Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Boggles · 12-05-2021 01:35PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

And yet we had grifters on National TV claiming we were looking at 120,000 deaths...we'd have freezers full of bodies... .

And far more qualified people claiming the pandemic was over last summer, purely seasonal, etc.

It's why I don't listen to them.

Can you state the same?

normanoffside · 12-05-2021 01:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your understanding would be wrong.

They have a sensitivity of 60-65%.

So the extensive EU studies which certified them as have 90+% sensitivity are wrong?

Klonker · 12-05-2021 01:37PM

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Do you known what is happening in France?

They have curfews. From next week, they're moving from 7pm to 9pm and on the 9th of June to 11pm, which will finish on the 30th of June, wow. They finished their travel restrictions a week before us. They do have indoor stuff like dining and sports coming back the same week we have outdoor dining coming back. It's not all that rosey though.

Great, I can go stand outside in the dark at 11pm at night, isn't that better than being able to go to a pub or restaurant.

Also not fined 2k for trying to leave the country. They also have over 10 times our ICU levels per capita, if they had our current rates they'd have no restrictions. If we had there's we'd be back to level 5+. Don't forget our construction is only fully back 2 weeks where as it never closed in the rest of Europe. There's nobody to compare our restrictions too, laughing stock of Europe.

FintanMcluskey · 12-05-2021 01:42PM

Klonker wrote: »

Great, I can go stand outside in the dark at 11pm at night, isn't that better than being able to go to a pub or restaurant.

Also not fined 2k for trying to leave the country. They also have over 10 times our ICU levels per capita, if they had our current rates they'd have no restrictions. If we had there's we'd be back to level 5+. Don't forget our construction is only fully back 2 weeks where as it never closed in the rest of Europe. There's nobody to compare our restrictions too, laughing stock of Europe.

Seemingly having everywhere shut for almost 5 months is better than a shorter less severe lockdown of a few weeks as seen in France, as Paddy can walk about in the dark of Winter at 2 in the morning.

Within 5 km of his home of course .

12-05-2021 01:47PM

normanoffside wrote: »

So the extensive EU studies which certified them as have 90+% sensitivity are wrong?

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n287/rr-1

Have things changed? Where is the published data?

Or are you referring to wishful thinking in this EU document that antigen tests would reach 90%?

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Options-use-of-rapid-antigen-tests-for-COVID-19.pdf

Boggles · 12-05-2021 02:03PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Seemingly having everywhere shut for almost 5 months is better than a shorter less severe lockdown of a few weeks as seen in France, as Paddy can walk about in the dark of Winter at 2 in the morning.

Within 5 km of his home of course .

You still adhering to that Fintan?

Also France "lockdown of a few weeks".

You do realize these things are easily fact checked right?

Penfailed · 12-05-2021 02:10PM

gansi wrote: »

Gosh when you look at England they are so far ahead in their reopening loads of things to do legoland and places like that so much more in terms of entertainment and recreation, masks for schools kids going on May 17, out door dining well up and running. So so slow here though.

Vaccines.

gozunda · 12-05-2021 02:15PM

normanoffside wrote: »

So the extensive EU studies which certified them as have 90+% sensitivity are wrong?

Which "studies" are those Norman?

As far as I'm aware there's been one major study of different types of rapid antigen detection test. The sensitivity of such tests was found to vary significantly
across test brands; estimates ranged from 0% to 94%, with an average sensitivity of 56.2% (95% CI 29.5% to 79.8%).

A test with 56% sensitivity means it will miss nearly half of positive cases.

Boggles · 12-05-2021 02:17PM

Klonker wrote: »

Great, I can go stand outside in the dark at 11pm at night, isn't that better than being able to go to a pub or restaurant.

Also not fined 2k for trying to leave the country. They also have over 10 times our ICU levels per capita, if they had our current rates they'd have no restrictions. If we had there's we'd be back to level 5+. Don't forget our construction is only fully back 2 weeks where as it never closed in the rest of Europe. There's nobody to compare our restrictions too, laughing stock of Europe.

The number of COVID-19 patients in French intensive care units fell below 5,000 for the first time since March 29 on Sunday in a sign that the third wave of the coronavirus is easing, health ministry data showed.

