Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

killbillvol2 · 04-05-2021 12:00PM

Economics101 wrote: »

Main headline in to-day's Irish Times: "Revised Vaccine Plan to proceed with older people first"

So this is news? I know there may be more in the text of the piece, but this is typical of the bad coverage of the Irish MSM.

Tomorrow's headline: "Astronomer finds that earth orbits the Sun"

The story is nuanced but I'm guessing you don't do details.

JTMan · 04-05-2021 12:02PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

EMA have approved Pfizer for use in Europe for Ages 16+ and hopefully will soon approve Ages 12-15. From what I have read I would say July/August depending on speed of rollout. But other posters may be able to give you a better idea.

EMA expected to issue approval in June for 12-15 year olds.

As previously said I think July is attainable for Ireland for vaccinating 12-15 year olds. Others think early August. Either way, I would guess that there will be pressure for 12-15 year olds to be fully vaccinated before schools reopen, so certain rules do not need to apply when schools reopen, which might give a clue as to the timeline.

MerlinSouthDub · 04-05-2021 12:04PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Is that 28% and 30% of the total population or of the adult population?

According to the ECDC vaccine dashboard, Germany has given 28.1% of over 18s a first dose, compared to 29.1% here.

Source: https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

Zipppy · 04-05-2021 12:05PM

astrofool wrote: »

In Ireland? Without being facetious, I would suggest you go over the annual rainfall and temperature charts before claiming that Ireland's summer is "over" by the end of May/June.

Vaccines should allow for some level of travel by August, if you feel May/June is summer, then you're waiting for 2022.

No mention of temperatures..just rainfall

As for rainfall..have a look here https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/monthly-data

May/June compared to July/August, definitely wetter in July/August.

marno21 · 04-05-2021 12:29PM

Skygord wrote: »

Any idea if the EU have ordered any Sinovac?

I know they'll look to approve other vaccines anyway - as the criteria for unrestricted inbound travel is going to be EMA approved vaccines/or tested, just wondering about supplies too?

Hopefully they keep away from ordering it too

Based on the initial data from Chile I’d nearly rather take Covid-19 Vaccine Pat the Baker than Covid-19 Vaccine SinoVac

is_that_so · 04-05-2021 12:55PM

JTMan wrote: »

EMA expected to issue approval in June for 12-15 year olds.

As previously said I think July is attainable for Ireland for vaccinating 12-15 year olds. Others think early August. Either way, I would guess that there will be pressure for 12-15 year olds to be fully vaccinated before schools reopen, so certain rules do not need to apply when schools reopen, which might give a clue as to the timeline.

There will be a whole lot of adults to take care of in July, August and September so back at school may be a better approach.

Chris_5339762 · 04-05-2021 12:56PM

astrofool wrote: »

In Ireland? Without being facetious, I would suggest you go over the annual rainfall and temperature charts before claiming that Ireland's summer is "over" by the end of May/June.

You're right. We don't get a summer, just perpetual autumn

:D

is_that_so · 04-05-2021 12:58PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

According to the ECDC vaccine dashboard, Germany has given 28.1% of over 18s a first dose, compared to 29.1% here.

Source: https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

The collective vaccination levels of all EU countries is surely more relevant now than who's doing better than whom, except maybe Latvia.

munchkin_utd · 04-05-2021 12:59PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

According to the ECDC vaccine dashboard, Germany has given 28.1% of over 18s a first dose, compared to 29.1% here.

Source: https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

that is a snapshot from Thursday, when Germany was having trouble processing the sheer mass of vaccinations on the Wednesday and the numbers werent up until well into the afternoon so probably missing that deadline
On wednesday there was 1.11 million jabs and then 932,000 on Friday , so if the ECDC is missing over 2million jabs then of course it doesnt tally with the full weeks progress.

The 28.7% national figure is of the entire population (23.852.426 as a percentage of 83 million odd is 28.7%)
As a percentage of 69.3 million adults that'd be 34.4% with their first jab if my sums are right

ACitizenErased · 04-05-2021 01:01PM

The German's are flying through it. Brother is 28 and has a BMI just above 30 and got referred for Pfizer vaccine yesterday. He was jabbed at 10am this morning. He said there's 3 to 4 thousand at each vaccine centre at one time between waiting, being jabbed and in for observation. GPs are referring anyone and everyone over there.

Pandiculation · 04-05-2021 01:05PM

Skygord wrote: »

Any idea if the EU have ordered any Sinovac?

I know they'll look to approve other vaccines anyway - as the criteria for unrestricted inbound travel is going to be EMA approved vaccines/or tested, just wondering about supplies too?

The European Commission has stated that its future orders have refocused on mRNA vaccines. So, they aren't likely to be ordering any more of anything other than Pfizer/BioNTech (the majority of their orders), Moderna and CureVac whenever it arrives.

There have been large resources put into supporting that technology, so I think that's where we're going to be going.

The EMA will approve anything that meets the criteria for approval and is presented to them. So, assuming the SinoVac data stacks up and it's safe and effective to the required degree, it will get authorised, but orders would likely be from someone other than the European Commission.

Pandiculation · 04-05-2021 01:08PM

Skygord wrote: »

I've heard of other examples of exactly the same scenario - no offer of a vaccination path other than by age if the GP opts out of vaccinating cohort 7's.

It's a terrible failing of the programme at the moment.

How about contacting other GP's in your area and move your business from the GP that has abandoned her to a practice that IS vaccinating cohort 7's - and contact the HSE helpline.

GPs probably need more support and coordination efforts from the HSE. They seem to be assuming that every GP's setup is equivalent. Some have a cohort of much older patients than others, some may be in totally unsuitable premises, some are significant clinics, others are one-man-band type operations.

This is where we're missing having sufficient community health doctors / nurses to step in and get it organised and ensure load-sharing between GPs.

RavenBea17b · 04-05-2021 01:34PM

Grab All Association wrote: »

More than 55 hours have passed since my first Pfizer vaccination. No side effects have occurred, no fevers no headaches, absolutely nothing. Now obviously everyone is different of course, but I do have a history of undesirable side effects to medications I have taken.

That is good news. Most people I know that have had the Pfizer it is second jab were side affects if any are felt, AZ it has been usually felt (if any) on the first jab. Either way, glad you had your first jab.

snotboogie · 04-05-2021 01:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The German's are flying through it. Brother is 28 and has a BMI just above 30 and got referred for Pfizer vaccine yesterday. He was jabbed at 10am this morning. He said there's 3 to 4 thousand at each vaccine centre at one time between waiting, being jabbed and in for observation. GPs are referring anyone and everyone over there.

We are slowly falling further and further behind the top performers in the EU. Germany, Spain, Austria, Denmark and Italy are firing them out now. I don't know how we are 15% behind these countries in vaccines per capita? If we start messing around with supplies and don't run age groups concurrently to appease the over 50's, we'll end up a month behind the rest of Western Europe by the end of June.

Hopefully we don't have another poor bank holiday Monday.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 77.5 May 2nd
Lithuania 37 May 3rd 9
Spain 37 May 2nd 10
Germany 36 May 2nd 8
Austria 36 May 3rd 7
Estonia 35.5 May 3rd 6
Denmark 35 May 2nd 6
Italy 35 May 3rd 5
Belgium 34.5 May 3rd 4
Finland 34 May 3rd 3
Portugal 34 May 3rd 3
France 33 May 2nd 2
Sweden 32.5 April 30th 3
Poland 32 May 3rd 0
Luxembourg 32 May 2nd 0
Ireland 32 May 2nd 0
Netherlands 31 April 28th 2
Slovenia 31 May 3rd -3
Czech Rep 30.5 May 3rd -4
Slovakia 30.5 May 3rd -4
Greece 30 May 3rd -4
Romania 28 May 2nd -8
Cyprus 27 April 23rd -1
Croatia 22.5 May 3rd -19
Latvia 17 May 3rd -31
Bulgaria 12 May 3rd -41

is_that_so · 04-05-2021 01:40PM

snotboogie wrote: »

We are slowly falling further and further behind the top performers in the EU. Germany, Spain, Austria, Denmark and Italy are firing them out now. I don't know how we are 15% behind these countries in vaccines per capita? If we start messing around with supplies and don't run age groups concurrently to appease the over 50's, we'll end up a month behind the rest of Western Europe by the end of June.

Hopefully we don't have another poor bank holiday Monday.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 77.5 May 2nd
Lithuania 37 May 3rd 9
Spain 37 May 2nd 10
Germany 36 May 2nd 8
Austria 36 May 3rd 7
Estonia 35.5 May 3rd 6
Denmark 35 May 2nd 6
Italy 35 May 3rd 5
Belgium 34.5 May 3rd 4
Finland 34 May 3rd 3
Portugal 34 May 3rd 3
France 33 May 2nd 2
Sweden 32.5 April 30th 3
Poland 32 May 3rd 0
Luxembourg 32 May 2nd 0
Ireland 32 May 2nd 0
Netherlands 31 April 28th 2
Slovenia 31 May 3rd -3
Czech Rep 30.5 May 3rd -4
Slovakia 30.5 May 3rd -4
Greece 30 May 3rd -4
Romania 28 May 2nd -8
Cyprus 27 April 23rd -1
Croatia 22.5 May 3rd -19
Latvia 17 May 3rd -31
Bulgaria 12 May 3rd -41

We're all in around the same level. The real news here is 30%+ vaccinated in the EU, a region of nearly 450m people and a fair chance that we ALL may hit that 70% just past mid summer.

GLaDOS · 04-05-2021 01:43PM

I don't know whether it's the use of the median average, or the use of over 18 population rather than total, but we've been consistently ahead of the EU average (In terms of both first dose and fully vaccinated) on this site: https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab

Ficheall · 04-05-2021 01:46PM

Is there a list anywhere of which countries are using (mostly) which vaccines? My googling yielded nothing.

Strazdas · 04-05-2021 02:09PM

snotboogie wrote: »

We are slowly falling further and further behind the top performers in the EU. Germany, Spain, Austria, Denmark and Italy are firing them out now. I don't know how we are 15% behind these countries in vaccines per capita? If we start messing around with supplies and don't run age groups concurrently to appease the over 50's, we'll end up a month behind the rest of Western Europe by the end of June.

Hopefully we don't have another poor bank holiday Monday.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 77.5 May 2nd
Lithuania 37 May 3rd 9
Spain 37 May 2nd 10
Germany 36 May 2nd 8
Austria 36 May 3rd 7
Estonia 35.5 May 3rd 6
Denmark 35 May 2nd 6
Italy 35 May 3rd 5
Belgium 34.5 May 3rd 4
Finland 34 May 3rd 3
Portugal 34 May 3rd 3
France 33 May 2nd 2
Sweden 32.5 April 30th 3
Poland 32 May 3rd 0
Luxembourg 32 May 2nd 0
Ireland 32 May 2nd 0
Netherlands 31 April 28th 2
Slovenia 31 May 3rd -3
Czech Rep 30.5 May 3rd -4
Slovakia 30.5 May 3rd -4
Greece 30 May 3rd -4
Romania 28 May 2nd -8
Cyprus 27 April 23rd -1
Croatia 22.5 May 3rd -19
Latvia 17 May 3rd -31
Bulgaria 12 May 3rd -41

Only five percent behind, you must have misread it. We're actually hot on their heels.

josip · 04-05-2021 02:16PM

snotboogie wrote: »

We are slowly falling further and further behind the top performers in the EU. Germany, Spain, Austria, Denmark and Italy are firing them out now. I don't know how we are 15% behind these countries in vaccines per capita? If we start messing around with supplies and don't run age groups concurrently to appease the over 50's, we'll end up a month behind the rest of Western Europe by the end of June.

Hopefully we don't have another poor bank holiday Monday.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 77.5 May 2nd
Lithuania 37 May 3rd 9
Spain 37 May 2nd 10
Germany 36 May 2nd 8
Austria 36 May 3rd 7
Estonia 35.5 May 3rd 6
Denmark 35 May 2nd 6
Italy 35 May 3rd 5
Belgium 34.5 May 3rd 4
Finland 34 May 3rd 3
Portugal 34 May 3rd 3
France 33 May 2nd 2
Sweden 32.5 April 30th 3
Poland 32 May 3rd 0
Luxembourg 32 May 2nd 0
Ireland 32 May 2nd 0
Netherlands 31 April 28th 2
Slovenia 31 May 3rd -3
Czech Rep 30.5 May 3rd -4
Slovakia 30.5 May 3rd -4
Greece 30 May 3rd -4
Romania 28 May 2nd -8
Cyprus 27 April 23rd -1
Croatia 22.5 May 3rd -19
Latvia 17 May 3rd -31
Bulgaria 12 May 3rd -41

By the end of June we'll be ahead of many EU countries because most are more vaccine hesitant than us.

Skygord · 04-05-2021 02:20PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Is there a list anywhere of which countries are using (mostly) which vaccines? My googling yielded nothing.

For a very limited list of countries this does...

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccine-doses-by-manufacturer?country=~ITA

Turtwig · 04-05-2021 02:20PM

josip wrote: »

By the end of June we'll be ahead of many EU countries because most are more vaccine hesitant than us.

Only time will tell if this is true for both us and them. As the programs progress, more and more people will know someone who is vaccinated and isn't transmogrified into a zombie. This will hopefully help reduce hesitancy.

Zipppy · 04-05-2021 02:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

We're all in around the same level. The real news here is 30%+ vaccinated in the EU, a region of nearly 450m people and a fair chance that we ALL may hit that 70% just past mid summer.

I am assuming this is just first vaccinations?

Any updates on how many fully vaccinated I wonder?

JTMan · 04-05-2021 02:29PM

Pandiculation wrote: »

The European Commission has stated that its future orders have refocused on mRNA vaccines. So, they aren't likely to be ordering any more of anything other than Pfizer/BioNTech (the majority of their orders), Moderna and CureVac whenever it arrives.

The EC are about to conclude a deal with Novavax this/next week and several EU countries want a deal valneva. Hence, the EC are not fully restricting to mRNA vaccinates. That said, AZ and J&J contracts are likely to be let lapse when they expire.

political analyst · 04-05-2021 02:35PM

According to today's Irish Daily Mail, many Johnson & Johnson doses might go unused because that vaccine is recommended only for people who are at least 50 years old.

Why do Ireland and other EU member states care more about the fear of litigation than about giving people back their freedom to travel and to trade?

Don't they realise that there are millions of people in India who would jump at the chance of being vaccinated with J&J or AstraZeneca?

is_that_so · 04-05-2021 02:37PM

Zipppy wrote: »

I am assuming this is just first vaccinations?

Any updates on how many fully vaccinated I wonder?

I imagine our data of fully vaccinated will not be too different to other countries, so at about 1/3 of first doses.

crossman47 · 04-05-2021 02:38PM

political analyst wrote: »

According to today's Irish Daily Mail, many Johnson & Johnson doses might go unused because that vaccine is recommended only for people who are at least 50 years old.

Why do Ireland and other EU member states care more about the fear of litigation than about giving people back their freedom to travel and to trade?

Don't they realise that there are millions of people in India who would jump at the chance of being vaccinated with J&J or AstraZeneca?

Well this country anyway is extremely litigious and they have to be aware of that.

is_that_so · 04-05-2021 02:38PM

JTMan wrote: »

That said, AZ and J&J contracts are likely to be let lapse when they expire.

That has already been stated, contracts will not be renewed.

duffman13 · 04-05-2021 02:39PM

Zipppy wrote: »

I am assuming this is just first vaccinations?

Any updates on how many fully vaccinated I wonder?

About a third of total vaccinations, dont have figures to hand but they are published. Around the 450k mark (10% of total population)

duffman13 · 04-05-2021 02:40PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Well this country anyway is extremely litigious and they have to be aware of that.

Exactly this, they are being overly cautious but a water waiver gets around it so not sure why they don't just go down that route

is_that_so · 04-05-2021 02:40PM

political analyst wrote: »

According to today's Irish Daily Mail, many Johnson & Johnson doses might go unused because that vaccine is recommended only for people who are at least 50 years old.

Why do Ireland and other EU member states care more about the fear of litigation than about giving people back their freedom to travel and to trade?

Don't they realise that there are millions of people in India who would jump at the chance of being vaccinated with J&J or AstraZeneca?

With what we are expecting between now and the end of June, that's fairly unlikely. Into Q3 deliveries can probably be redirected if we don't need them.

Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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