Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Sky King · 12-05-2021 09:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland is saving no one....Your country is richer so can afford more vaccines at the start. That's about it. .

Where does the aid for developing countries come from?

Are rich countries in a position to provide aid to others if their economies are crippled due to widespread virus?

rameire · 12-05-2021 09:34AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

33,888 done Monday.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-10-may-2021.pdf

I notice there is a correction to numbers in Cohort 1 and to the Non coded cohort.
And the Cohort 4 correction has not occurred as of yet.

Russman · 12-05-2021 09:34AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I don’t think anyone would, but we have a shortage of vaccines in Ireland. NIAC have blocked unvaccinated people from getting a perfectly safe vaccine, they prefer extending lockdown rather than vaccination.

If it’s perfectly safe why are some countries putting in restrictions on its use or deciding not to use it at all ? I agree the risk is very small and if NIAC decide it’s safe, then fantastic, but you can’t have joe bloggs on the internet deciding the medical experts are wrong because he’s in a rush to get his jab.

Nobody anywhere prefers to extend lockdown, that’s “restrictions thread” logic, and lockdown won’t be extended at this stage because a huge chunk of the vulnerable are vaccinated and hopefully we’ll be able to keep vaccinating ahead of any rise in cases and hospitalisations. Delaying younger cohorts by a few weeks won’t extend lockdown.

GLaDOS · 12-05-2021 09:35AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

33,888 done Monday.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-10-may-2021.pdf

Must be the highest Monday by a distance.

We only have to match last weeks numbers for the rest of the week to hit this weeks target. Wonder can we break our stated target for the 3rd week in a row?

1huge1 · 12-05-2021 09:35AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

33,888 done Monday.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-10-may-2021.pdf

Brilliant, thats c. 261k done in 7 days!. First time we've gone above 250k in a 7 day period.

Lucas Hood · 12-05-2021 09:38AM

GLaDOS wrote: »

Must be the highest Monday by a distance.

We only have to match last weeks numbers for the rest of the week to hit this weeks target. Wonder can we break our stated target for the 3rd week in a row?

70% increase from previous highest Monday. 19881 26th April.

FlubberJones · 12-05-2021 09:40AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

If you're offered pfizer or moderna,it will be just 4 weeks
I notice they've changed the mobile number that sends verifications from a UK one to an Irish one

Yes I am hoping for one of these as I believe this will allow me to travel easier.

PmMeUrDogs · 12-05-2021 09:40AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

Registered this morning, expecting it won't be long before I have the invite for the jab... shame it's not J&J as that would mean I would be in the clear soon... rather than the 12 week wait for the second dose. Hopefully restrictions will ease overall allowing us to travel anyway..

You may not necessarily be offered AZ. My dad registered last week and is getting Pfizer, he's in his fifties. 4 week gap

12-05-2021 09:41AM

Sky King wrote: »

Where does the aid for developing countries come from?

Are rich countries in a position to provide aid to others if their economies are crippled due to widespread virus?

To say excess vaccines shouldn't be given to countries that need them because you should get your own oxygen mask on first is vile. Ireland is on the way out of this shortly while most of the world has barely any.

The rest of the world will be buying the vaccines when the West are vaccinated. Covax is barely aid. It's freeing up some vaccines that rich countries have paid big premiums for.

PhoenixParker · 12-05-2021 09:42AM

The over 70s are basically done now so Pfizer is available for all once again.

podgeandrodge · 12-05-2021 09:44AM

robinbird wrote: »

Like spinning the wheel. You never know what you might get second time.

Do you mean if you don't accept the first vaccine date, you won't know how long it could be before you get another date, or that you could get a different vaccine?

I'd have thought once a vaccine is allocated for you, the appointment changes are just dates and times. But could be wrong, interesting to hear if anyone experienced this.

Valhallapt · 12-05-2021 09:49AM

Russman wrote: »

If it’s perfectly safe why are some countries putting in restrictions on its use or deciding not to use it at all ?

Why did South Africa give away AZ vaccines? I’ve no idea makes no sense....., almost all countries receiving J&J have no restrictions, those that do are in the minority.

I’m not deciding if it’s safe, the EMA and FDA have monitored extensive trials and deemed it safe, they have been consistent and accurate from the start, I place my trust in the EMA not the political appointees in NIAC

The fact NIAC moved AZ restrictions several times, shows a lack of competence at the heart of the quango.

Sky King · 12-05-2021 09:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To say excess vaccines shouldn't be given to countries that need them because you should get your own oxygen mask on first is vile.

