Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

iamwhoiam · 12-05-2021 01:00PM

revelman wrote: »

Every person over 50/60 I know who has recently been vaccinated with AZ has been told to return in 12 weeks.

I think the initial 16 week interval was for younger people (mostly in healthcare) who received AZ some time ago. There was a report somewhere on boards from one of these that they had since been told to get their second dose at 12 weeks.

Every one i know over 60 who had Az was told the HSE would be in touch after 12 weeks

Cole · 12-05-2021 01:00PM

Cole wrote: »

Can anyone point me in the direction of the stats for J and J's efficacy against the UK variant?

Thanks

Anyone got anything on this? Seems quite hard to find any data on this.

josip · 12-05-2021 01:11PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I'm surprised the media aren't making more of this. There's quite a lot of very serious conditions there in cohort 7 and hard to understand how come they are not being looked after, while people in their 50's with nothing are being looked after.

Probably nothing more being made of it because it's a diminishing issue. Considering that:

most Cohort 7 in 60-69 have already received a first dose
many in 50-59 are now receiving appointments
some of the 18-49 in Cohort 7 have already received doses as part of Cohort 4

It wouldn't be unreasonable to calculate that half of (and increasing) Cohort 7 are already being looked after.

snotboogie · 12-05-2021 01:18PM

Numbers were pretty slow coming out of a lot of European countries this week. Today is the first day I can put this together. We have firmly caught up in terms of pace with the rest of the EU but will still almost certainly be the last in Western Europe to hit 40 shots per 100 people. Malta seem to be heading in the same direction as Israel with case numbers. They are down to a 7 day average of 25 daily cases per million. On one hand its good news but on the other hand it emphasises how far we have to go to get there. Even the second best performer in Lithuania are really only halfway towards real suppression of case numbers via vaccination (as can be seen by their current case numbers). Headlines like the number one focus of government shifting from covid to housing seem very premature with this in mind and given we are still last in Western Europe for vaccines administered.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 87.5 May 10th
Lithuania 44.5 May 11th 12
Cyprus 44 May 11th 11
Spain 43 May 10th 10
Germany 42.5 May 10th 8
Denmark 42 May 10th 9
Austria 41.5 May 11th 6
Italy 41 May 11th 5
Estonia 41 May 11th 5
Belgium 40.5 May 10th 4
Portugal 40.5 May 11th 4
Luxembourg 40 May 10th 4
Finland 39 May 10th 1
Sweden 39 May 11th 1
France 38.5 May 10th 1
Netherlands 38 May 9th 1
Ireland 38 May 10th 0
Poland 37 May 10th -3
Greece 37 May 11th -3
Slovenia 36 May 11th -5
Czech Rep 35.5 May 11th -6
Slovakia 35 May 11th -7
Romania 31.5 May 10th -13
Croatia 28 May 10th -20
Latvia 22.5 May 11th -32
Bulgaria 14.5 May 11th -48

revelman · 12-05-2021 01:23PM

Richard Wall on Twitter is now reporting that Ireland has overtaken the U.K. on the daily vaccination rate per 100,000 people. We are at 726 per 100K. The U.K. is at 722.

Edit: Actually, he has updated this. We are at 748 per 100k.

expectationlost · 12-05-2021 01:31PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

I seem to have missed this idea of delaying the 45-49 Age Group. And only using J&J on this Group.
Husband and I fall into this Category.

I thought that *if* NIAC approved J&J (and AZ) for under 50s, then all 4 approved Vaccines would be used - same as 50+.

The HSE has proposed reducing the age limit for the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) vaccine from 50 to 45 years of age, which would further speed up the vaccination rollout next month, according to government sources.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hse-pushes-lower-age-limits-single-shot-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-b67dqbn5s?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620543479

Freaky · 12-05-2021 01:37PM

revelman wrote: »

Every person over 50/60 I know who has recently been vaccinated with AZ has been told to return in 12 weeks.

