What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Overheal · 11-05-2021 08:13PM

Graham sees no irony in whoring out the party for Trump, claims half their base will evaporate if they don't bow to dear leader

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1392203363379552259?s=20

literal cult of personality, he's even calling it "Trump+"

Tell me how · 11-05-2021 08:26PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

They have done it because to lose even 10m of that 74m means they are toast. Having backed themselves into a corner they really are stuck for a way forward.

The issue though is not Trump voters, it is how do they win non Trump voters. And selecting Trump doesn't achieve that.

They were faced with two poor options. Ditch Trump and start from scratch, or continue to hold onto the deflating lifevest. They seem to have chosen the short term better option but the possibility of being successful is terribly small.

I think the thinking behind it is nothing about Trump or POTUS. It is purely about protecting their own seats in the short term.

Yes if those people shift to vote Democrat which I don't think is guaranteed.
Bear in mind about 28M extra people voted in 2020 than in 2016 after what was the most heavily broadcast and talked about campaign in any of our lifetimes.

With this in mind, if 10M of Trump voters don't vote in 2020, but 11M of Biden's don't (keeping in mind key states) then it's still a contest.

And, as I've said before, even though Biden won the Popular vote by 7M if 180K votes across 4 key states had gone to Trump instead of him, then Trump would have been returned.

Republicans don't need to win non-Trump voters, they just need to get more of the steadfast Republicans to actually vote than Biden in key areas.

I hoped by this point Trump would be long cut adrift from politics and we'd only be hearing about him in the context of ongoing investigations, but the GOP looked at his 74M and handed him the keys.

Leroy42 · 11-05-2021 08:53PM

But why do you think the 74m will want to get out and vote by the 81m that voted for Biden won't? If anything, seeing him bullying his way back onto the ballot paper, when he was already soundly beaten and refused to accept the result will drive the vote to beat even higher.

People learnt from HC campaign that one needs to get out to vote to win, and the Democracts managed it spectacularly in 2020. There is nothing to suggest that Trump will have anything new to offer, if anything he appears to be wedded to the idea of running on the basis that he was robbed in 2020.

Tell me how · 11-05-2021 09:28PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

But why do you think the 74m will want to get out and vote by the 81m that voted for Biden won't? If anything, seeing him bullying his way back onto the ballot paper, when he was already soundly beaten and refused to accept the result will drive the vote to beat even higher.

People learnt from HC campaign that one needs to get out to vote to win, and the Democracts managed it spectacularly in 2020. There is nothing to suggest that Trump will have anything new to offer, if anything he appears to be wedded to the idea of running on the basis that he was robbed in 2020.

I expect both sides will see a drop in turnout and I fear that many Democrats might feel that there's no way he'll get back again after everything that happened and that as a consequence they will not be as motivated to make sure they vote (Not to mention the restrictions being introduced in states specifically to reduce the number of those likely to vote Democrat)

Trump most definitely will have nothing to to offer in 2024, he has never had anything to offer and delivered accordingly while President. But that didn't stop him before.

Best case for me, he stays being their leader until just before election and then whether it's illness, old age, or justice, he finally is removed from being a political entity. This would stop anyone else building up a head of steam.

extra gravy · 12-05-2021 06:34AM

https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1392275376735408128?s=19

All but one Republican walked out when she made her speech. In case anyone was still in any doubt that's it now a cult.

Quin_Dub · 12-05-2021 08:55AM

Tell me how wrote: »

I expect both sides will see a drop in turnout and I fear that many Democrats might feel that there's no way he'll get back again after everything that happened and that as a consequence they will not be as motivated to make sure they vote (Not to mention the restrictions being introduced in states specifically to reduce the number of those likely to vote Democrat)

Trump most definitely will have nothing to to offer in 2024, he has never had anything to offer and delivered accordingly while President. But that didn't stop him before.

Best case for me, he stays being their leader until just before election and then whether it's illness, old age, or justice, he finally is removed from being a political entity. This would stop anyone else building up a head of steam.

I'd disagree , If Trump in on the ballot , motivation will not be an issue for Democrat voters.

