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Sold car yesterday, now buyer demand full refund

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  • #102
    JIdontknow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    @Salim57774 - Do not follow up with VW or any mechanic as it is not your problem anymore - you do not own the car!
    In addition, if it ever came to it, following up could be interpreted as you feeling guilty about something.

    I wouldn’t either but the op seems to be worrying about it all! Seriously OP don’t worry about it. It’s sold as seen and the buyer brought people along to look over it, they are just chancing their arm now to try get some money back!


  • #103
    Turbolounge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Turbolounge


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Wha?? Just put a belt on it.

    The point is the original seller told the buyer the car had a new timing belt, which is a bonus as the buyer wouldn't have to have it done for quite some time. As it wasn't done, she had to get a new one done at her expense.


  • #104
    bidiots
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭bidiots


    Doesnt matter what was said or done.
    She bought the car.
    It's her car now - all good and all bad.

    Block her on DD.
    Do not answer any of the messages.
    You have nothing to do with this anymore.

    Move on with your life.
    The end.


  • #105
    Lmkrnr
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Lmkrnr


    Turbolounge wrote: »
    The point is the original seller told the buyer the car had a new timing belt, which is a bonus as the buyer wouldn't have to have it done for quite some time. As it wasn't done, she had to get a new one done at her expense.

    Yeah that's it. She just invested 4k in the car and when she went to insure it they said they can't it was still a taxi. She felt like she was getting an honest car and she got very upset. She came Back from the mechanic balling as she didn't have much cash to put extra into. Lessons learned. She rang your man and he said the last owner told him about the belt been done. So where could she go then nowhere.


  • #106
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Turbolounge wrote: »
    The point is the original seller told the buyer the car had a new timing belt, which is a bonus as the buyer wouldn't have to have it done for quite some time. As it wasn't done, she had to get a new one done at her expense.

    Well that's just plain stupid, any car I ever bought in a private sale I always did a full service and do the timing belt, you should always have money spare for this when you get the car. Maybe I'm being over cautious, belts and oil are cheaper than engines.


  • #107
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Lmkrnr wrote: »
    Yeah that's it. She just invested 4k in the car and when she went to insure it they said they can't it was still a taxi. She felt like she was getting an honest car and she got very upset. She came Back from the mechanic balling as she didn't have much cash to put extra into. Lessons learned. She rang your man and he said the last owner told him about the belt been done. So where could she go then nowhere.

    It’s expense she hadn’t factored in rather than a complete disaster- doesn’t mean the car is dodgy or anything and could end up being perfectly fine


  • #108
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Lmkrnr wrote: »
    Yeah that's it. She just invested 4k in the car and when she went to insure it they said they can't it was still a taxi. She felt like she was getting an honest car and she got very upset. She came Back from the mechanic balling as she didn't have much cash to put extra into. Lessons learned. She rang your man and he said the last owner told him about the belt been done. So where could she go then nowhere.

    When the change of ownership goes through it will change to private nothing to bawl about really. 500 would get the belt done, even less from an indie.


  • #109
    StereoSound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    Years back in 2003 I sold a Mazda 323 familia to a young lad, for 3 weeks I seen the car going up and down the road near my house with the rev limiter bouncing around. Him and his little mates squeezed in the back. He and his father then drove the car back up to my house approximately 3 weeks later looking for a refund, he said head gasket was gone... I remember saying "I'm not surprised I've seen the way you were driving it". So he is talking blah blah blah this and that and how I must have did something to the car to get it through the sale.I then told him to F OFF at the front door and take it to a scrap yard if he doesn't want to fix it himself. I'm sure all the neighbors heard me. God inflict bad language or these fckers will be a nuisance.


  • #110
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can do whatever you want with money. But you should not lie about that. If you do (and it is easy to verify if you indeed paid back your mortgage), what does it tell about your character and your trustworthiness with the car?

    Verify? It's none of their business. You're just making it clear they have no hope of even getting some goodwill out of you.

    The time for considering trustworthiness and character was before they bought the car. The car is their problem now, and if they feel like they can't trust the seller, after handing over money, then tough luck.


  • #111
    POBox19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭POBox19


    If it looks like a scam and smells like a scam...


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  • #112
    Limerick91
    Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Limerick91


    I remember selling a car a few years, thankfully I didn't meet the seller at my house. I met them at a local car park.