I think we need to get our economy open first and then we can start to help others. Helping others goes beyond Covax, it's also foreign aid generally. We are in a much better position to do this with an open and functioning economy.

I am not opposed to giving away excess vaccines by the way, but as I mentioned in a previous post we do not have any excess vaccines.

You may think we should wait and give away a lot of our vaccines before using them at the expense of opening up our economy early, I think you will find your viewpoint to be in the minority.

JDD · 12-05-2021 09:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To say excess vaccines shouldn't be given to countries that need them because you should get your own oxygen mask on first is vile. Ireland is on the way out of this shortly while most of the world has barely any.

The rest of the world will be buying the vaccines when the West are vaccinated. Covax is barely aid. It's freeing up some vaccines that rich countries have paid big premiums for.

Honestly, this is the way the world works. It is vile, but it is no different to before Covid.

We don't open our borders to every immigrant, because we want to protect our relatively rich economy. We don't make laws to say companies must pay factory workers in third world countries a minimum wage because we like buying cheap things. First world countries vaccinating their own first is no different.

You might say that we are shooting ourselves in the foot, because if covid gets out of control in somewhere like Nigeria or Kenya, and then mutates into something that is vaccine resistant, well I guess we are willing to take that chance in order to have our economies return to some kind of normal this year.

The only real way out of this for third world countries is waiving the IP rights of pharma companies on how they have produced the vaccine. That way third world countries can start producing their own generic vaccines. I can actually see this happening but only because of the risk of vaccine resistant mutations, not out of any concern for covid running rampant in a third world country.

12-05-2021 09:59AM

At least you admit it's vile. India crying out for oxygen and a poster says Ireland should get its masks on first.

12-05-2021 10:10AM

A cousin told me yesterday that she had her AZ vaccine in City West, but that similarity my situation in Aviva, she was standing 1 hour 46 minutes, and much of it in the rain and wind. Seems to be quite a matter of long queues at times. Somebody became unwell in her queue probably due to low blood pressure and she doesn't know whether they were able to get the vaccine.

Sky King · 12-05-2021 10:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

At least you admit it's vile. India crying out for oxygen and a poster says Ireland should get its masks on first.

You are right about the choice of analogy - that probably was in bad taste. It actually wasn't intentional.

I stand by eliminating Covid and opening our economy here first though, and I believe most citizens of Ireland, indeed the EU would agree with this approach.

Is your idea to give our vaccines to India?

12-05-2021 10:27AM

Sky King wrote: »

You are right about the choice of analogy - that probably was in bad taste. It actually wasn't intentional.

I stand by eliminating Covid and opening our economy here first though, and I believe most citizens of Ireland, indeed the EU would agree with this approach.

Is your idea to give our vaccines to India?

Of more than 1 billion Covid-19 vaccine doses administered globally so far, 82 percent have been in high or upper middle-income countries, while just 0.3 percent have been administered in low-income countries, the WHO chief, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said on April 29.

You might think that opening up the Irish economy is super-duper important for helping these low-income countries, but I think they need more than 0.3% of vaccines fifteen months after this all started.

It is actually remarkable to me that you believe Ireland getting it's economy opened is important for these countries. Just be honest and admit it's rich people getting their own supply first.

12-05-2021 10:30AM

Sky King wrote: »

You are right about the choice of analogy - that probably was in bad taste. It actually wasn't intentional.

I stand by eliminating Covid and opening our economy here first though, and I believe most citizens of Ireland, indeed the EU would agree with this approach.

Is your idea to give our vaccines to India?

If they are vaccines that we can't use because of the age restriction, then why shouldn't we send them to India?

Zipppy · 12-05-2021 10:33AM

Ontario province in Canada has stopped giving AZ to 'anyone'!!

Previously it was for 40 to 65 year olds...before that only 55 to 65 year olds...

Apparently there's been a rise in reporting of blood clots...

snotboogie · 12-05-2021 10:33AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of more than 1 billion Covid-19 vaccine doses administered globally so far, 82 percent have been in high or upper middle-income countries, while just 0.3 percent have been administered in low-income countries, the WHO chief, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, said on April 29.

You might think that opening up the Irish economy is super-duper important for helping these low-income countries, but I think they need more than 0.3% of vaccines fifteen months after this all started.

It is actually remarkable to me that you believe Ireland getting it's economy opened is important for these countries. Just be honest and admit it's rich people getting their own supply first.

That number can't be right. India alone have vaccinated 175 million people. 17% of all vaccines have been administered in India. Unless they are not counting India as a low income country? China, India and Brazil make up 3 of the top 5 countries with vaccines used. You'd swear the West was hoarding everything by your post.

