Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

08-05-2021 11:49PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

In London I hear that they are missing their normal EU staff, who seem to have went home, causing a problem for staffing. Its seriously hard to travel now without 'reasons' and I think the European project is slightly worse off for it.

I miss seeing our European brothers and sisters.

Maybe that’s Brexit dunno, but with it being so hard to travel people might leave here too. Know one who has left here, back to E. Europe, very hard to to plan holidays back to their home, parents etc. with things as they are now.

Penfailed · 08-05-2021 11:53PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Nope. I mean the 14 day data from the level of vaccination that the U.K. began opening up on which NPHET and the government, (like every other country), were watching to see if they had got right. The level of vaccination was always the plan for phased lifting of lockdown.....something that bizarrely some here didn`t appear to know.

Trump got ahead of you on that idea. Test less people and you would have less testing positive. It`s every bit as absurd for the 3 months after January as it was then.

We were nowhere near the level of vaccinations in March necessary. Others attempted opening up at those levels and it did not work. We would have been back in lockdown due to high numbers. Same as every other time we opened up based on nothing other than low numbers.

In my experience restrictions got the numbers down. Every time they were lifted the numbers went back up. Last time before Christmas due to the B.1.1.7 variant they went up rapidly. The government plan was that the numbers be kept as low as possible until the appropriate level of vaccinations was reached.
The restrictions have achieved that, and thanks to the U.K. data we know the vaccination level.

Some now are attempting to explain away what they failed to see citing large numbers of people no longer buying into the need for restrictions and money. There was no evidence of large numbers not following restrictions. If they were our numbers would have been rising similar to much of Europe at that stage.
The money makes less sense.
Are you another who believes that someone suddenly looked at the books and decided we would open up on a date that coincided by sheer coincidence with the date when our vaccination level will be similar to that of the U.K. when they opened to the same level ?

Why did we keep construction closed? Why was click-and-collect not an option? Supermarkets are 'safe' but other shops aren't? Yeah, yeah, food is essential. Schools are 'safe' but those same kids can't play sport together? I understand the requirement for some restrictions. Others...not so much.

Sobit1964 · 08-05-2021 11:55PM

gansi wrote: »

Maybe that’s Brexit dunno, but with it being so hard to travel people might leave here too. Know one who has left here, back to E. Europe, very hard to to plan holidays back to their home, parents etc. with things as they are now.

Its a dahm shame that we are a little rain soaked island off the arse of a ****e stained island once again. I miss our european friends - they were awesome, I hope they come back.

charlie14 · 08-05-2021 11:56PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Have to laugh, you actually just posted it a few minutes ago ya mad yolk.

Have you and Sobit both lost the ability to comprehend simple English.?

Once more. Nobody knew the level of vaccination needed to begin phased reopening until the data on the U.K. attempt was known. Some attempted easing restrictions at lower level and got it wrong.
Nothing to do with our experts knowing more than anyone else.

So as I have answered everything you two have asked. how about both of you answering what you have been asked.

FintanMcluskey · 08-05-2021 11:56PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Why did we keep construction closed? Why was click-and-collect not an option? Supermarkets are 'safe' but other shops aren't? Yeah, yeah, food is essential. Schools are 'safe' but those same kids can't play sport together? I understand the requirement for some restrictions. Others...not so much.

Which restrictions do you understand?

charlie14 · 09-05-2021 12:02AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Why did we keep construction closed? Why was click-and-collect not an option? Supermarkets are 'safe' but other shops aren't? Yeah, yeah, food is essential. Schools are 'safe' but those same kids can't play sport together? I understand the requirement for some restrictions. Others...not so much.

I didn`t say we got everything right, but following the science of the U.K. makes sense to me. The low numbers in hospital and I.C.U. also give us more wriggle room.

Sobit1964 · 09-05-2021 12:02AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Have you and Sobit both lost the ability to comprehend simple English.?

Once more. Nobody knew the level of vaccination needed to begin phased reopening until the data on the U.K. attempt was known. Some attempted easing restrictions at lower level and got it wrong.
Nothing to do with our experts knowing more than anyone else.

