FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

meeeeh · 11-05-2021 12:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes...the doorsteps beckon. Not looking good tbh.

Maybe. The issues ard not easy to fix though and everyone should remember where Labour ended when they promised sun, moon and stars.

Shebean · 11-05-2021 01:49PM

Water charges and metering were brought in to make money not to help the environment. The board appointments and questionable metering contract. We sold a company at a loss and then awarded that company a state contract.
These are some of the issues people have with the whole thing. Because either FF or FG, (depending on the period) left the water infrastructure to rot for generations and used the public interest in the environment to look after their own cronies. This was at a time when the country was in the aftermath of a meltdown. Their personal greed has no shame.
Labour didn't lose out for 'promising the sun, moon and stars'. It was because they supported Fine Gael and didn't stand up to them.
FG welcomed and encouraged private companies in buying up and building to rent property because they wouldn't build meaningful numbers of social housing. Now we've passed the tipping point they have the cheek to pretend it's all news to them.
I think the fact that housing has eclipsed Covid in the public mind has them scared and rightfully so.
Ordinary people are being priced out and paying ridiculous rents. This is not on the 4.93%, (2019 figure) of unemployed often abused and misused to excuse private greed ran amok and encouraged by FF and FG.

RandomViewer · 11-05-2021 03:39PM

I think the only way water charges would ever pass would be the total dissolution of FG and an understanding that all party members and their offspring could never hold any public office and that Redacted and all his cronies be interned forever,

blanch152 · 11-05-2021 05:36PM

Shebean wrote: »

Water charges and metering were brought in to make money not to help the environment.

Oh dear god, what is the point of any charge if it doesn't make money?

The water charges were brought in for two purposes

(1) The infrastructure needs investment. This isn't going away as a problem and the State will need more sources of income to pay for the infrastructure.

(2) The polluter pays principle. Anyone who wastes water pays more. That is the impetus behind the charges.

Cluedo Monopoly · 11-05-2021 05:56PM

Ha ha, Blanch trying to win an argument he lost years ago!

Maybe you want to pay for waste, bureaucracy and corruption but I don't want my tax wasted.

FG promised to reduce the number of quangos in Ireland and created the biggest superquango of them all.

Alan Dukes (Fine Gael)

"A glorious, god-awful mess has been made of Irish Water, we've ended up with a system now that no rational person would have invented if they had sat down to put this kind of system together. The hope must be that it will work lamely until some sort of coherent system is put in place."

Fergus O'Dowd (Fine Gael TD)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30654080.html

My proposal to ban Irish Water privatisation was deleted.

The minister who set up Irish Water has said there are "forces" within the Department of the Environment who want to privatise the water network.

Fergus O'Dowd said there was good reason to be concerned about the possibility of Irish Water being sold to private hands.

The Fine Gael TD made his comments in the Dáil in the early hours of the morning, as TDs debated the Water Services Bill.

"We have reason to be concerned," he said. "I am convinced there are other forces at work here - not necessarily political forces - that are active and they do have an influence."

I'll be your huckleberry...

Bubbaclaus · 11-05-2021 06:11PM

Clearly I've missed something along the way, because I was under the impression there was water charges coming in starting January 2022. Has that since been postponed?

11-05-2021 06:34PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Clearly I've missed something along the way, because I was under the impression there was water charges coming in starting January 2022. Has that since been postponed?

Best of luck with that one!

Bubbaclaus · 11-05-2021 07:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Best of luck with that one!

Not sure what you mean?

11-05-2021 07:51PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Not sure what you mean?

Course you do!

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 12:14PM

Still no plan or idea what they are going to do regarding the housing crisis.

Micheal Martin praising the Govt over the housing issue on leaders questions, laughable really

12-05-2021 01:02PM

Is this the end wrote: »

Still no plan or idea what they are going to do regarding the housing crisis.