12-05-2021 10:35AM

Sky King wrote: »

You are right about the choice of analogy - that probably was in bad taste. It actually wasn't intentional.

I stand by eliminating Covid and opening our economy here first though, and I believe most citizens of Ireland, indeed the EU would agree with this approach.

Is your idea to give our vaccines to India?

The truth is though, that this inst over until the rest of the world gets vaccine access. We will always be looking over our shoulder when there is a large viral reservoir in large parts of the globe

emrys · 12-05-2021 10:35AM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

They haven't defined Cohort 9 and I don't think the previous definition of Cohort 9 will work as there's crossover with current cohorts. Presumably it is everybody aged 16-59?

I presume its the 50-59 group?

Gile_na_gile · 12-05-2021 10:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just be honest and admit it's rich people getting their own supply first.

Bit off-topic, no? The other person already stated that it was out of self-interest that we vaccinate ourselves first. Then reinforced that with the argument that our functioning economy greatly helps foreign aid (and perhaps moreso than one running a deficit for longer).

Ireland and other developed countries have responded to India's plight with oxygen-generating equipment and ventilators, and I'm sure vaccines will follow in the summer from the EU. More questionable is the fact that the UK imported vaccines from India and did not send any back, and they the formal colonial power with ambitions to be a global power again.

Sky King · 12-05-2021 10:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they need more than 0.3% of vaccines fifteen months after this all started.... Just be honest and admit it's rich people getting their own supply first.

I am not sure where I haven't been honest.

I am curious as to what you think should Ireland do differently?

If they are vaccines that we can't use because of the age restriction, then why shouldn't we send them to India?

I agree.

12-05-2021 10:37AM

Zipppy wrote: »

Ontario province in Canada has stopped giving AZ to 'anyone'!!

Previously it was for 40 to 65 year olds...before that only 55 to 65 year olds...

Apparently there's been a rise in reporting of blood clots...

Slovakia have also suspended it following the death of a 47 year old woman.

podgeandrodge · 12-05-2021 10:47AM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Slovakia have also suspended it following the death of a 47 year old woman.

""Effective today, Ontario will be pausing the rollout and administration of first doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine at this time," Williams told reporters on Tuesday.

Williams said the decision was made out of an abundance of caution. The blood clotting syndrome, while rare, can be fatal.

According to the Ontario health ministry, as of May 8, more than 853,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine were administered with a rate of VITT of roughly 1 per 100,000 doses administered.

The ministry said there have been increased reports of VITT, with a rate of 1.7 per 100,000 doses administered, over the last few days.

Williams said the Ontario government is reviewing the data to consider whether to use AstraZeneca for second doses and is preparing guidance for people who received AstraZeneca as a first dose.

Williams said the decision to pause the use of AstraZeneca is also based on an increased supply of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines and a downward trend in COVID-19 cases. The province has asked the National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) to provide direction on the mixing and matching of different brands of vaccine for first and second doses.

"The National Advisory Committee on Immunization says people at low risk of COVID-19 should wait until they can get a dose from Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna.

Dr. Andrew Morris, an infectious diseases physician and director of the antimicrobial stewardship program at Sinai Health in Toronto, said given what we now know of the risk of VITT combined with greater supply of Pfizer and Moderna, and lower incidence of COVID-19 in most of Canada, the benefits of the AstraZeneca vaccine no longer outweigh the risks in most of Canada.

He said if COVID-19 hot spots in places like Toronto, Brampton, Winnipeg, and much of Alberta can't get enough doses of Pfizer or Moderna, then AstraZeneca still is a good choice there.

"Everywhere else, it no longer makes sense based on what we know, to give AZ vaccine," he said on Twitter."

zebastein · 12-05-2021 10:48AM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Slovakia have also suspended it following the death of a 47 year old woman.

The more Pfizer/Moderna/J&J vials the countries receive , the more freedom they have to take this kind of decisions, as the impact of the suspension on the overall vaccination campaign is reduced now compared to the same decision take 1/2months ago.

Sofa King Great · 12-05-2021 10:48AM

1huge1 wrote: »

Brilliant, thats c. 261k done in 7 days!. First time we've gone above 250k in a 7 day period.

That is more people vaccinated in the last 7 days than the total number of confirmed Covid cases since the start!

stephenjmcd · 12-05-2021 10:52AM

FreeGaf wrote: »

Im 48 years old and it will be a big no from me if offered AZ. I'll wait it out a few more weeks now until i have a choice.

For quite possibly the hundredth time on this thread (between all the various posters saying it), there isn't & won't be a choice anytime soon.

Anyway your u50 so won't be offered it at the moment

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