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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,121 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Meaningless going on a single day's results. Their 7 day average for deaths is 44.

    Too early to draw conclusions yet but it may indicate that vaccination is having the expected results. They have 74% with at least a single dose.

    And just to update your error. They didn't report zero that day, but 28 and 42 yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It's hard to know, because no restrictions doesn't mean nobody follows social distancing of their own accord. Sweden may not have had so many government level restrictions but mobility data showed Swedes behaved very sensibly all the same throughout the pandemic, and not that dissimilarly to other Europeans who were under lockdown orders.

    I think we can safely say Ireland's deaths would have been about 5000 more than now without restrictions, but probably wouldn't have gone much above a total of 15,000 without restrictions. But then again in such a situation it could have easily resulted in an overrun ICU capacity which may well have exaggerated those deaths further again.

    We were at the max limit ICU capacity end of January to February . And that was extended capacity .
    If lockdown hadn't happened the situation of ambulances waiting in the carparks with sick patients would have been a reality , everyday .
    I don't think the majority of the Irish people would have been in favour of a situation like that running on for too long .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,650 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    gozunda wrote: »
    Except it isn't.

    The advice on not having to wear masks is for those who are fully vaccinated (except places where individual states dictate otherwise)

    Currently about 37% of people are fully vaccinated in the US ...





    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/05/14/996879305/confused-by-cdcs-latest-mask-guidance-heres-what-weve-learned

    Yeah I know what the advice is. I understand the English language but thanks for clarifying lol.

    Just going by what I see all around me, which is more and more people not wearing masks everyday. Bars and restaurants packed. I highly doubt it's vaccinated people only, it's an honor system, no proof of vaccination required. That's why I said it's "effectively" over, not "officially".


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,031 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Interesting statistical tactics to try and apply the population death rate to the over 65's and still try to present the conclusion as credible.

    Death rate in confirmed cases in Ireland in over 65's is 14%


    Ok well show me where you are getting your figures from then?? Because you arent backing anything up with your own data.

    Its all well and good trying to dispute my figures when you havent shown us a differing set.

    We`ve had 225,000 CONFIRMED cases - for transparency that what we`ll use - not wishy ,washy could have , would have cases. 225,000 is an official figure.

    So show me where Im incorrect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Professor Niel Fergusson says the Indian variant is not as transmissible as first feared and it is not resistant to the vaccines.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    503 cases no deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭corkie


    Gael23 wrote: »
    503 cases no deaths
    No reported deaths due to cyber attack.

    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1395047352826802179

    As of midnight, Tuesday 18th May, the @hpscireland
    has been notified of 503* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    38 in ICU. 101 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data validation.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    corkie wrote: »
    No reported deaths due to cyber attack.

    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1395047352826802179

    As of midnight, Tuesday 18th May, the @hpscireland
    has been notified of 503* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    38 in ICU. 101 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data validation.

    Nice bug number of deaths to frighten us to come then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Nice big number of deaths to frighten us to come then
    Along with a huge backlog!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭BigMo1


    corkie wrote: »
    No reported deaths due to cyber attack.

    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1395047352826802179

    As of midnight, Tuesday 18th May, the @hpscireland
    has been notified of 503* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    38 in ICU. 101 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data validation.

    Where does it say that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    We were at the max limit ICU capacity end of January to February . And that was extended capacity .
    If lockdown hadn't happened the situation of ambulances waiting in the carparks with sick patients would have been a reality , everyday .
    I don't think the majority of the Irish people would have been in favour of a situation like that running on for too long .

    Exactly, most of our data in terms of CFR over the past year has to take into account that anyone who needed healthcare managed to get it, and while there are numbers for hospital and ICU admission, you'd need to also get data on GP care and COVID centres that were set up in Primary Care Centres to provide care pre-hospital.

    Obviously it's all hypothetical and it would be hard to work out what may have happened had the health system collapsed, but just running with CFR and multiplying for a higher % of the population catching it doesn't give an accurate prediction.