    After about 3 weeks the young lad texted me that he couldn't afford the insurance and he demanded that I buy the car back from him. It got threatening but he didn't know where I lived.

    My advice, block on DD and anyone selling cars privately do not do it from your home place


  • #113
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    POBox19 wrote: »
    If it looks like a scam and smells like a scam...


    It's not a scam, handing over 7k and then having to come up with a way to get it back even though the law in on sellers side.
    So not a scam.
    Just one of those things, some goodwill to fix what seems to be a common issue would sort it.


  • #114
    afro man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭afro man


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It's not a scam, handing over 7k and then having to come up with a way to get it back even though the law in on sellers side.
    So not a scam.
    Just one of those things, some goodwill to fix what seems to be a common issue would sort it.

    Goodwill to fix why,, Buyer inspected car for over a hour and agreed to buy it
    As seen , don't see how the seller has any responsibility now on any issues with car , Unfortunatly its the Buyer issues Now


  • #115
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭User1998


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It's not a scam, handing over 7k and then having to come up with a way to get it back even though the law in on sellers side.
    So not a scam.
    Just one of those things, some goodwill to fix what seems to be a common issue would sort it.

    Scam: A dishonest scheme/fraud.

    The buyer could easily be making all of this up in an attempt to defraud the seller of his cash. So if very well could be a scam.

    If the buyer is just a spoiled self entitled b*tch who genuinely thinks they are in the right here it would not be a scam.

    And are you actually suggesting the OP gives the buyer goodwill ??


  • #116
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    Isn't it a simple legal stand point of sold as seen on private car sales.

    Unless you actively hid a problem then its just tough luck for the purchaser.

    Maybe I am way off but it's always how I've sold and bought cars. Want a comparison back buy from a garage.


  • #117
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    Isn't it a simple legal stand point of sold as seen on private car sales.
    It is.
    FileNotFound wrote: »
    Unless you actively hid a problem then its just tough luck for the purchaser.
    Correct.
    And even if a seller was to have lied about an issue, the buyer would need to prove the lie.


  • #118
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    Well that's just plain stupid, any car I ever bought in a private sale I always did a full service and do the timing belt, you should always have money spare for this when you get the car. Maybe I'm being over cautious, belts and oil are cheaper than engines.

    This is it. You should always buy in private sale assuming it needs standard works.

    Nobody in their right mind does a load of work and then sells the car - they keep it while it's viable.

    Always straight to the mechanic after purchase from me and what's to be paid in my head was part of buying the car.


  • #119
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    My friend had the same experience as the op. As he has told me numerous times, but I never thought I would be repeating it as advice :)
    Hold a car to some guy, who then called back 2 days later saying problems with the car and he wanted his money back.
    He was told to get lost, but called to the house the next day with another guy moaning about the problems with the car and he wanted his money back..

    But here is where it gets interesting.
    My friends uncle lives beside him and is a retired mechanic. Advised my friend as he was growing up to always mark all the bits in the car with a UV pen before you hand it over to get the car serviced in a garage you dont know (obviously he was a paranoid sort).
    My friend called his uncle and asked him to come in to help with the argument that was going on.
    The uncle arrives with a blacklight and proceeds to check the bits of the engine.
    He saw there were parts that were broken and had no uv mark on them.

    He just took out his phone and started dialing.
    Said he was just getting the gardai over to help sort this out.
    Off the lads went and were never seen again.


  • #120
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    It is.

    Correct.
    And even if a seller was to have lied about an issue, the buyer would need to prove the lie.

    You don't even have to prove the lie. You have to convince the judge that the seller sold the lie. If the seller makes easy to verify statements that are false, that convincing gets much easier.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Verify?

    If the buyer genuinely felt you scammed them and sued you, the judge will have to base the decision on something. You'll get subpoenaed and after proving you're a filthy liar, justice will have much easier decision to make.

    Just don't lie. Simple as that. Don't do anything that might be used against you. Don't offer goodwill. Don't follow up. Don't agree to see the car. Nothing. Just politely decline to further engage in the conversation. END OF STORY


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  • #121
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    grogi wrote: »
    If the buyer genuinely felt you scammed them and sued you, the judge will have to base the decision on something. You'll get subpoenaed and after proving you're a filthy liar, justice will have much easier decision to make.


    :rolleyes:

    Right. So you've never been in a court room, or dealt with the Gardai.


  • #122
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Right. So you've never been in a court room, or dealt with the Gardai.

    Why do you want to get Gardai involved in a Civil case?!


  • #123
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    grogi wrote: »
    Why do you want to get Gardai involved in a Civil case?!


    There is no case.


  • #124
    CoBo55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    grogi wrote: »
    Why do you want to get Gardai involved in a Civil case?!

    Please stop...


  • #125
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Salim57774 wrote: »
    She messaged me yesterday saying she booked it with VW garage and she got appointment today and they inspected the car and told her the car needs new oil switch, a whole new timing chain kit and it will cost 2800€ and she is demanding me to pay 2000 toward repair or return the car for full refund otherwise she will be getting a solictor and contacting the guards
    .
    I was told by last owner timing was done and i wrote to her that before buying it in DoneDeal and i told her to bring her own mechanic to inspect it.

    Do you think it’s just the time to block her on DoneDeal ?

    Aside from the fact that it's highly unlikely that the car is checked that fast by a main dealer VW garage. A timing chain is not a time defined replacement like a timing belt. Before yiming chains go they get noisy and rattle. Any good mechanic inspecting such a car privately woukd be aware of that. Cannot imagine even at a VW main dealer a timing chain repair costing that kind of money. These parts would be available from any reputable motor factors.

    OP this has scam written all over it. Do not give anything as goodwill. Block the number and move on.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #126
    JustAThought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    OP - it could well be some money laundering scam where they passed either stolen money to you - which you passed through your bank account - and now they will get ‘different’ money back.More likely they have stolen a part or swapped out parts or been involved in an accident on the road and want to get rid of the car - or used it in a crime and want to get rid of it.

    You gave them every opportunity, they satisfied themselves and drove the car off the property - it in was in full working order when they drove it off your premises and you are not liable for anything that happened it since. What if they hit & killed someone, or ran up parking tickets or speeding tickets, or were involved in causing a crash - they are dumping the car and evidence back on you. Have nothing to do with them and if possible report their heavy handed tactics and attempted intimidation to the police. It was sold as seen & fulll mechanical inspections done before the sale was completed - so it was Sold in good faith € now having taken it and driven for for a day they are trying to pressurise and intimidate you out of the sale price. Possibly saw a cheaper one elsewhere - not your issue. The big issue is the criminal or accident risk. report them & move on.


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  • #127
    Snotty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Snotty


    Ignore them, if they came back to you 10 years after buying the car, would you entertain such a conversation?
    The principle is the exact same, once they take ownership of the car, you have no further responsibility to that car.


  • #128
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,088 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    Aside from the fact that it's highly unlikely that the car is checked that fast by a main dealer VW garage. A timing chain is not a time defined replacement like a timing belt. Before yiming chains go they get noisy and rattle. Any good mechanic inspecting such a car privately woukd be aware of that. Cannot imagine even at a VW main dealer a timing chain repair costing that kind of money. These parts would be available from any reputable motor factors.

    OP this has scam written all over it. Do not give anything as goodwill. Block the number and move on.

    Agree with you about the vw garage especially on a Monday morning the busy day of the week when cars are booked from the previous week, a lot of mechanics mark the miles the timing belt was changed on the cover in a white marker for all to see. What the buyer is looking for is money off to get rid of her off the phone with the talk of legal action. How many would give over money and she is on a winner. One of the best scams was a guy in Waterford who would buy a bull and bring the old mammy with him to collect the animal and drink the tea and mammy would ring up after to say how well the bull was doing and how happy she was with the bull and then the phone call to say the bull hadn’t worked the job and would the seller take the bull back and all she wanted was her money back and no compensation. Had pulled the scam for a good few years in a different county each year and had the cows in calf for nothing.


  • #129
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    Salim57774 wrote: »
    She messaged me yesterday saying she booked it with VW garage and she got appointment today and they inspected the car and told her the car needs new oil switch, a whole new timing chain kit and it will cost 2800€ and she is demanding me to pay 2000 toward repair or return the car for full refund otherwise she will be getting a solictor and contacting the guards
    .
    I was told by last owner timing was done and i wrote to her that before buying it in DoneDeal and i told her to bring her own mechanic to inspect it.