The number was down for a sixth day in a row at 4,971, against 5,005 the previous day, the ministry said.

The ministry also said a total of 106,392 people had died from COVID-19 as of Sunday, up 115.

The number of new confirmed infections rose by 9,128 against 9,888 a week earlier, taking the total to 5.78 million.

5,000 still in ICU, 100,000+ dead, 100,000s hospitalized.

Yeah I'm sure the likes of France are píssing themselves laughing at us. :rolleyes:

average_runner · 12-05-2021 02:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

You still adhering to that Fintan?

Also France "lockdown of a few weeks".

You do realize these things are easily fact checked right?

You are forgetting that the same people said that house prices would fall through the floor, rents would crash etc!!!

Boggles · 12-05-2021 02:31PM

average_runner wrote: »

You are forgetting that the same people said that house prices would fall through the floor, rents would crash etc!!!

I know, the health service has only the guts of a month left and there will large swathes of public workers made unemployed.

But Tony is the doom monger-er and he wants your pints, something, something.

12-05-2021 02:32PM

Klonker wrote: »

Well done oh wise ones. You have convinced us, the great unwashed to use tests that you yourself are not convinced to use. How did ye more mighty beings munipulate us in such easy fashion?

Very few posters here were against PCR testing, those that were were against using positive tests as a metric to prolonging restrictions when rate of positive test to serious illness was falling dramatically due to vaccination. What most on here are for is the easing of restrictions as quickly as possible in a safe manner and I personally think antigen testing will be a part of this including self administered antigen testing.

But restrictions were relaxed when raw case numbers were not falling. So positive test was obviously not the main metric being used in decision making, in spite of thread "Facts"

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 02:38PM

Is there any other country in Europe that does not have a date for indoor dining yet besides us, do people not find that a bit odd, in spite of the fact that we are planning to vaccinate over 250K this week. Replies like France has a curfew is just fluff, what the hell can we do here at night anyway, everything is shut.

normanoffside · 12-05-2021 02:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n287/rr-1

Have things changed? Where is the published data?

Or are you referring to wishful thinking in this EU document that antigen tests would reach 90%?

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/Options-use-of-rapid-antigen-tests-for-COVID-19.pdf

No I’m referring to this which puts all approved Antigen tests (including the one sold in LIDL) At well over 90% sensitivity

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/default/files/preparedness_response/docs/covid-19_rat_common-list_en.pdf

boccy23 · 12-05-2021 02:39PM

So can I hug my mam now without a mask inside?

She had her second Pfizer dose 3 weeks ago.

Silentcorner · 12-05-2021 02:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But restrictions were relaxed when raw case numbers were not falling. So positive test was obviously not the main metric being used in decision making, in spite of thread "Facts"

The daily numbers fell off a cliff at the end of last January....over three months ago...restrictions have been relaxed because too many ordinary people were not paying attention to the stringent measures because they didn't make any sense.

That or the cost of all this madness can't be sustained or a combination of both...but don't try to make out that the daily numbers have not driving the decision making policies we have been subjected to for over 14 months.

Why did Tony rush back from work a day early last Oct and go straight to the media on a Sunday suggesting we needed to move to level 5 ASAP , undermining his collegues on Nphet and the Government, gut feeling?

Boggles · 12-05-2021 02:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Is there any other country in Europe that does not have a date for indoor dining yet besides us, do people not find that a bit odd, in spite of the fact that we are planning to vaccinate over 250K this week. Replies like France has a curfew is just fluff, what the hell can we do here at night anyway, everything is shut.

Because sometimes plans are not worth the paper they written on.

Bars, cafés and restaurants in France have been closed since the second lockdown began on October 30th – and were closed for almost three months in the spring during the first lockdown. They are allowed to offer take-away services.

When the second lockdown was lifted on December 15th, a provisional schedule was laid out that included bars and restaurants reopening on January 20th

Boggles · 12-05-2021 02:50PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why did Tony rush back from work a day early last Oct and go straight to the media on a Sunday suggesting we needed to move to level 5 ASAP ,

You of course have evidence of this?

In your own good time.

Silentcorner · 12-05-2021 02:54PM

Boggles wrote: »

You of course have evidence of this?

In your own good time.