Gerrymandering and Vote suppression absolutely will be though which is why it is imperative that they get the Voting rights laws passed.

Cody montana · 12-05-2021 09:55AM

More than 100 Republicans will sign a letter tomorrow threatening to create a third party if the GOP doesn't "break" with former President Trump, Reuters first reported

Should be interesting.

Quin_Dub · 12-05-2021 10:21AM

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1392275376735408128?s=19

All but one Republican walked out when she made her speech. In case anyone was still in any doubt that's it now a cult.

And yet Kevin McCarthy said that the GOP was a "Big Tent Party" and that unlike the left they were a party of "Free thought and debate".

But they all leave the room when one of their own is debating and expressing her own free thoughts.

Interesting.

duploelabs · 12-05-2021 10:23AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And yet Kevin McCarthy said that the GOP was a "Big Tent Party" and that unlike the left they were a party of "Free thought and debate".

But they all leave the room when one of their own is debating and expressing her own free thoughts.

Interesting.

As with nearly everything associated with the Republicans, accuse the other side of what they're complicit of

Tell me how · 12-05-2021 10:25AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And yet Kevin McCarthy said that the GOP was a "Big Tent Party" and that unlike the left they were a party of "Free thought and debate".

But they all leave the room when one of their own is debating and expressing her own free thoughts.

Interesting.

'Accuse others of that which you are guilty'

Conservative PR Strategy 101

The Raging Bile Duct · 12-05-2021 11:03AM

briany wrote: »

I'm surprised whoever came up with that theory stopped themselves from going the whole hog and saying the Chinese ballots smell of soy sauce, or something.

The ballots are easy to spot because the ex-president's name is written 'Donard Tlump' on them.

Muahahaha · 12-05-2021 11:08AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I'd disagree , If Trump in on the ballot , motivation will not be an issue for Democrat voters.

Gerrymandering and Vote suppression absolutely will be though which is why it is imperative that they get the Voting rights laws passed.

I think the voter suppression will be significant by the time 2024 rolls around. In Georgia the Republicans only need to flip 11,700 votes and the state legislature is trying to bring in a raft of laws designed to repress the vote. Things like closing polling stations at 5pm instead of the usual 8pm because they know poor people who vote Democrat often work two jobs and getting to a polling station for 5pm would be difficult for them. If the Reps get away with those kind of tricks then I would say them winning back Georgia is a done deal already because 11,700 votes is nothing out of a total of 5 million. If they repeat the trick in Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin while holding Florida and Ohio then they have every chance of winning in 2024, it is actually that close despite the huge chasm in the overall popular vote.

There is also the factor of who Trump could be facing, will it be Biden or Harris? If it is Biden then Joe would be the favourite but if its Harris then Im not so sure that she could energise the country to stave off Trump for his comeback special. She has time on her hands and a good platform as VP but it depends how much she uses that to raise her profile to being a serious Presidential contender.

If it is Kamala who runs for the Dems Trump would turn his campaign into a festival of misogyny and dog whistle racism which he knows his base will get riled up by, it would not be pretty to watch but we know Trump has form in these things and would definitely be angling at her being black and female. In a divided America that could actually work if Kamalas campaign was not a strong and convincing one.

everlast75 · 12-05-2021 11:45AM

Finally!!!

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1392258987551346691?s=19

Professor Moriarty · 12-05-2021 11:48AM

Cody montana wrote: »

More than 100 Republicans will sign a letter tomorrow threatening to create a third party if the GOP doesn't "break" with former President Trump, Reuters first reported

Should be interesting.

Popcorn time!

Quin_Dub · 12-05-2021 11:50AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think the voter suppression will be significant by the time 2024 rolls around. In Georgia the Republicans only need to flip 11,700 votes and the state legislature is trying to bring in a raft of laws designed to repress the vote. Things like closing polling stations at 5pm instead of the usual 8pm because they know poor people who vote Democrat often work two jobs and getting to a polling station for 5pm would be difficult for them. If the Reps get away with those kind of tricks then I would say them winning back Georgia is a done deal already because 11,700 votes is nothing out of a total of 5 million. If they repeat the trick in Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin while holding Florida and Ohio then they have every chance of winning in 2024, it is actually that close despite the huge chasm in the overall popular vote.