So as I have answered everything you two have asked. how about both of you answering what you have been asked.

Thanks for the insult.

charlie14 · 09-05-2021 12:07AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Thanks for the insult.

It wasn`t meant as an insult.

I have said the same to you so often I could see no other possibly explanation for yet again having to repeat it.

I would have thought your thanker terming me "ya mad yoke" was more descriptive of an actual insult. And you actually thanked him

niallo27 · 09-05-2021 12:08AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Have you and Sobit both lost the ability to comprehend simple English.?

Once more. Nobody knew the level of vaccination needed to begin phased reopening until the data on the U.K. attempt was known. Some attempted easing restrictions at lower level and got it wrong.
Nothing to do with our experts knowing more than anyone else.

So as I have answered everything you two have asked. how about both of you answering what you have been asked.

So did they or did they not wing it, the experts of some of the most powerful countries in the world. Did they wing it.

Sobit1964 · 09-05-2021 12:09AM

charlie14 wrote: »

It wasn`t meant as an insult.

I have said the same to you so often I could see no other possibly explanation for yet again having to repeat it.

Its oddly weird that you keep attempting to push a viewpoint that's now debunked with insults.

charlie14 · 09-05-2021 12:13AM

niallo27 wrote: »

So did they or did they not wing it, the experts of some of the most powerful countries in the world. Did they wing it.

Do you believe they got it right ?

Sobit1964 · 09-05-2021 12:17AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Do you believe they got it right ?

If you believe Ireland did better, please explain why with full reference to all factors beyond covid.

Its time to celebrate our greatness perhaps?

charlie14 · 09-05-2021 12:23AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Its oddly weird that you keep attempting to push a viewpoint that's now debunked with insults.

If I didn`t know better I almost believe you were attempting to get me thread-banned.
You do realise that you actually thanked another poster for terming me "ya mad yoke". Would you not view being termed that an insult ?
Tbh, I`m not that soft skinned that it bothers me one way or the other.

Btw, you might consider having a quick peek at the meaning of the word debunked.

gozunda · 09-05-2021 12:25AM

niallo27 wrote: »

So did they or did they not wing it, the experts of some of the most powerful countries in the world. Did they wing it.

Don't know about "winging it" but Germany for example tried opening up but had to quickly slap on a load of restrictions to help reduce their infection rate.

France ditto.

That's the thing though. This is new virus. No country had the data as to approx level of vaccination required so that the infection rate could be kept down and restrictions eased.

Yeah on second thoughts I suppose you could say we're all "winging it". So far the 'experts' in the UK and Israel seem to have got the balance right. Let's hope when we've reached the same level of vaccination and easing of restrictions we can claim similar.

Ted_YNWA · 09-05-2021 12:27AM

Sobit1964 wrote:

Its oddly weird that you keep attempting to push a viewpoint that's now debunked with insults.

charlie14 wrote:

If I didn`t know better I almost believe you were attempting to get me thread-banned. You do realise that you actually thanked another poster for terming me "ya mad yoke". Would you not view being termed that an insult ? Tbh, I`m not that soft skinned that it bothers me one way or the other.

Mod

Can you both drop it. Don't derail the thread with this petty disagreement.

charlie14 · 09-05-2021 12:29AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

If you believe Ireland did better, please explain why with full reference to all factors beyond covid.

Its time to celebrate our greatness perhaps?

You see, there you go again.

I never said I believed we did better.

I believe we will do better because from the U.K. data we know how they have fared at their level of vaccinations for the same level of reopening we will go to, all things being equal, on the 7th. of June.

Penfailed · 09-05-2021 12:40AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Which restrictions do you understand?

Social distancing, restricted numbers indoors, y'know...the usual.

FintanMcluskey · 09-05-2021 12:52AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Social distancing, restricted numbers indoors, y'know...the usual.

In agreement with those one’s

It’s all the rest the Ireland decided to implement long term I disagree with

the kelt · 09-05-2021 01:10AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

What you said:

I asked:

How its going:

Explain?

That’s hilarious, it really is.

It’s like Another “I follow the science and reach my own conclusion” until the man on the television tells me my conclusion should be different moment.