I think the initial 16 week interval was for younger people (mostly in healthcare) who received AZ some time ago. There was a report somewhere on boards from one of these that they had since been told to get their second dose at 12 weeks.

I got got my first dose AZ in February ( under 40, healthcare worker, female) before all of the clotting reports. As far as I know my second dose will now be offered at 16 weeks instead of 12. I am extremely pro-vaccine and was delighted to get it, however I do have mixed feelings now about getting the second jab. For my age group the risk/benefit of getting AZ seems unclear.

Micky 32 · 12-05-2021 01:40PM

Pandiculation wrote: »

Any indication of when registration will begin for the next age group, which I assume is 40-49 ?

Interestingly i know someone ( 48) who phoned his doctor about the vaccine. Told him to come in tomorrow and roll up the sleeve.

revelman · 12-05-2021 01:43PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Interestingly i know someone ( 48) who phoned his doctor about the vaccine. Told him to come in tomorrow and roll up the sleeve.

And will probably be categorised as Cohort 4!

Tim Robbins · 12-05-2021 01:44PM

josip wrote: »

Probably nothing more being made of it because it's a diminishing issue. Considering that:
most Cohort 7 in 60-69 have already received a first dose

many in 50-59 are now receiving appointments

some of the 18-49 in Cohort 7 have already received doses as part of Cohort 4

It wouldn't be unreasonable to calculate that half of (and increasing) Cohort 7 are already being looked after.

Agree but it's naturally an emotive issue if you feel left out. For example, someone in their twenties with cancer, chronic liver disease or CF?

And your point is more the reason for them to feel aggrieved. Because a month ago a GP could have realistically had 300 in cohort 7 but it's more than likely less than 100 now. Not much really.

FlubberJones · 12-05-2021 01:47PM

revelman wrote: »

Richard Wall on Twitter is now reporting that Ireland has overtaken the U.K. on the daily vaccination rate per 100,000 people. We are at 726 per 100K. The U.K. is at 722.

Edit: Actually, he has updated this. We are at 748 per 100k.

Maybe ireland should start improving the restriction easing rollout then...

revelman · 12-05-2021 01:48PM

Freaky wrote: »

I got got my first dose AZ in February ( under 40, healthcare worker, female) before all of the clotting reports. As far as I know my second dose will now be offered at 16 weeks instead of 12. I am extremely pro-vaccine and was delighted to get it, however I do have mixed feelings now about getting the second jab. For my age group the risk/benefit of getting AZ seems unclear.

I understand your mixed feelings. If it is of any interest, of the 209 cases of these particular blood clots reported by the MHRA, only 4 followed the second dose. Yes, many people have not yet received their second dose but many millions have. The theory is that if you tolerate the first dose, then will tolerate the second. Who knows whether the 4 reported cases after the second dose are actually associated with the vaccine or might have happened anyway?

JPA · 12-05-2021 01:51PM

revelman wrote: »

Richard Wall on Twitter is now reporting that Ireland has overtaken the U.K. on the daily vaccination rate per 100,000 people. We are at 726 per 100K. The U.K. is at 722.

Edit: Actually, he has updated this. We are at 748 per 100k.

UKs current vaccination rate? What were they hitting at peak rate?