There is also the factor of who Trump could be facing, will it be Biden or Harris? If it is Biden then Joe would be the favourite but if its Harris then Im not so sure that she could energise the country to stave off Trump for his comeback special. She has time on her hands and a good platform as VP but it depends how much she uses that to raise her profile to being a serious Presidential contender.

If it is Kamala who runs for the Dems Trump would turn his campaign into a festival of misogyny and dog whistle racism which he knows his base will get riled up by, it would not be pretty to watch but we know Trump has form in these things and would definitely be angling at her being black and female. In a divided America that could actually work if Kamalas campaign was not a strong and convincing one.

Hard to disagree with any of that to be honest.

All the more reason for the Democrats to find some way to get the Voting laws passed.

Even if they have to play a "exclude votes about Civil rights from the Filibuster" shell game to get it done.

Without it , the US political system is at enormous risk.

relax carry on · 12-05-2021 12:08PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And yet Kevin McCarthy said that the GOP was a "Big Tent Party" and that unlike the left they were a party of "Free thought and debate".

But they all leave the room when one of their own is debating and expressing her own free thoughts.

Interesting.

Free thought and debate so long as those thoughts and debates are the "right" sort. Can't be having anything that may reflect badly on the party now can we.

Cody montana · 12-05-2021 12:30PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Popcorn time!

The trump party or the Republican Party?

Grim.

everlast75 · 12-05-2021 01:22PM

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1392469508837842946?s=19

Tell me how · 12-05-2021 02:11PM

And comments from Donald on it.

https://twitter.com/pwidakuswara/status/1392474374838620165

Worth noting, that in her time as a Senator while Trump was President, she voted in line with his policies 97% of the time.
With friends like these...

Quin_Dub · 12-05-2021 02:17PM

Tell me how wrote: »

And comments from Donald on it.

https://twitter.com/pwidakuswara/status/1392474374838620165

Worth noting, that in her time as a Senator while Trump was President, she voted in line with his policies 97% of the time.
With friends like these...

And her Leadership replacements voting record shows a less than 50% alignment with GOP/Trump policy.

But - She goes on TV saying Trump is great and that he won the Election , which is really all that matters anymore for the GOP.

Policy , Conservatism etc. no longer matter , as long as you are willing to lie for Trump and tell him that he's awesome that's all that's required.

briany · 12-05-2021 02:28PM

Tell me how wrote: »

And comments from Donald on it.

https://twitter.com/pwidakuswara/status/1392474374838620165

Worth noting, that in her time as a Senator while Trump was President, she voted in line with his policies 97% of the time.
With friends like these...

No surprises, but still it has to be said that it's another complete dearth of class from Donald. But, in saying that, he's built his brand on being crass and classless. His supporters like it, so it's probably a calculated thing to talk like that. Trouble remains that it continues to drive a wedge between him and more moderate, traditional Republicans, as well as swing voters.

Quin_Dub · 12-05-2021 03:36PM

briany wrote: »

No surprises, but still it has to be said that it's another complete dearth of class from Donald. But, in saying that, he's built his brand on being crass and classless. His supporters like it, so it's probably a calculated thing to talk like that. Trouble remains that it continues to drive a wedge between him and more moderate, traditional Republicans, as well as swing voters.

Exactly - Hence the GOP withholding the polling data that shows that he is poison outside of his base.

The entire thinking here is based on their abject terror of being Primaried by a MAGA die-hard and for those from Bright red districts that's all that really matters.

But for those in Swing Districts & States a safe primary may not be enough.

History suggests that taking back control of the House in a mid-term should be a readily achievable goal for the GOP , but with Trump hanging around they are really working on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory here.

Rjd2 · 12-05-2021 03:44PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

And her Leadership replacements voting record shows a less than 50% alignment with GOP/Trump policy.

But - She goes on TV saying Trump is great and that he won the Election , which is really all that matters anymore for the GOP.