Micheal Martin praising the Govt over the housing issue on leaders questions, laughable really

There are thousands of houses available for sale in the country. Trouble is some want da gubberment to provide one for next to nothing, preferably next to mammy.

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 01:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There are thousands of houses available for sale in the country. Trouble is some want da gubberment to provide one for next to nothing, preferably next to mammy.

Thats the Governments attitude to it all.

Thats why polls on claire byrne and journal.ie show that over 70% of the country have no faith FF or FG can solve the housing crisis.

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 01:51PM

The CSO Residential Property Price Index for March shows House prices increased by 2.8% in Dublin and apartments by 0.7%.

Outside of Dublin house prices are up by 4.5% and apartments up by 10.4%

Il save the govt defenders the embarrassment of having to try defend these numbers and just state that this is all down to Sinn Fein, Social Democrats, PBP and anyone who questions the Govt!!!!

_Kaiser_ · 12-05-2021 02:07PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Opposition from water charges comes from 2 fronts:
1 - dont want to pay for water, should be free etc (cant pay wont pay)
2 - dont want public water to be privatised. Believe it should be totally state/public owned

You'd be doing well to find many people who dont fit into 1 of the 2 categories. But its not a case of everyone wanting it for "free" or wanting others to pay for it.

3 - are sick of seeing yet another tax/charge imposed in a country where those who pay most (of them) get the least return/value for it, and

4 - don't trust the politicians and quango that is IW to deliver on the marketing spin of a better service given the waste and inefficiency that is endemic within virtually all public bodies

blanch152 · 12-05-2021 02:28PM

So we had the OECD yesterday calling for water charges, today it's the turn of the IMF who tell us that taxes have to be increased and the tax base widened (code for water charges).

Plenty of time to run on this.

Shebean · 12-05-2021 02:32PM

All Irish Water is is an administrative body. It uses the same people and contractors Local Authorities did. It uses the same Local Authority workers.
The only new aspects were the laughing yoga, the jobs for the boys on the board and the metering contract to a company the state sold at a loss.
The only difference is more waste and more money to waste.
I cannot see anyone backing a return to day one of Irish water and metering. It would be political suicide and the public have seen behind the curtain.

EDIT+ The IMF called for more social housing.

blanch152 · 12-05-2021 02:36PM

Shebean wrote: »

All Irish Water is is an administrative body. It uses the same people and contractors Local Authorities did. It uses the same Local Authority workers.
The only new aspects were the laughing yoga, the jobs for the boys on the board and the metering contract to a company the state sold at a loss.
The only difference is more waste and more money to waste.
I cannot see anyone backing a return to day one of Irish water and metering. It would be political suicide and the public have seen behind the curtain.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0512/1221039-forsa-irish-water/

Keep up with the news, the plan to transfer staff is still in place.

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 02:37PM

blanch152 wrote: »

So we had the OECD yesterday calling for water charges, today it's the turn of the IMF who tell us that taxes have to be increased and the tax base widened (code for water charges).

Plenty of time to run on this.

The Govt one you support and defend at every opportunity has said outright that there will be no return to water charges.

It wouldnt be allowed by the people (just like when they tried it before)

IMF says Irish government can afford to boost public spending and must tackle housing crisis is currently a headline on the independent.

Cluedo Monopoly · 12-05-2021 02:40PM

Govt getting destroyed by the cuckoo fund issue. They are scrambling to repair the damage but it's a major own goal. They knew there was a problem and chose to ignore it. It will not be forgotten. Martin looked very weak in the Dail earlier. The irony is that FG policy invited the cuckoo funds in and FF are trying to defend it.

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 02:42PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Govt getting destroyed by the cuckoo fund issue. They are scrambling to repair the damage but it's a major own goal. They knew there was a problem and chose to ignore it. It will not be forgotten. Martin looked very weak in the Dail earlier. The irony is that FG policy invited the cuckoo funds in and FF are trying to defend it.

I have a feeling we will see Mr Ryan in leaders questions tomorrow and not the leak.