You don't remember Tony Houlihan returning to work a day early back in Oct, on a Sunday, where he went straight to the media to advise that we need to go into level 5 lock downs despite the advice of Nphet the previous Thursday?

Do you know what Boggles, I should have you on ignore like most others....

Boggles · 12-05-2021 02:57PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You don't remember Tony Houlihan returning to work a day early back in Oct, on a Sunday, where he went straight to the media to advise that we need to go into level 5 lock downs despite the advice of Nphet the previous Thursday?

Nope, that's why I am asking for evidence of such.

So in your own good time.

I mean if you are going to ask another poster why did X happen but offer no evidence that X did actually happen that is some bad faith posting.

As for sticking me on ignore, by all means do, no need to announce it.

Personally I feel the internet needs less echo chambers. but hey, up to you.

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 03:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

Because sometimes plans are not worth the paper they written on.

We will have over 50% of the population vaccinated. If plans don't work this time. They will never work

12-05-2021 03:07PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

The daily numbers fell off a cliff at the end of last January....over three months ago...restrictions have been relaxed because too many ordinary people were not paying attention to the stringent measures because they didn't make any sense.

That or the cost of all this madness can't be sustained or a combination of both...but don't try to make out that the daily numbers have not driving the decision making policies we have been subjected to for over 14 months.

Why did Tony rush back from work a day early last Oct and go straight to the media on a Sunday suggesting we needed to move to level 5 ASAP , undermining his collegues on Nphet and the Government, gut feeling?

One person giving out that we were using test numbers as a metric to keep things closed and the other that we weren't using test numbers as a metric to reopen. And both agreeing with each other. Its hard to know if your coming or going on this thread

Silentcorner · 12-05-2021 03:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

One person giving out that we were using test numbers as a metric to keep things closed and the other that we weren't using test numbers as a metric to reopen. And both agreeing with each other. Its hard to know if your coming or going on this thread

Ah come on, that's a bit infantile.

You know perfectly well there what is being suggested.

The RAT results are not to be used as a tool to keep everyone terrified, like the PCR test results.

You know this.

Why do we still publish the results of the PCR tests, if you believe that the numbers are not driving policy?

setanta1984 · 12-05-2021 03:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope, that's why I am asking for evidence of such.

There in black and white: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-40068992.html

Surprising anyone could have forgotten that considering the uproar that weekend...

12-05-2021 03:30PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why do we still publish the results of the PCR tests, if you believe that the numbers are not driving policy?

Because it is the simplest measure to understand. Plain and simple.

Boggles · 12-05-2021 03:34PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

There in black and white: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-40068992.html

Surprising anyone could have forgotten that considering the uproar that weekend...

Nope, no where does that support the claim I asked for evidence of.

I'll give you a hint, it didn't happen.

The poster not backing up his claim and threatening to put me on ignore because I dare asked him to may have been a hint.

Silentcorner · 12-05-2021 03:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it is the simplest measure to understand. Plain and simple.

Is it? I'd have thought hospilatizations were the simplest....we currently have 100 or 200 people in hospital with Covid, we have 11,000 hospital beds.

Simple.

niallo27 · 12-05-2021 03:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it is the simplest measure to understand. Plain and simple.

Straight question, if most of Europe has indoor dining at the start of June and we only have outdoor, who do you think is right, us or Europe.

Boggles · 12-05-2021 03:42PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Straight question, if most of Europe has indoor dining at the start of June and we only have outdoor, who do you think is right, us or Europe.

Straight question.

England will have roughly 70% first dosed by they time they open indoor hospitality next week.

More or less what we are aiming for by July.

Do you think at this stage of the pandemic, with vaccine supply ramping up and going into arms that we should follow what the UK are doing?

Or should we get overly contrary over a few odd weeks whilst other countries in Europe are taking more risky punts?

PTH2009 · 12-05-2021 03:43PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Straight question, if most of Europe has indoor dining at the start of June and we only have outdoor, who do you think is right, us or Europe.

Europe but Media/NPHET/Government will swerve it in a way saying 'we were right'

Outdoor hospitality should be opening here sooner and going well Indoor in June.

It's pure cowardess by the government and me thinks the delay in the guidelines for Hospitality been released is so there won't be an excuse for early opening

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings