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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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    #2162
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    molloyjh wrote: »
    Exactly. I haven't looked in any detail at the squad but I'd say there's a few guys in that bracket. Let's say their total salaried earnings is around 100k. If you have several guys in the squad at that level then its about 30 guys needed to make up the remaining 10.5 million. That's somewhere between 350k and 400k average for those 30. But again, you'd have guys like Cronin, Dooley etc on well below that, further driving the average up for the remaining players.


    JJ hanrahan was on 180K and was offered reduced terms to 130k
    He was a pretty regular starter.

    I gather if someone gets capped (even 1) they get a bigger deal. Noel Reid was on some crazy salary for what he brought because it was negotiated right after his two caps


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    #2163
    Rigor Mortis
    Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Ulster at home, Glasgow away, and then Dragons at home for the final 3 rounds of the rainbow cup


    Post season friendlies


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    #2164
    PMC83
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    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Being a pro athlete is a privilege.

    They're rewarded with a chance to get paid to play sport


    I never subscribed to this idea. The sacrifices are absolutely massive, even just to get a shot. Even if you make it it can all be over in the blink of an eye. These guys should be looked after accordingly.


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    #2165
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,806 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Being a pro athlete is a privilege.

    They're rewarded with a chance to get paid to play sport

    They get paid to do their job, much like the rest of us.

    I imagine academy contracts are quite cheap indeed, but once the players are on senior contracts I'd be amazed if any were south of 50K.


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    #2166
    Jerry Attrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Jerry Attrick


    molloyjh wrote: »
    40k for a 20/21 year old kid with the potential to massively increase that in a short period is not to be sniffed at. Add in match fees etc as other have pointed out and it's not that crazy at all.

    Also worth bearing in mind that paying someone a salary of €40k a year will cost an employer €4K more in PRSI and presumably the employer will also have to cover a hefty insurance premium to cover the cost of injury.

    So if we look at JJ's €180K, Munster would have been paying an extra €19,500 a year for PRSI.


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    #2167
    errlloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 12,603 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    They get paid to do their job, much like the rest of us.

    This is the wrong thread for it, but it isn't quite like the rest of us.

    Many commit fully to it (emotionally and educationally) before they are paid. Most are fairly naive about the potential consequences, the potential impact on their future health, and future earning potential. They're kept in a fairly tight bubble. Many have the carrot of potentially earning well in front of them, but the stick of failure behind them.

    The truth is professional athletes' remuneration isn't linearly tied to effort. Players who put in the same amount of effort are rewarded differently all over the world. Bent gets a fraction of what Furlong gets - but plays more minutes? Does he not have as many impacts. Is he overpaid or underpaid? How about Penny versus Rol? Which one of them tries harder, risks more?

    It is not for me to say what a fair remuneration is for the workload of a professional rugby player, opportunity cost of being a professional rugby player, and risks (both physical and financial) involved in pursuing that path.

    But I can say for sure these three things.
    1. There is a massive spectrum of professionalism, the lower end of that spectrum is definitely underpaid.
    2. Players are in a terrible negotiation position, a low information enviornment, and emotionally compromised when they come to the table
    3. We (as a society) do a very good job of brainwashing young kids into dreaming of playing for Leinster. That can only count against them when it comes to contract time.


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    #2168
    Jerry Attrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Jerry Attrick


    errlloyd wrote: »
    This is the wrong thread for it, but it isn't quite like the rest of us.

    Many commit fully to it (emotionally and educationally) before they are paid. Most are fairly naive about the potential consequences, the potential impact on their future health, and future earning potential. They're kept in a fairly tight bubble. Many have the carrot of potentially earning well in front of them, but the stick of failure behind them.

    The truth is professional athletes' remuneration isn't linearly tied to effort. Players who put in the same amount of effort are rewarded differently all over the world. Bent gets a fraction of what Furlong gets - but plays more minutes? Does he not have as many impacts. Is he overpaid or underpaid? How about Penny versus Rol? Which one of them tries harder, risks more?

    It is not for me to say what a fair remuneration is for the workload of a professional rugby player, opportunity cost of being a professional rugby player, and risks (both physical and financial) involved in pursuing that path.

    But I can say for sure these three things.
    1. There is a massive spectrum of professionalism, the lower end of that spectrum is definitely underpaid.
    2. Players are in a terrible negotiation position, a low information enviornment, and emotionally compromised when they come to the table
    3. We (as a society) do a very good job of brainwashing young kids into dreaming of playing for Leinster. That can only count against them when it comes to contract time.