    Do you think it’s just the time to block her on DoneDeal ?

    Block to feck, if she comes back she comes back.
    Worry about it then. You bought and sold in good faith if what you say is true.
    Thats the way the private car sale market goes.


  • #130
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Same thing happened to my friend, sold a car and the engine went kaput 2 weeks later. Demanded a refund, wouldn't stop ringing, said she was going to the guards. Rang the guards himself and they said that's a private matter nothing to do with them, solicitor also advised him he has no liability so he just kept ignoring the calls and it went away.


  • #131
    redsheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭redsheeps


    From the opposite point of view. Purchased car privately, had it a week, car flooded with water due to a design fault (leaves blocked drainage so water built up and came into the cabin).

    I only contacted the seller to see if it happened to them previously purely to know how they might have previously fixed it. Other than that I had no recourse to get any money back, I was given all the time in the world to inspect and test drive the car, and could have brought a mechanic with me to inspect but I didn't.

    The issue was now mine to deal with, not the sellers.


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  • #132
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    rob316 wrote: »
    Same thing happened to my friend, sold a car and the engine went kaput 2 weeks later. Demanded a refund, wouldn't stop ringing, said she was going to the guards. Rang the guards himself and they said that's a private matter nothing to do with them, solicitor also advised him he has no liability so he just kept ignoring the calls and it went away.

    You engage Gardaí incorrectly. That's true that Gardaí have nothing to do in a civil case, yet a criminal activity is of interest to them.

    What you need to report is that you're being harassed and that you're afraid about your safety.


  • #133
    TheBlock
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭TheBlock


    redsheeps wrote: »
    From the opposite point of view. Purchased car privately, had it a week, car flooded with water due to a design fault (leaves blocked drainage so water built up and came into the cabin).

    I only contacted the seller to see if it happened to them previously purely to know how they might have previously fixed it. Other than that I had no recourse to get any money back, I was given all the time in the world to inspect and test drive the car, and could have brought a mechanic with me to inspect but I didn't.

    The issue was now mine to deal with, not the sellers.

    Golf??Happend to me numerous times...


  • #134
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    grogi wrote: »
    You engage Gardaí incorrectly. That's true that Gardaí have nothing to do in a civil case, yet a criminal activity is of interest to them.

    What you need to report is that you're being harassed and that you're afraid about your safety.

    My friend was more interested about if he had a case to answer to than his own safety. Absolutely though if you feel you are been harrassed and unsafe, engage the gardai


  • #135
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Just to repeat the best advice. DO NOT REPLY TO ANYTHING THEY SAY. You've said enough. It's their car, and their problem. Block them on donedeal and on your phone. If they try and contact you by showing up outside your house or something, call the gardai. Doubtful that'll happen as it looks like a scam.


  • #136
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,756 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    I don't understand how this thread is still open. There's nothing to discuss.


  • #137
    redsheeps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭redsheeps


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    I don't understand how this thread is still open. There's nothing to discuss.


    Would say that a sense of the OP being kind and as a result potentially being vulnerable to being scammed or pushed into giving the money back got people interested in the topic to support the OP in not being pushed around.


  • #138
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    And do not offer a penny in "goodwill" all your doing is admitting liability.


  • #139
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    OP was she rough? were her male friends rough? was there a threatening tone to her voice? if so maybe have the your local Station on speed-dial, best to veer on the side of caution - just in case


  • #140
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    I don't understand how this thread is still open. There's nothing to discuss.

    I was beginning to think the same myself but then this thread started https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058187351.

    Maybe there is more to discuss.


  • #141
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    elperello wrote: »
    I was beginning to think the same myself but then this thread started https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058187351.

    Maybe there is more to discuss.

    Unlike the OP in this case I’ve not replied or engaged the new owner. And despite the initial urge to I won’t be


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  • #142
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Unlike the OP in this case I’ve not replied or engaged the new owner. And despite the initial urge to I won’t be

    Don't give them another thought.

    Just let it all go and move on is the only answer in this case.


  • #143
    Paullimerick
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Paullimerick


    Well have ye any out come on the car that was sold.??


  • #144
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Block the buyers number end of.


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