Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Marcusm wrote: »

Denmark will not use J&J so Ireland might be able to trade for some or all of them to speed up 50scohort.

We have more than enough J&J, we just don't have them right now, once 50+ are done there are no more arms for it to go in, so we would end binning future deliveries of J&J and regret having bartered our Pfizer away..

The metallic taste in my mouth was gone when I woke up this morning, I have been tested an if negative should I report the side effect from the vaccine?

Marcusm wrote: »

But Denmark would be able to speed up the rate at which it is available to us. I can see the govt seeking to expand this to speed up the 50-59 cohort. Other choices are for those to be done slowly or for a combination of AZ/J&J/mRNA vaccines to be “offered” to this cohort. That will create unnecessary criticism. “Hers is better than mine, I’ll miss this appointment and see if next week’s lottery of appointments will be better”. We will always have a surplus eventually.

To be clear, I did not suggest any bartering. I mean an outright purchase.

If we can buy them, that would be great, pay whatever they want to speed up our roll out

For what it's worth, my gf got the Moderna (also mRNA) and had a metallic taste in her mouth too

cameramonkey wrote: »

That is chancing your arm, would not fill you with confidence when they cant even figure out what month we are in.

As long as we are in a good place by 31 June.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1389183075045740549?s=21

707k doses in April versus Leo's prediction of 1.2M doses

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

HSE deals in working weeks, so understandable why they would report in this way. 29 March to 2 May is Weeks 13-17 I believe.

If they're consistent there's no issue. If they chose to report the figures that way only for April to give a higher number that's an issue.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Just curious, is the portal easy to use? What kind of unique ID do you need for it? PPS?

I did it for a neighbour -

You need a PPS num/email/mobile

Biggest pain 10 character password including a capital and special character, could be a bit of awkward on a phone

Wolf359f wrote: »

If people are as ill-informed as yourself, then yes they will refuse an effective and safe vaccine. I guess you wouldn't take Moderna as it's 'less effective' as Pfizer?

The efficacy rates of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are virtually the same
at 95% and 94.5%,(so you guessed wrongly) but to compare that to the
efficacy rate for AstraZeneca which according to the European Medicines
Agency is 60%, or to the Johnson & Johnson whose efficacy rate was 72%
in the US and just 57% in South Africa, is something else.

If you don't like the term 'dumped' then lets say they are allocating the
'leftovers' to the 50s cohort, the vaccines that are leftover after they
have allocated vaccines to all other lower age groups first and which will
may otherwise go to waste. I might question why despite the figures from the
UK, showing that the average age of people who suffered cerebral venous
sinus thrombosis (CVST or blood clots in the brain) was 47 years old and the
average age of those who suffered other "major thromboembolic events" along
with thrombocytopenia - low platelet counts was 55 years old.
(https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2021/0422/1211516-uk-astrazeneca/ ), we are
intending to use the AstraZeneca and the similar Johnson & Johnson vaccines
almost exclusively on people in their 50s, despite them being the age group
which features the average age or age band for these adverse events in the
UK.

As for the assertion that a single shot of the AZ vaccine offers broadly
speaking, a similar level of protection as the one shot Johnson & Johnson
vaccine, that information came from the Chief Medical Officer, Dr Tony
Holohan ( https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40278833.html ). So if
that isn't true, then take it up with him, but it does mean that either the
second AZ shot offers little extra protection or the Johnson & Johnson
vaccine offers significantly less protection than the 2 shot AZ.

As for my saying that the vaccination programme had already been changed
over 20 times, it was reported by RTE on 1st May that "The HSE said plans
are being finalised over the weekend on the 27th version of the national
vaccination programme."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0501/1213217-coronavirus-ireland/



Calling people that you don't agree with ill-informed is hardly the way
forward and as for being ill informed, I should remind you that when they
were offering the same Astra Zeneca vaccine to healthcare staff a few months
ago, they too were disatisfied at being offered the "least efficacious"
vaccine. But maybe they are ill informed too.

I should remind you that a few years ago, people were warned that if they
didn't register for Irish Water by 31st Oct, then they would lose their
entitlement to a 'free water allowance', many people felt intimidated and
registered, but 3 weeks after the deadline, the government met and decided
to abolish the free water allowance altogether and it subsequently emerged
that almost half of households had not registered. So just because the government says
something, doesn't necessarily mean that, that is how it will turn out. The government
changes its mind all the time and there have been 26 previous covid 19 vaccine programmes
and are likely to be several more.

heyjude wrote: »

The efficacy rates of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are virtually the same
at 95% and 94.5%,(so you guessed wrongly) but to compare that to the
efficacy rate for AstraZeneca which according to the European Medicines
Agency is 60%, or to the Johnson & Johnson whose efficacy rate was 72%
in the US and just 57% in South Africa, is something else.

If you don't like the term 'dumped' then lets say they are allocating the
'leftovers' to the 50s cohort, the vaccines that are leftover after they
have allocated vaccines to all other lower age groups first and which will
may otherwise go to waste. I might question why despite the figures from the
UK, showing that the average age of people who suffered cerebral venous
sinus thrombosis (CVST or blood clots in the brain) was 47 years old and the
average age of those who suffered other "major thromboembolic events" along
with thrombocytopenia - low platelet counts was 55 years old.
(https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2021/0422/1211516-uk-astrazeneca/ ), we are
intending to use the AstraZeneca and the similar Johnson & Johnson vaccines
almost exclusively on people in their 50s, despite them being the age group
which features the average age or age band for these adverse events in the
UK.

As for the assertion that a single shot of the AZ vaccine offers broadly
speaking, a similar level of protection as the one shot Johnson & Johnson
vaccine, that information came from the Chief Medical Officer, Dr Tony
Holohan ( https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40278833.html ). So if
that isn't true, then take it up with him, but it does mean that either the
second AZ shot offers little extra protection or the Johnson & Johnson
vaccine offers significantly less protection than the 2 shot AZ.

As for my saying that the vaccination programme had already been changed
over 20 times, it was reported by RTE on 1st May that "The HSE said plans
are being finalised over the weekend on the 27th version of the national
vaccination programme."
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0501/1213217-coronavirus-ireland/



Calling people that you don't agree with ill-informed is hardly the way
forward and as for being ill informed, I should remind you that when they
were offering the same Astra Zeneca vaccine to healthcare staff a few months
ago, they too were disatisfied at being offered the "least efficacious"
vaccine. But maybe they are ill informed too.

I should remind you that a few years ago, people were warned that if they
didn't register for Irish Water by 31st Oct, then they would lose their
entitlement to a 'free water allowance', many people felt intimidated and
registered, but 3 weeks after the deadline, the government met and decided
to abolish the free water allowance altogether and it subsequently emerged
that almost half of households had not registered. So just because the government says
something, doesn't necessarily mean that, that is how it will turn out. The government
changes its mind all the time and there have been 26 previous covid 19 vaccine programmes
and are likely to be several more.

All the approved vaccines are 100% effective in preventing hospitalisation and death from COVID.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

no hurry

In fairness, it's a really tough decision. Either you're going to have over 50s aggrieved if they are delayed, or everyone else (including sensible over 50s) furious if our rollout and opening up is jeopardised.
If there is some clever way to manage this, with minimal disruption to the rollout, it would be worth taking the time to get this right.

Stheno wrote: »

In fairness they've had plenty of time.

They haven't even received the options yet if the tweet above is accurate

SJFly wrote: »

In fairness, it's a really tough decision. Either you're going to have over 50s aggrieved if they are delayed, or everyone else (including sensible over 50s) furious if our rollout and opening up is jeopardised.
If there is some clever way to manage this, with minimal disruption to the rollout, it would be worth taking the time to get this right.

The recommendation has been in place over a week now. I'd have expected a plan as fast as they've done the plans in the past.

Strazdas wrote: »

I would suggest that if the plan is to delay the over 50s, then for goodness sake don't open up the portal for them. It would be very unfair to ask them to register at a time when mass vaccinations are going on across the country, but then leave them waiting for weeks or even months to receive a vaccine.

Surely the whole point of an online portal is that you have a vaccine available and ready to give to them.

There will be no recommendation to delay over 50s surely. Where has this idea come from? We have plenty of AZ to get going on the 59s and we have 400k more AZ due this month.