“I never said anything of the sort”

It’s literally there a few mins ago!

What, when, where, eh, ye know, emm, like, ehh, variants, India, new virus, just hold firm. Same stuff, different posters, rinse and repeat.

Graham · 09-05-2021 01:12AM

the kelt wrote: »

It’s like Another “I follow the science and reach my own conclusion” until the man on the television tells me my conclusion should be different moment.

ok, I'll finally give in and ask.

Who is this 'man on the television' you and a couple of others are obsessed with?

09-05-2021 01:14AM

Lads, you'd do better to just talk about stuff that is opening up and maybe highlight it in the areas you live in.

Like, where restrictions are relaxing. This could become a thread about which places are starting to get back going again.

It could be a good thing.

gozunda · 09-05-2021 01:17AM

Graham wrote: »

ok, I'll finally give in and ask.

Who is this 'man on the television' you and a couple of others are obsessed with?

Apparently he only appears here in Ireland on the telly but nowhere else. He is all knowing but knows nothing compared to those who know it all and his main aim is to keep us in lockdown 4ever or something I think or thats what I've gathered...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

mightyreds · 09-05-2021 01:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lads, you'd do better to just talk about stuff that is opening up and maybe highlight it in the areas you live in.

Like, where restrictions are relaxing. This could become a thread about which places are starting to get back going again.

It could be a good thing.

Was in kildare town and outdoor dining had already started, place was packed with people eating and drinking outside , I'm not sure how they stuck the cold

09-05-2021 01:24AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lads, you'd do better to just talk about stuff that is opening up and maybe highlight it in the areas you live in.

Like, where restrictions are relaxing. This could become a thread about which places are starting to get back going again.

It could be a good thing.

Penney’s reopening this week with pre booking then fully open next week. It’s almost booked out, nationwide travel as well, it’s a good start and long may it continue, get the show on the road.

09-05-2021 01:48AM

gansi wrote: »

Penney’s reopening this week with pre booking then fully open next week. It’s almost booked out, nationwide travel as well, it’s a good start and long may it continue, get the show on the road.

Francis St in D8 had a good few people out earlier enjoying a few outdoor pints.

Camden Street also - I passed by lots of places doing take-out stuff and people just hanging out having a beer. Good to see:-)

I just need TK Maxx to open again so I can spend a fortune on socks, jocks and t-shirts.

09-05-2021 01:58AM

mightyreds wrote: »

Was in kildare town and outdoor dining had already started, place was packed with people eating and drinking outside , I'm not sure how they stuck the cold

Today was a pretty mild and balmy day and pretty pleasant. Haven’t seen any places locally with outdoor dining yet though. Must vary from place to place.

mightyreds · 09-05-2021 02:04AM

gansi wrote: »

Today was a pretty mild and balmy day and pretty pleasant. Haven’t seen any places locally with outdoor dining yet though. Must vary from place to place.

I went to Kildare for a take away meal and stood outside a gastropub there with seating(waiting to collect), which was full outside, had to wait 10 minutes and was frozen.

On a separate note they hadn't the toilets open, is this the difference between takeaway and "outdoor dining" if it is it's madness, open the toilets and regulate it

gozunda · 09-05-2021 02:38AM

mightyreds wrote: »

I went to Kildare for a take away meal and stood outside a gastropub there with seating(waiting to collect), which was full outside, had to wait 10 minutes and was frozen.

On a separate note they hadn't the toilets open, is this the difference between takeaway and "outdoor dining" if it is it's madness, open the toilets and regulate it

Don't think outdoor toilets are. Park in local town has toilets open. I reckon not having toilets is a decision by the business itself rather than any current restriction.

Sobit1964 · 09-05-2021 02:53AM

gozunda wrote: »

Don't think outdoor toilets are. Park in local town has toilets open. I reckon that was a decision by the business itself rather than any current restriction.

You don't see the problem and the solution in your post?

gozunda · 09-05-2021 03:14AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

You don't see the problem and the solution in your post?

Businesses providing toilets whilst providing 'take-away services- or?

No restrictions stopping toilets being made available afaik

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings