaction between two or more of the patient's medicines.
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The information on this website cannot be used to determine the likelihood of experiencing a side effect. Other information, such as how many people take the medicine and how long it has been on the market, need to be considered.1 -
Yup. It's a very brave thing to do.patnor1011 wrote: »It is all there. Sorry if you require one liners. I suggest you put me on ignore as I did with few posters here and you will be spared walls of text.
All you will see next time will be nice:
"This message is hidden because ..... is on your ignore list."
However, when people point out giant gaping flaws and outright lies in your posts, you can't see them to even attempt to address them
Other people can see these things being pointed out however. And they see that you have to basically just stick your fingers in your ears and run away from them.
That's not quite the full story as you know though. You are just lying and claiming that these numbers show something it doesn't.patnor1011 wrote: »If you want to dispute numbers in that "wall of text" have a go at that database yourself. It lists all outcomes included fatal and reactions for every of 4 vaccines mentioned.
This is easy to see when you do actually go to these databases and read what they warn you about.
I suspect it's claims like yours are the reason they have those disclaimers all over the site.1 -
That's not quite the full story as you know though. You are just lying and claiming that these numbers show something it doesn't.
This is easy to see when you do actually go to these databases and read what they warn you about.
I suspect it's claims like yours are the reason they have those disclaimers all over the site.
The sheer dishonesty is staggering. These posters know the context but they leave it out on purpose to deceive other people.0 -
In fairness, it's entirely possible that patnor never actually visited any of the sites he linked and is just copy pasting from some conspiracy site. The conspiracy site might be the ones who are deliberately leaving out the disclaimers.The sheer dishonesty is staggering. These posters know the context but they leave it out on purpose to deceive other people.
That would make it very hypocritical given this statement:For anyone who is not bothered to search through database ...0 -
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I've seen this pop up a few times in the last few days, More conspiracy theory?
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I checked the list of people banned from the Covid threads on other forums, now I see them posting here. Hmm.0
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drunkmonkey wrote: »Hmm indeed, a Nobel prize winner in a conspiracy thread.I've seen this pop up a few times in the last few days, More conspiracy theory?
Yes. He also takes homeopathy seriously and is a supporter of anti-vaxxer Wakefield, so naturally he's become a magnet for cranks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_MontagnierMontagnier argued that the Coronavirus disease 2019 was man-made in a laboratory and that it might have been the result of an attempt to create a vaccine for HIV/AIDS. His allegation came after the United States had launched a probe into whether the virus came from a laboratory. According to Montagnier, the "presence of elements of HIV and germ of malaria in the genome of coronavirus is highly suspect and the characteristics of the virus could not have arisen naturally."[45] However this was described as "a conspiracy vision that does not relate to the real science" by Jean-Francois Delfraissy, an immunologist and head of the scientific council that advises the French government on the COVID-19 pandemic.[46]
The current consensus of virologists and related scientists is that Covid is natural.0 -
Ahh so your going with the bat theory, it jumped species? Fauci is in the clear, it couldn't have come from the lab.
I didn't put much notice in that video, Listening to Kingston Mills this evening, it sounds more like some of the variants can bypass the vaccine. He's getting slated over in the vaccine thread for saying it though.0 -
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The current consensus of virologists and related scientists is that Covid is natural.
The current consensus lol.
There was current consensus for many years that Mr Epstein was just a successful hedge fund manager. Or even more current one that Mr Gates didn't know him.
"The current consensus of some virologists and related scientists is that Covid is natural."
There. More accurate now even though it is nonsensical. In case you do not know Covid is one or series of effects which may be caused by sars cov2 virus. This virus may or may not evolved naturally, only time will show.
And we are back in bat soup eating conspiracy again lol.0 -
Yes. The majority of opinion and evidence point towards a natural origin. There is not much actual scientific evidence that points to a lab based origin.patnor1011 wrote: »The current consensus lol.
"The current consensus of some virologists and related scientists is that Covid is natural."
There. More accurate now even though it is nonsensical.
The number of scientists who are actively saying that it had a lab based origin are in the minority and there isn't that much solid evidence to support that idea.
Conspiracy mongers and their followers like to take the opinion of these scientists and over blow them to support their wild conspiracies when those scientists most likely would not want anything to do with those conspiracies.
Lol Whut?patnor1011 wrote: »In case you do not know Covid is one or series of effects which may be caused by sars cov2 virus.
Again, I think you don't actually understand the terms you are using. Much as you don't actually understand vaccines.
Covid 19 is is short for: Coronavirus disease 2019
And it is caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
What other effects or series of effects are you refering to?
I suspect that this claim is just empty technobabble with no actual meaning or knowledge behind it.
Also, it seems now you are abandoning entirely your lies and misrepresentations about the Vaccine safety data.
