Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

titan18 · 11-05-2021 08:16AM

robinbird wrote: »

Cohort 4 and Cohort 7 have been used interchangeably. So most of those that have Cohort 7 criteria have already been referred as part of the 250,000 Cohort 4 referrals. Most of those who have been complaining in this thread about not being allowed skip the queue are self diagnosed mild asthmatics that do not meet the Cohort 7 criteria.

I'm definitely part of cohort 7 based on the criteria due to BMI and I haven't been called/referred yet. I'm guessing there's a lot in similar situation.

PmMeUrDogs · 11-05-2021 08:20AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It was all very fine sending texts with date and time to the 65 and over .They are likely to be retired and can go anytime .I see an issue when the groups are younger and working and have kids etc .It wont be as easy to leave work or mind kids or be in City West if you work in the airport etc . I wonder how it will pan out then

I think MOST employers are fairly okay with it.

I got a call with very little notice (call at 3pm for 9am vaccination) and I work in work, not from home.

I texted my boss and said I couldn't come in til 10.30 (due in around 9) because I was being vaccinated. I was told to come in at 11 so I had time to eat after the vaccine and they'd manage without me because of the reason for my lateness.

My siblings and friends have had similar reactions from their workplace.

pc7 · 11-05-2021 08:27AM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

My siblings and friends have had similar reactions from their workplace.

Same here, have my vaccine this week and was just told to mark the time as busy in my diary and take whatever time is needed.

eoinbn · 11-05-2021 08:27AM

robinbird wrote: »

All the worked up mild asthmatics need to stop with the righteous indignation.
Using an inhaler you bought in a shop does not entitle you to jump the queue.
You need to be getting specific medication to qualify for Cohort 7. Age is a greater risk factor so you will just have to wait your turn in this age based rollout.
Or else find a GP that will add you to the 250,000 that have already got a Cohort 4 referral, many for the asthma.

Gotta agree with this. It is tiring to hear people moan about something that many brought upon themselves. Many are in cohort 7 due to lifestyle choices. They have known for 15 months that there is a virus out there that hits unhealthy people harder yet they are still living off Coke and Domino's.

noplacehere · 11-05-2021 08:28AM

pc7 wrote: »

Same here, have my vaccine this week and was just told to mark the time as busy in my diary and take whatever time is needed.

Education staff have been told to take a sick day I believe from the TUI

11-05-2021 08:33AM

eoinbn wrote: »

Gotta agree with this. It is tiring to hear people moan about something that many brought upon themselves. Many are in cohort 7 due to lifestyle choices. They have known for 15 months that there is a virus out there that hits unhealthy people harder yet they are still living off Coke and Domino's.

...I think you're confusing asthma - a respiratory condition - with obesity or type 2 diabetes.
People with asthma did not bring it on themselves.

Happydays2020 · 11-05-2021 08:40AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not sure what alternative you imagine here. They are the GPs so you'd hope they'd have the data but they did not come up with the plan. For this phase now ending they've been key but what we are now moving into they are just one part of a very big system.

Yes. I agree - for the phase just ending they were key.

eoinbn · 11-05-2021 08:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

...I think you're confusing asthma - a respiratory condition - with obesity or type 2 diabetes.
People with asthma did not bring it on themselves.

I didn't mean to refer to people with asthma - I can see why quoting the post that I did would imply that. Apologies.

Wolf359f · 11-05-2021 08:56AM

eoinbn wrote: »

I didn't mean to refer to people with asthma - I can see why quoting the post that I did would imply that. Apologies.

So what are the conditions in cohort 7 that are lifestyle choices and are there any conditions in cohort 4 that would be lifestyle choices also?

Pablo Escobar · 11-05-2021 09:18AM

21,137 vaccinations on Sunday. I make that 244,103 for the week Monday-Sunday.

Chris_5339762 · 11-05-2021 09:19AM

Just about any workplace will allow a bit of time off for staff to get vaccinated, and will give a bit of sick leave for a day or two if you get a mild side effect from it. Its in their interest after all.

ANY workplace that gets shirty about any of the above just isn't worth working for and they are awful.

Lucas Hood · 11-05-2021 09:21AM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

21,137 vaccinations on Sunday. I make that 244,103 for the week Monday-Sunday.

I make it 244,243 but target met for the week which is great.

I don't think you've included J&J Jabs from Thursday or Friday.

iamwhoiam · 11-05-2021 09:25AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

...I think you're confusing asthma - a respiratory condition - with obesity or type 2 diabetes.
People with asthma did not bring it on themselves.

Agreed . Nor did Type 1 diabetics , an autoimmune disease. It annoys that people can dismiss people in cohort 7 like that .

Pablo Escobar · 11-05-2021 09:27AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I make it 244,240 but target met for the week which is great.

I don't think you've included J&J Jabs from Thursday or Friday.

I have updated for them. Not sure why there's a difference, but most likely it's the data source. I'm not updating for when figures are re-stated.

Either way, that's good progress.

iamwhoiam · 11-05-2021 09:32AM

eoinbn wrote: »

Gotta agree with this. It is tiring to hear people moan about something that many brought upon themselves. Many are in cohort 7 due to lifestyle choices. They have known for 15 months that there is a virus out there that hits unhealthy people harder yet they are still living off Coke and Domino's.

So which of these conditions are you judging to be self inflicted ?
Cancer ? Cystic Fibrosis ? Type 1 diabetics? Chronic kidney disease ? Or any of the list below ?

Cancer

Haematological - within 1 year.

Haematological - within 1 - 5 years.

Non-haematological - within 1 year.

All other cancers on non-hormonal treatment.

Chronic heart (and vascular) disease

Chronic heart disease, for example: heart failure, hypertensive cardiac disease.

Chronic kidney disease

Chronic kidney disease with eGFR <30ml/min.

Chronic liver disease

Chronic liver disease, for example: cirrhosis or fibrosis.

Chronic neurological disease or condition

Chronic neurological disease or condition significantly compromising respiratory function and/or the ability to clear secretions, for example: Parkinson's disease, cerebral palsy.

Chronic respiratory disease

Other chronic respiratory disease, for example: stable cystic fibrosis, severe asthma (continuous or repeated use of systemic corticosteroids), moderate COPD.

Diabetes

All other diabetes (Type 1 and 2).

Immunocompromised

Immunocompromise due to disease or treatment, for example: high dose systemic steroids (as defined in Immunisation Guidelines for Ireland Chapter 3), persons living with HIV.

Inherited metabolic diseases*

Disorders of intermediary metabolism not fulfilling criteria for very high risk.

Intellectual disability*

Intellectual disability*** excluding Down Syndrome.

Obesity

BMI >35 Kg/m2.

Severe mental illness*

Severe mental illness, for example: schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, severe depression.

*additional or updated medical conditions

** APECED - autoimmune polyendocrinopathy candidiasis ecto- dermal dystrophy

*** WHO definition of intellectual disability as “impairments in adaptive, social, and intellectual functioning (IQ<70), requiring daily support, with onset in the developmental phase (<18 years)”

Source: gov.ie

Russman · 11-05-2021 09:32AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I make it 244,243 but target met for the week

Another very good week. Really hope they continue with the slightly "under promise and over deliver" way they've been doing things. 244k when expecting 240k is so much better than 244k when expecting 250k, even though its still 244k people jabbed !

I see the Indo reporting that cabinet are going to decide on extending the Pfizer dose gap to 6 weeks, has anyone run a scenario to see what that would do to our projections/dates ? Would the extra first doses available in the short term offset the J&J restriction if NIAC didn't budge on the age advice ?

eoinbn · 11-05-2021 09:33AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So what are the conditions in cohort 7 that are lifestyle choices and are there any conditions in cohort 4 that would be lifestyle choices also?

Poor diet contributes to: heart disease, liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes, high BMI(which gets you on the list as it is a sign of many of the other issues listed). That just off the top of my head.
But hey - personal responsibility was thrown out the window years ago.

Lumen · 11-05-2021 09:39AM

eoinbn wrote: »

Poor diet contributes to: heart disease, liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes, high BMI(which gets you on the list as it is a sign of many of the other issues listed). That just off the top of my head.
But hey - personal responsibility was thrown out the window years ago.

Golden age bullsh!t thinking.

Personal responsibility has never been the basis for allocation of medical treatments.

Drinking a can of soft drink a day is supposed to massively increase your risk of all cancers, independent of other risk factors. As is eating even small amounts of cooked cured meat, or browned carbohydrates.

Even aside from the ethics, unless we're going to start interviewing people about their lifetime toast eating habits this is a practical dead end.

PmMeUrDogs · 11-05-2021 09:42AM

eoinbn wrote: »

Poor diet contributes to: heart disease, liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes, high BMI(which gets you on the list as it is a sign of many of the other issues listed). That just off the top of my head.
But hey - personal responsibility was thrown out the window years ago.

No, it wasn't, but we don't refuse medical treatment to people if they caused their own illness.

Self inflicted or not, they're higher risk than others, so need to be vaccinated first.

Fwiw, I'm 32 and was vaccinated weeks ago due to an autoimmune disease - not self inflicted, I can't help but have it.

iamwhoiam · 11-05-2021 09:43AM

eoinbn wrote: »

Poor diet contributes to: heart disease, liver disease, kidney disease, diabetes, high BMI(which gets you on the list as it is a sign of many of the other issues listed). That just off the top of my head.
But hey - personal responsibility was thrown out the window years ago.