    This is why the "we locked down for a virus with a 99.7% survival rate" you see bandied about irritates me. Granted, it would have had to have been brutal from 80-100,00 deaths, but this was a time when very little was known relative to now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Nice bug number of deaths to frighten us to come then

    If someone doesn't understand that 7 day's worth of something is more than one day and gets frightened, not really the government's fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭corkie


    BigMo1 wrote: »
    Where does it say that?

    It doesn't but Death reports haven't been included since before the 15th May.
    Them not announcing them doesn't mean there is/was none.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The daily deaths reported in the past few weeks seem to be meaningless in the sense that the actual dates of death were often weeks or even months previously. I may have the exact numbers wrong, but about 2 weeks ago there was one day when 8 deaths were reported, approximately 3 in each of January, February and March. Against that there are no doubt a few deaths occurring this week which will not get reported until June/July.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Reading through there and noticed Two horrible cretinous pricks being mentioned. Ryan and Aoife Mylysaght are worse then Staines and Killeen. No morals, Whatsoever. Scaremongering. When watching the video the two of them looked a bit unhinged to be honest.

    https://twitter.com/niall_boylan/status/1394960983177715716?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Reading through there and noticed Two horrible cretinous pricks being mentioned. Ryan and Aoife Mylysaght are worse then Staines and Killeen. No morals, Whatsoever. Scaremongering. When watching the video the two of them looked a bit unhinged to be honest.

    https://twitter.com/niall_boylan/status/1394960983177715716?s=21

    This picture sums it up. Lockdowns don't effect this people. Out of touch with most people in this country.

    https://twitter.com/aoifemcl/status/1259185744318468100


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This picture sums it up. Lockdowns don't effect this people. Out of touch with most people in this country.

    https://twitter.com/aoifemcl/status/1259185744318468100

    Picture sums what up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Reading through there and noticed Two horrible cretinous pricks being mentioned. Ryan and Aoife Mylysaght are worse then Staines and Killeen. No morals, Whatsoever. Scaremongering. When watching the video the two of them looked a bit unhinged to be honest.

    https://twitter.com/niall_boylan/status/1394960983177715716?s=21

    Haha finally putting a face to the name of that Tomas Ryan guy. Looks like one of those grow your own aliens. Just add water and unfounded speculation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Exactly, most of our data in terms of CFR over the past year has to take into account that anyone who needed healthcare managed to get it, and while there are numbers for hospital and ICU admission, you'd need to also get data on GP care and COVID centres that were set up in Primary Care Centres to provide care pre-hospital.

    Obviously it's all hypothetical and it would be hard to work out what may have happened had the health system collapsed, but just running with CFR and multiplying for a higher % of the population catching it doesn't give an accurate prediction.

    This is why the "we locked down for a virus with a 99.7% survival rate" you see bandied about irritates me. Granted, it would have had to have been brutal from 80-100,00 deaths, but this was a time when very little was known relative to now.

    Agreed.
    A lot more would have not made it if unable to access oxygen and monitoring in the younger / under 50 age groups too .
    It is not only the older people who got very sick .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    D.Q wrote: »
    Haha finally putting a face to the name of that Tomas Ryan guy. Looks like one of those grow your own aliens. Just add water and unfounded speculation.

    This is funny .
    But the level of hate for these ISAG people knows no bounds here :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This picture sums it up. Lockdowns don't effect this people. Out of touch with most people in this country.

    https://twitter.com/aoifemcl/status/1259185744318468100

    Look at the date it's May last year when Covid was not as bad they are in the back garden doing nothing wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Look at the date it's May last year when Covid was not as bad they are in the back garden doing nothing wrong

    I think the point is that they are grand in lockdown.... working from home, sitting out in their garden, enjoying life etc... compared to the people with no job, garden to sit in or life to live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Reading through there and noticed Two horrible cretinous pricks being mentioned. Ryan and Aoife Mylysaght are worse then Staines and Killeen. No morals, Whatsoever. Scaremongering. When watching the video the two of them looked a bit unhinged to be honest.

    https://twitter.com/niall_boylan/status/1394960983177715716?s=21

    Ryan has been a laughing stock for ages now, that video doesn't surprise me one bit. He and his ISAG cronies are a disgrace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I think the point is that they are grand in lockdown.... working from home, sitting out in their garden, enjoying life etc... compared to the people with no job, garden to sit in or life to live.