Shebean · 12-05-2021 02:43PM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0512/1221039-forsa-irish-water/

Keep up with the news, the plan to transfer staff is still in place.

Sorry, how does that relate to my comments?

Water services are currently delivered for Irish Water by local authority water services personnel operating under 31 Service Level Agreements due to continue till 2025.

If they move to Irish Water, they'll still be the same workers from the Local Authority.

Shebean · 12-05-2021 02:45PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Govt getting destroyed by the cuckoo fund issue. They are scrambling to repair the damage but it's a major own goal. They knew there was a problem and chose to ignore it. It will not be forgotten. Martin looked very weak in the Dail earlier. The irony is that FG policy invited the cuckoo funds in and FF are trying to defend it.

The IMF are calling for Irish investment in Education, Childcare and Social Housing.
You know you've made a balls when the IMF are back at the door.

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 04:33PM

Over 300 people on trolleys in hospitals waiting beds over the country getting air time on todayfm

Warnings that the overcrowding will lead to a surge of covid cases.

12-05-2021 04:39PM

Is this the end wrote: »

Over 300 people on trolleys in hospitals waiting beds over the country getting air time on todayfm

Warnings that the overcrowding will lead to a surge of covid cases.

Strange how so few people had accidents or emergencies during lockdown.

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 05:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange how so few people had accidents or emergencies during lockdown.

Thats your response to over 300 who need care in hospital being left on trolleys for upto 48 hours?

It seems recruitment is an issue according to the examiner. Critical staff getting redeployed to do Vaccinations is another.

They had a full year to get pharamists etc involved so critical staff in hospitals wouldn't need to be used.

McMurphy · 12-05-2021 05:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange how so few people had accidents or emergencies during lockdown.

Nothing strange about it, literally millions of people have been observing lockdown, meaning people travelling less, (there was a distinct lack of traffic on the roads for the last year you may have noticed?) and hundreds of thousands working from home/furloughed etc - meaning less work related accidents.

If that was your attempt at deflection, it's a woeful one.

Shebean · 12-05-2021 06:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Strange how so few people had accidents or emergencies during lockdown.

Same reason for this kind of thing:

No cases of flu recorded by HSE so far this winter

https://www.thejournal.ie/winter-flu-cases-ireland-2020-5296226-Dec2020/

People have been staying home and hand sanitising and so on.

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 07:59PM

DCC housing manager has just confirmed to housing committee that govt has approved a number of key long term leasing schemes in past few days. Rushing these through while claiming not to support the model.

Thats from Social Democrat cllr Catherine Stocker on twitter

Cluedo Monopoly · 12-05-2021 08:31PM

Is this the end wrote: »

Over 300 people on trolleys in hospitals waiting beds over the country getting air time on todayfm

Warnings that the overcrowding will lead to a surge of covid cases.

This is a press release from the INMO in November 2019 (2 months before Covid19 hit). The government will happily let our hospitals go back to normal chaos after Covid.

https://inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13549

2019 has seen the highest number of patients on trolleys in any year since records began – despite it still being November.

“Winter has only just begun and the record is already broken. These statistics are the hallmark of a wildly bureaucratic health service, which is failing staff and patients alike.

“We take no pleasure in having to record these figures for a decade and a half. We know the problem, but we also know the solutions: extra beds in hospitals, safe staffing levels, and more step-down and community care outside of the hospital.

“No other developed country faces anything close to this trolley problem. It can be solved, but a strong political agenda to drive change is needed.

“The INMO has written to the health and safety authorities this week to try force a change from the employers. Hospitals should be a place of safety and care – not danger.”

Is this the end · 12-05-2021 08:38PM

Tonight the FF/FG/Green Govt voted Against @sinnfeinireland motions to cut rents, ban rent increases and to end the tax breaks that enable private investment funds snap up family homes, drive up housing prices and leave home buyers out in the cold. #HousingCrisis

FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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