Evil_g · 12-05-2021 01:59PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Numbers were pretty slow coming out of a lot of European countries this week. Today is the first day I can put this together. We have firmly caught up in terms of pace with the rest of the EU but will still almost certainly be the last in Western Europe to hit 40 shots per 100 people. Malta seem to be heading in the same direction as Israel with case numbers. They are down to a 7 day average of 25 daily cases per million. On one hand its good news but on the other hand it emphasises how far we have to go to get there. Even the second best performer in Lithuania are really only halfway towards real suppression of case numbers via vaccination (as can be seen by their current case numbers). Headlines like the number one focus of government shifting from covid to housing seem very premature with this in mind and given we are still last in Western Europe for vaccines administered.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 87.5 May 10th
Lithuania 44.5 May 11th 12
Cyprus 44 May 11th 11
Spain 43 May 10th 10
Germany 42.5 May 10th 8
Denmark 42 May 10th 9
Austria 41.5 May 11th 6
Italy 41 May 11th 5
Estonia 41 May 11th 5
Belgium 40.5 May 10th 4
Portugal 40.5 May 11th 4
Luxembourg 40 May 10th 4
Finland 39 May 10th 1
Sweden 39 May 11th 1
France 38.5 May 10th 1
Netherlands 38 May 9th 1
Ireland 38 May 10th 0
Poland 37 May 10th -3
Greece 37 May 11th -3
Slovenia 36 May 11th -5
Czech Rep 35.5 May 11th -6
Slovakia 35 May 11th -7
Romania 31.5 May 10th -13
Croatia 28 May 10th -20
Latvia 22.5 May 11th -32
Bulgaria 14.5 May 11th -48

How are you calculating days behind?

As of the 10th our seven day average is .75 doses per 100 population, per day, which puts us seven days behind Lithuania and Spain, eight behind Cyprus, six behind Germany; and four or less behind everyone else.

Lumen · 12-05-2021 02:07PM

Evil_g wrote: »

As of the 10th our seven day average is .75 doses per 100 population, per day, which puts us seven days behind Lithuania and Spain, eight behind Cyprus, six behind Germany; and four or less behind everyone else.

Some superficial investigation via the EU Vaccine Tracker suggests that Lithuania are ahead of us because they've administered every dose distributed, and our "days behind Lithuania" is entirely due to the fact that we have 450k doses sitting in the fridges (0.0075 doses per capita = 37,500, x 12 = 450k).

I had read previously that our consistently high Moderna stock was due to a requirement from Moderna that we hold back second doses, but if so why doesn't that apply to Lithuania?

Are Lithuania lying about their vaccine administration?

Sorry, I have only questions :-)

keno-daytrader · 12-05-2021 02:08PM

revelman wrote: »

Every person over 50/60 I know who has recently been vaccinated with AZ has been told to return in 12 weeks.

I think the initial 16 week interval was for younger people (mostly in healthcare) who received AZ some time ago. There was a report somewhere on boards from one of these that they had since been told to get their second dose at 12 weeks.

Not according to the HSE website last updated on 10th May

"If you are under 60 without a high-risk, or a very high-risk medical condition, you should wait until 16 weeks have passed to get your 2nd dose."

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/immunity/

Charles Babbage · 12-05-2021 02:13PM

JPA wrote: »

UKs current vaccination rate? What were they hitting at peak rate?

The peak day in the UK was 844,285, which would be equivalent to 62,700/day here. We may exceed this in June.

Garrigai · 12-05-2021 02:17PM

Is it possible to view what has been delivered so far?

1huge1 · 12-05-2021 02:18PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The peak day in the UK was 844,285, which would be equivalent to 62,700/day here. We may exceed this in June.

Possibly even sooner, we hit over 52k last Friday.

Lumen · 12-05-2021 02:18PM

Garrigai wrote: »

Is it possible to view what has been delivered so far?

Dunno about direct Irish sources, but the EU stats are in the top-right panel on here:

https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#distribution-tab

Evil_g · 12-05-2021 02:21PM

Garrigai wrote: »

Is it possible to view what has been delivered so far?

Just tweeted ten minutes ago:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1392467272892092418

stephenjmcd · 12-05-2021 02:21PM

Garrigai wrote: »

Is it possible to view what has been delivered so far?

Link below

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/0ca30-covid-19-vaccine-supply-updates/

Total delivered into country by Sunday 2.3 million.
Total used by Monday 1,882,635

Take into account then doses to go out this week being estimated at the 250k mark along with the other requirements surrounding buffers etc brings us past the 2m doses mark used at a minimum this week

stephenjmcd · 12-05-2021 02:24PM

We may see more MVC switch to Pfizer this week and next I would think. That AZ supply is running fairly close to be used up.