    Yeah, get that.
    But isn't that just begrudgery ?
    Does that mean anyone witha garden or a nice life somehow has no right to an opinion ?
    Not getting at you because you are just explaining the post to someone else , but its bit shvtty that people are judged for sitting in their back garden having a drink when most people criticising them for that , would normally be saying " good on them" !
    Who knows what is going on in their lives , what stresses and mental health issues are behind those smiles ! :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I think the point is that they are grand in lockdown.... working from home, sitting out in their garden, enjoying life etc... compared to the people with no job, garden to sit in or life to live.

    Well lots of people work from home
    Lots of people have some type of outdoor space

    Are they 'grand' 'enjoying life' rather than being miserable in lockdown like they should be?

    But hey ...

    5a6d3x.jpg

    Social media has a lot to answer for tbh ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    gozunda wrote: »
    Well lots of people work from home
    Lots of people have some type of outdoor space

    Are they 'grand' 'enjoying life' rather than being miserable in lockdown like they should be?

    But hey ...

    5a6d3x.jpg

    Social media has a lot to answer for ....

    Haha , :D

    Have to add I can't stand that McLysaght wan ! So shrill , and she sitting out in her back garden !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yeah, get that.
    But isn't that just begrudgery ?
    Does that mean anyone witha garden or a nice life somehow has no right to an opinion ?
    Not getting at you because you are just explaining the post to someone else , but its bit shvtty that people are judged for sitting in their back garden having a drink when most people criticising them for that , would normally be saying " good on them" !
    Who knows what is going on in their lives , what stresses and mental health issues are behind those smiles ! :p

    Again... *I think* the point is.... It is easy for people like this to say we need more severe lockdowns etc... Since it doesn't impact their income or quality of life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    corkie wrote: »
    No reported deaths due to cyber attack.

    https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1395047352826802179

    As of midnight, Tuesday 18th May, the @hpscireland
    has been notified of 503* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

    38 in ICU. 101 in hospital.

    *Daily case numbers may change due to future data validation.

    Gavin Reilly said on twitter in response to another user that the cases are actually the positive swabs. We know from many months of this that cases are always lower than positive swabs so the numbers are in reality lower.
    Although saying that it's ICU, hospital and vaccine numbers that really matter these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This is funny .
    But the level of hate for these ISAG people knows no bounds here :D

    I’m afraid Goldengirl a Professor who makes unfounded, no data claims that Covid could increase the chances of autism during pregnancy is an absolute disgrace of the highest order. This same professor was a near permanent resident of RTÉ and other media organisations for the last 12 months.
    Having another member of this organisation on national radio today making further unsubstantiated claims with a presenter clearly on the ISAG side is a National disgrace. They didn’t want any reopening whatsoever at any stage during this pandemic.
    This group is directly responsible for giving people false information throughout this pandemic with a huge cost on many people’s lives & were given a national platform to do so. This should be investigated & they should not be given airtime until they answer what their objectives are & why they were using a terrorist manual in their ‘tactics’ to scare the Irish public rather than providing facts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This is funny .
    But the level of hate for these ISAG people knows no bounds here :D

    No hang on, it’s not without reason.

    They have repeatedly been given carte blanche across all Irish media platforms to spout entirely speculative, worst case nonsense.

    They call themselves scientific but they are anything but.

    They consistently involve children in their wildly inaccurate, doom laden predictions and as a father of two small children that’s personally unforgivable.

    Just one example, last summer on Eamon Dunphys podcast Tomas Ryan came up with a figure of 104 dead children if we didn’t open the schools properly. He then asked how many children died during the troubles?

    This is not science. It’s pure emotional blackmail and manipulation.

    They know exactly what they’re doing. We’ve seen the leaked emails. It’s insidious and reprehensible.

    So that’s why they’re hated from some quarters here.


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