As such, I think it's clear to all that you aren't able to counter the obvious facts of your lazy attempt at deception and misrepresentation.
lol.patnor1011 wrote: »This virus may or may not evolved naturally, only time will show.
And we are back in bat soup eating conspiracy again lol.
I find this statement very funny given how often and how vigourously you react when you believe your position is being misrepresented.0 -
Lol. again "scare quotes" where they are not needed.
The covid vaccines are vaccines. Are you going back to claiming they are not after denying you claimed this?
From your links:
http://www.adrreports.eu/en/understanding_reports.html
So again, we see that the source you are misrepresenting contains the exact same disclaimer as the VAERS data did when you tried this dishonest tactic.
Did you not read your own link?
So we know that you're just going to run away from any points made about this data and your misuse of it.
So perhaps you could just explain what you believe this data shows exactly?
Are you claiming now again that the vaccines are more danger than the virus?
Are you claiming that the governments around the world are somehow conspiring to cover up this data by presenting it in an easily accessible way?
The data on Eudra Vigilance and on VAERS is subject to ratification in the future. Same with records globally. However that has always been the standard practice with adverse events and reactions to all other substances ever recorded by these official sites. It takes time for the adverse events to be verified and even longer to come to courts etc.
So it is not as if some new flimsy standards are being applied here - medical personnel are reporting adverse events just the same as they have been doing for decades. In a preliminary fashion.
The big difference now is that the preliminary adverse events reports to official recording sites are absolutely huge compared to other substances similarly reported upon heretofore.
And the reports are being completely ignored by govts, whereas for far FAR fewer preliminary reports of adverse events in the past, substances have been immediately withdrawn.
That one is only permitted to post this fact in a conspiracy forum is very strange. If it was any other substance recording even a fraction of the preliminary unverified adverse reactions like these vaccines are generating there would be great general alarm.
Plus some covid vaccines used already on millions and still in use for millions have already been discontinued by countries such as Norway and Denmark, and other places.
The complete and willful blindness to ever growing records of preliminary adverse reaction including possibly 1000s of deaths is remarkably odd and notable.0 -
While I am here I may as well mention Geert Vanden Bossche. He does not come across as a fevered person in the way that some can. His educated and experience based rationale for why mass vaccination should not be carried out in the heat of a pandemic, a rule well known to immunologists up until now, makes sense. Vaccination in such circumstances directly encourages vaccine escape.
It remains to be seen whether or not his prognoses come to pass, and I would dread it if they do, but in any event the substance of his arguments should be under consideration in open scientific debate at the highest levels. That it is completely ignored is another strange thing and that I am again having to post in the conspiracy forum to avoid the wrath of moderation and of readers desperate for a silver bullet solution to all our covid ills, is also odd.
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/0 -
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1000s of deaths?
What? Where?0 -
1000s of deaths?
What? Where?
Go to https://www.adrreports.eu/en/
Click on Search for a Report.
Click on Suspected Adverse Reactions reports for Substances.
https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html
Select the letter C.
Scroll down to the 4 covid vaccines.
Select each one if interested. It opens a database (slowly).
Select the Tab on the Database that says Number of individual Cases for a Reaction.
Eg under Cardiac Events in the left column the total preliminary reports of fatalities is to date 15/05/21= 344. There are many reaction groups to check.
You would have to go through each type of reaction in turn which would take quite some time. But people have done it and there are significant preliminary reports of harm up to and including many deaths. I have gone through some reactions to verify if figures are there, and they are.
I am not interested in the counter argument that these are preliminary reports - such reports have ALWAYS been preliminary, nothing has changed. EXCEPT the official reaction to preliminary reports of harm from a substance.1 -
After reading this forum, why do you guys continue to try to convince these people that their thinking is defective. It seems to me whatever evidence you give them they'd much rather believe someone who sounds convincing and cold hard truths that maybe, just maybe, this virus is deadly, lockdowns do work and the only countries that have tried to resist lockdowns, usually for economic reasons, have ultimately paid for that. India being the most recent but not the only one.
It just seems to me as an outsider that you're giving these people evidence that lockdowns work and they're trying to use that evidence to say they don't. All a bit odd really. It's like showing someone a car crash in which an airbag has saved a life and that person going, yeah but that person's alive, all the airbag did was blur their vision and it's a way for the car companies to sell you more.
This is more of a one off comment, I just can't believe some people seem to genuinely believe irrespective of anything else. Whatever happened to listening to all sides of a story and then realising you was always right, or, realising you were wrong but now you have a bigger amount of knowledge on the subject.
These days it just seems to be 'how dare this person try to disagree what the me, whatever they say must be a lie'.0 -
Some interesting q&a's on Bossche's website, his opinion of what's happening in the likes of the Seychelles doesn't tally with the narrative they were just sold a dodgy vaccine. He also has some good points about testing or lack of in the vaccinated which we know can catch and transmit it.
We'll know either way in a few weeks or months if he's mad or not, https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/faq0 -
For the record, I believe Covid 19 is real. I am extremely Covid cautious - I do not want to get this virus. I am very circumspect in my association and activities. Was wearing a mask in public settings long before most and will continue to do so. The crazy ideas of scamdemics and plandemics and all that utter crap is BS to me. I believe lockdowns to protect populations when viral spread is high are very important for the public health. I believe we should have stopped this novel virus in its tracks when it first appeared - it is never good for the demographic health profile of a species to introduce another endemic virus, especially one with unknown long term effects.
None of this is incompatible with having serious reservations about the mass vaccination campaign presently underway.0 -
The big difference now is that the preliminary adverse events reports to official recording sites are absolutely huge compared to other substances similarly reported upon heretofore.
Again, no.
You are misrepresenting the data.
The site states incredibly clearly that the data cannot be used to make the claim you are making:
http://www.adrreports.eu/en/understanding_reports.htmlWhen you view a web report of suspected side effects (also known as suspected adverse drug reactions) for a medicine or active substance, it is important to understand how the web report fits into the overall safety profile of a medicine.
Here is a list of important points to consider when viewing a web report:
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A case can be reported on the basis of a suspicion that the side effect is associated with the medicine. It does not necessarily mean that any link between the medicine and the side effect has been established; the side effect may have occurred due to other factors, for example the disease for which the medicine is being taken or an interaction between two or more of the patient's medicines.
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The information on this website cannot be used to determine the likelihood of experiencing a side effect. Other information, such as how many people take the medicine and how long it has been on the market, need to be considered.
They aren't being ignored. They just aren't misusing and misrepresenting it like you guys are.And the reports are being completely ignored by govts, whereas for far FAR fewer preliminary reports of adverse events in the past, substances have been immediately withdrawn.
Yes. When you make untrue claims about a conspiracy occuring that you have to lie to support, that behaviour is not usually welcome in adult discussions.That one is only permitted to post this fact in a conspiracy forum is very strange.
And other countries continue to use this vaccine and also recinded their pause on it.Plus some covid vaccines used already on millions and still in use for millions have already been discontinued by countries such as Norway and Denmark, and other places.
What point are you trying to make here?
Lol. Claiming the vaccine has caused 1000s of deaths is an outright lie.The complete and willful blindness to ever growing records of preliminary adverse reaction including possibly 1000s of deaths is remarkably odd and notable.
The data you are using says no such thing.0 -
Please also take note of the disclaimer that you have to agree that you've read before you are able to read the reports.Go to https://www.adrreports.eu/en/
Click on Search for a Report.
Click on Suspected Adverse Reactions reports for Substances.
https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html
Select the letter C.
Scroll down to the 4 covid vaccines.
Select each one if interested. It opens a database (slowly).
The disclaimer that says that the data cannot and should not be used to make any conclusions about the side effects.
Weird how some people keep missing that disclaimer...0 -
Again, no.
You are misrepresenting the data.
The site states incredibly clearly that the data cannot be used to make the claim you are making:
http://www.adrreports.eu/en/understanding_reports.html
The preliminary data on this substance is recorded in the same manner as the preliminary data on any other substance. Nothing has changed. The same disclaimers and reservations have applied heretofore. It was the same when Pandemrix was receiving reports in 2009 as it is now when Moderna (et al) are receiving reports in 2021. The only difference is the response to the preliminary reports.
I am not interested in repeating this point ad nauseum, so when you counter with the same argument you have already made again I will not respond. I have said my piece on this point.0 -
Please also take note of the disclaimer that you have to agree that you've read before you are able to read the reports.
The disclaimer that says that the data cannot and should not be used to make any conclusions about the side effects.
Weird how some people keep missing that disclaimer...
You would have dismissed the same data in relation to Pandemrix, iirc you were all for it any nay sayers were conspiracy theorists.
Bossche went back and looked maybe you should as well just on the off chance you could be wrong again.0 -
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But you are ignoring the disclaimers. You are saying that the data shows that the vaccines have a large amount of side effects, including deaths.The preliminary data on this substance is recorded in the same manner as the preliminary data on any other substance. Nothing has changed. The same disclaimers and reservations have applied heretofore.
The data cannot show this.
Sorry, but given how you have not been entirely honest about the data in the first place I do not accept that you are accurately representing things about this case also.It was the same when Pandemrix was receiving reports in 2009 as it is now when Moderna (et al) are receiving reports in 2021. The only difference is the response to the preliminary reports.
I suspect that you are ignoring or glossing over certain things like you did with the disclaimer.
Well than rather than repeat the same argument, maybe try addressing points.I am not interested in repeating this point ad nauseum, so when you counter with the same argument you have already made again I will not respond. I have said my piece on this point.0
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