Policy , Conservatism etc. no longer matter , as long as you are willing to lie for Trump and tell him that he's awesome that's all that's required.

That is a very simplistic take tbf.

Numerous Republicans have gone on record and gone after Trump and are fine.

The reason why she is gone is because she annoyed Kevin Mc Carthy , not everything resolves around Trump.

I don't see why people are upset anyhow, Cheney is an absolute monster of a person with an utterly horrific political POV.

Its utterly hilarious and anyone who is is anyway upset is just weird.

Quin_Dub · 12-05-2021 04:04PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

That is a very simplistic take tbf.

Numerous Republicans have gone on record and gone after Trump and are fine.

The reason why she is gone is because she annoyed Kevin Mc Carthy , not everything resolves around Trump.

I don't see why people are upset anyhow, Cheney is an absolute monster of a person with an utterly horrific political POV.

Its utterly hilarious and anyone who is is anyway upset is just weird.

Not really..

McConnell hates Trump and so is not interested in taking action against Romney et al. so Senators have been largely free to speak their mind (and do absolutely nothing about it however)

The House GOP under McCarthy though is a cess-pool.

The only people really speaking up in the House against Trump have been Cheney and Kinzinger.

There's nothing that McCarthy can do to Kinzinger really as he doesn't hold any GOP controlled position, although the local State level GOP are going after him and he will absolutely be primaried by a MAGA acolyte.

Cheney however does have something that McCarthy can take away , so he has.

BTW - I agree with you , Cheney is an awful individual and I have no sympathy for her.

My interest in her ouster is not that I feel anything even remotely close to sympathy or support for her. It's simply a telling window into the absolute fealty to Trump that the GOP and the House in particular now believe is essential.

However abhorrent I find Cheneys principles and "classic GOP" principles in general , she at least has them (after a fashion) and is willing to take the hits to stand by them.

McCarthy et al now only have one Principle which is to say and do whatever Trump wants or asks no matter what.

everlast75 · 12-05-2021 04:11PM

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1392486740095553540?s=19

Childish a**holes

Overheal · 12-05-2021 04:24PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1392486740095553540?s=19

Childish a**holes

Well look at him, he is a child.

Tell me how · 12-05-2021 04:44PM

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1392486740095553540?s=19

Childish a**holes

That's just tailor made for a 'Well at least I can stand tall and hold my head high' response to Madison from Cheney.

briany · 12-05-2021 04:48PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Exactly - Hence the GOP withholding the polling data that shows that he is poison outside of his base.

The entire thinking here is based on their abject terror of being Primaried by a MAGA die-hard and for those from Bright red districts that's all that really matters.

But for those in Swing Districts & States a safe primary may not be enough.

History suggests that taking back control of the House in a mid-term should be a readily achievable goal for the GOP , but with Trump hanging around they are really working on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory here.

If they take back the House, it'll be because candidates are given leeway to distance themselves from Trump and Trumpism wherever the strategists think its appropriate. By the same token, candidates will absolutely run with the Trump message in places where they think it gives them an advantage.

Point is that the elections for the House are more of a granular thing, so whatever way it goes can't really be called an endorsement or indictment of Trump, even though this is how pundits will spin it. If the Republicans are willing to maintain ties with Trump despite losing the presidency, house and senate, then I don't know why they would continue to back him in the case of losing the house again. The only definitive repudiation of Trump we can see is if he runs for the 2024 nomination but fails to clinch it.

Igotadose · 12-05-2021 05:15PM

Tell me how wrote: »

That's just tailor made for a 'Well at least I can stand tall and hold my head high' response to Madison from Cheney.

Sadly, Cawthorn's wheelchair-bound. Has gone full Trumplodyte after not being one earlier on.

Overheal · 12-05-2021 05:19PM

If you thought Fox News was going to distance itself from Tucker-lite programming, Trey Gowdy and Don Bongino are getting their own programs. Yes, really.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/just-in-dan-bongino-and-trey-gowdy-get-their-own-shows-on-fox-news/

What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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