    That's bad enough, but what's far, far worse is when some evil person sidles up to them a few years later and assures them that if they move to another
    province they'll be far happier and much more successful.


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    #2169
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    So. What kind of side for Fri?


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    #2170
    thegreycity
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    Jerry Attrick wrote: »
    That's bad enough, but what's far, far worse is when some evil person sidles up to them a few years later and assures them that if they move to another
    province they'll be far happier and much more successful.

    552734.jpeg


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    #2171
    durthacht
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    Dubinusa wrote: »
    So. What kind of side for Fri?

    Ah screw that, the question is what will be the salary cost of Friday... :D


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    #2172
    pickarooney
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    arsebiscuits1 wrote: »
    Being a pro athlete is a privilege.

    They're rewarded with a chance to get paid to play sport

    A lot of them are rewarded with spending a chunk of the year in rehab and major physical problems in later life


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    #2173
    pickarooney
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    Jerry Attrick wrote: »
    Also worth bearing in mind that paying someone a salary of €40k a year will cost an employer €4K more in PRSI and presumably the employer will also have to cover a hefty insurance premium to cover the cost of injury.

    So if we look at JJ's €180K, Munster would have been paying an extra €19,500 a year for PRSI.

    If we're comparing with France, a salary of 180k to an employee costs an employer 510k total. I'd be surprised if it was less than half that for an Irish employer.

    https://entreprise.pole-emploi.fr/cout-salarie/#estimer-cout-salarie


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    #2174
    hold my beer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    pickarooney wrote: »
    If we're comparing with France, a salary of 180k to an employee costs an employer 510k total. I'd be surprised if it was less than half that for an Irish employer.

    https://entreprise.pole-emploi.fr/cout-salarie/#estimer-cout-salarie

    Are you working back from a net salary of 180k?


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    #2175
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 5,972 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    I thought it was well established that Leinster players don't take any money (except for the dirty, foreign mercenaries) and simply play for pride in the jersey, free bacon and pear sandwiches and the luxury of being able to live close to their mums.


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    #2176
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I thought it was well established that Leinster players don't take any money (except for the dirty, foreign mercenaries) and simply play for pride in the jersey, free bacon and pear sandwiches and the luxury of being able to live close to their mums.

    It’s not that they don’t take money it’s that they don’t need it.


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    #2177
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Bacon? Bacon!? A Leinster play wouldn't sully themselves with common-as-muck bacon. And in a sandwich? Get away down to Limerick with you.

    It's proscuttio and pear crostini, or they're off to France.


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    #2178
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    Bacon? Bacon!? A Leinster play wouldn't sully themselves with common-as-muck bacon. And in a sandwich? Get away down to Limerick with you.

    It's proscuttio and pear crostini, or they're off to France.

    Prosciutto ;)


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    #2179
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    You'll have to forgive me, I'm from Kildare.


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    #2180
    dub_skav
    Registered Users Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭dub_skav


    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    You'll have to forgive me, I'm from Kildare.

    It's OK, you've suffered enough


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    #2181
    Rigor Mortis
    Registered Users Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Rigor Mortis


    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    You'll have to forgive me, I'm from Kildare.

    Ham so.


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    #2182
    Dave_The_Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Covid-19 riddled ham.


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    #2183
    ongarite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,218 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Doris back for Leinster for Ulster game

    https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/1392796261326020614


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    #2184
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Team named. Doris is back. Jimmy is back. Milne is back

    Very strong team. No 10 cover though unless you count Jimmy or Garry


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    #2185
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    I'd like to see Foley get some proper minutes now too behind a pack that's not getting the stuffing knocked out of them


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    #2186
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,896 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Have Baird and Ryan started a game together at second row?

    Looking forward to seeing that.


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    #2187
    arsebiscuits1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Clegg wrote: »
    Have Baird and Ryan started a game together at second row?

    Looking forward to seeing that.

    They started a game together a few months back yeah - can't remember which one

    EDIT: It was against Northampton just before Xmas


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    #2188
    TRC10
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    Good to see Milne in the squad. Hasn't played since November but he's shown good promise and we desperately need some young looseheads to come through. Both Leinster and Ireland.


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    #2189
    AbusesToilets
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    Was there any update on how serious Ruddock's injury was?


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    #2190
    errlloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 12,603 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Was there any update on how serious Ruddock's injury was?

    I think it was like 6-8 weeks hamstring strain.


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    #2191
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Great to see Doris back. Same goes for JOB, who I think was having a great season until injury. I am disappointed with the selection though. It's a strong side filled with experience, but I was hoping to see more of a mix of experience and academy players. Leo must be treating this as a serious competition now that Europe is done and dusted.


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