I wont even go into the list of chronic conditions with you but do you understand about Type 1 diabetes at all ? Its an auto immune disease , it often starts in early childhood or adolescence . It has absolutely nothing to do with life style so educate yourself before judging others please

eoinbn · 11-05-2021 09:46AM

Lumen wrote: »

Golden age bullsh!t thinking.

Personal responsibility has never been the basis for allocation of medical treatments.

Drinking a can of soft drink a day is supposed to massively increase your risk of all cancers, independent of other risk factors. As is eating even small amounts of cooked cured meat, or browned carbohydrates.

Even aside from the ethics, unless we're going to start interviewing people about their lifetime toast eating habits this is a practical dead end.

I never said it was - you are just making stuff up. All I said I am sick of hearing people moaning about other people not helping them when they don't do anything to help themselves.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I wont even go into the list of chronic conditions with you but do you understand about Type 1 diabetes at all ? Its an auto immune disease , it often starts in early childhood or adolescence . It has absolutely nothing to do with life style so educate yourself before judging others please

Please don't insult my intelligence. There is hardly a person on this board that doesn't know that diet is a major factor in type 2 diabetes.

This will be my last reply on this as it is tiresome explaining the obvious.

1huge1 · 11-05-2021 09:47AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I make it 244,243 but target met for the week which is great.

I don't think you've included J&J Jabs from Thursday or Friday.

Very likely then that when we get Mondays vaccine numbers tomorrow, we should they first rolling 7 day 250k reached. Tuesday (today) at a stretch.

MerlinSouthDub · 11-05-2021 09:49AM

Great to see vaccinations flying along now. Should reach 2 million doses on Thursday.

podgeandrodge · 11-05-2021 09:55AM

"The European Union is willing to see its Covid-19 vaccine contract with AstraZeneca fulfilled three months later than agreed, providing the company delivers 120 million doses by the end of June, a lawyer representing the bloc said today."

With upcoming huge amounts of Pfizer in the coming months, why would there still be a need for 120m AZ at end June? Will we not be awash with MRNA at that point?

eoinbn · 11-05-2021 09:58AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

"The European Union is willing to see its Covid-19 vaccine contract with AstraZeneca fulfilled three months later than agreed, providing the company delivers 120 million doses by the end of June, a lawyer representing the bloc said today."

With upcoming huge amounts of Pfizer in the coming months, why would there still be a need for 120m AZ at end June? Will we not be awash with MRNA at that point?

Nope, we won't.
However we won't be able to use AZ anyway due to age restrictions. We might only be able to use another 100k doses due to the deliver schedule. The other 300k doses wont be used.

munchkin_utd · 11-05-2021 09:59AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

"The European Union is willing to see its Covid-19 vaccine contract with AstraZeneca fulfilled three months later than agreed, providing the company delivers 120 million doses by the end of June, a lawyer representing the bloc said today."

With upcoming huge amounts of Pfizer in the coming months, why would there still be a need for 120m AZ at end June? Will we not be awash with MRNA at that point?

if the Eu got a heap of AZ reasonably soon then they could be given to willing >40s and the Pfizer jabs could be redirected to the 12 to 40 year old bracket, and get the whole job over with sooner

Fann Linn · 11-05-2021 10:01AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I make it 244,243 but target met for the week which is great.

I don't think you've included J&J Jabs from Thursday or Friday.

Are J & J being rolled out regularly now. And for what category?
Thanks.

is_that_so · 11-05-2021 10:04AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Are J & J being rolled out regularly now. And for what category?
Thanks.

No, we have very little of it at the moment. Only for that vulnerable category at present. Most of it is supposed to be coming near the end of June.

josip · 11-05-2021 10:08AM

Have they got enough 2nd doses of AZ stored to finish those people who've already gotten 1 dose ?

lastusername · 11-05-2021 10:14AM

None of the vaccines have been formally approved by the FDA, EMA, etc - only for emergency usage. The technology has been under development for some time - hence the ultra-fast rollout - but it is still experimental.

If you are under 70 and / or in good health, you'll either have a mild case, not know you have it, or you might get a bad dose for a 2-3 weeks. Or you could end up in hospital (possible but unlikely though if you are healthy).

Then, you are immune as far as we can see - all with no vaccine that could have long term effects - nobody knows.

You are likely to just fight it off with no more than a few sniffles - or with zero symptoms - if you've had the flu before (which is most people I imagine). Covid and the flu are in the same family, and your immune system, T-cells, etc can recognise it and fight it off in the vast majority of cases.

Given all of this, is it worth taking something when you are a healthy person not in an older age group?

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