566,000 in country and 532,411 used up to end of Monday.

The bumper delivery week of 401,480 is what's being used for the increase we're seeing because the pace of weekly vaccination is currently outstripping the supply incoming.

expectationlost · 12-05-2021 02:27PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Agree but it's naturally an emotive issue if you feel left out. For example, someone in their twenties with cancer, chronic liver disease or CF?

are other people in their twenties vaccinated no, so why do these people feel left out?

Evil_g · 12-05-2021 02:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

We may see more MVC switch to Pfizer this week and next I would think. That AZ supply is running fairly close to be used up.

Yep.

PhoenixParker · 12-05-2021 02:31PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

We may see more MVC switch to Pfizer this week and next I would think. That AZ supply is running fairly close to be used up.

566,000 in country and 532,411 used up to end of Monday.

The bumper delivery week of 401,480 is what's being used for the increase we're seeing because the pace of weekly vaccination is currently outstripping the supply incoming.

Also dose 1 for the over 70s is nearly complete so Pfizer isn't needed for them anymore, there are some second doses but it's basically now available for all groups.

keno-daytrader · 12-05-2021 02:32PM

So if a 50 year old gets jabbed with AZ on say June 1st, they have to wait until Oct(ish) to get second jab and then not considered fully vaccinated until the middle of Oct. , 2 weeks after second jab.

However get J and J and 2 weeks after you are considered fully vaccinated.

PFE you are good to go after 5 weeks from 1st jab with the second given on time.

They had no new data when they lowered AZ jab from only over 60's to now over 50's. J and J just got approved and they said oh sheet, we better change the AZ now to over 50's to match with what we've said for J and J.

I dont think NIAC have a clue, they seem to make it up as they go along, hence the decision to push out second AZ to 16 weeks waiting for "new data" and yet not extending the PFE out to six weeks from 4 weeks to speed things up.

Everything they seem to do is to cover their own arses.

12-05-2021 02:36PM

Greystones running a lot smoother today
Very busy but taking a half hour in the queue
They are motoring,doing some 59 yr olds there today
Astrazenica today still

Lumen · 12-05-2021 02:36PM

keno-daytrader wrote: »

So if a 50 year old gets jabbed with AZ on say June 1st, they have to wait until Oct(ish) to get second jab and then not considered fully vaccinated until the middle of Oct. , 2 weeks after second jab.

However get J and J and 2 weeks after you are considered fully vaccinated.

PFE you are good to go after 5 weeks from 1st jab with the second given on time.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40278833.html

There was confusion on Thursday after a table that showed when people who had received different brands of vaccine would be considered fully vaccinated was taken from Gov.ie website.

However, Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said on Friday that this guidance was still in place.

It will mean that people are considered fully vaccinated:
Four weeks after their first dose of AstraZeneca.

Two weeks after the one-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

Two weeks after their second dose of Moderna.

One week after their second dose of Pfizer.

If they have had a PCR-confirmed case of Covid-19 in the last six months.

Dr Holohan said the consideration had been made based on evidence of protection from the virus from different vaccines. However, he stressed the second dose of AstraZeneca would still be needed.

"The evidence is very clear that the first dose of AstraZeneca is giving, broadly speaking after a period of four weeks, a similar level of protection to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

revelman · 12-05-2021 02:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

We may see more MVC switch to Pfizer this week and next I would think. That AZ supply is running fairly close to be used up.

566,000 in country and 532,411 used up to end of Monday.

The bumper delivery week of 401,480 is what's being used for the increase we're seeing because the pace of weekly vaccination is currently outstripping the supply incoming.

German Health Ministry expecting a second delivery of AZ similar to earlier this month. This might mean we could get 160,000+ AZ doses in coming days.

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