Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

secman · 02-05-2021 10:33PM

HSE 's biggest problem in vaccinating the country is supply, the second largest one is stupidity..just no accounting for it.
Looking forward to getting vaccinated on Tuesday.

Wolf359f · 02-05-2021 10:34PM

heyjude wrote: »

It will change if sufficient numbers in the 50-59 age group either refuse the lower efficacy Az and Johnson & Johnson vaccines that are being 'dumped' on them, having been rejected for use on all other remaining age groups. A case of "well we've ordered them now and so we have to use them on someone", so we'll use the AZ vaccine on the 60-69 age group as their risk from covid is so much higher they'll just be grateful to be vaccinated, but its a much harder sell on younger lower risk age groups.

If tens or even hundreds of thousands of the 50-59 group either refuse to register or turn up and refuse the AZ or J&J vaccines, then we'll see if the HSE continues to hold this line. Bluffing is fine, unless your bluff is called.

The admission that the single shot J&J vaccine broadly speaking offers as much protection as a single shot of the AZ vaccine will hardly help either, especially when the HSE has been adamant that you need 2 shots of the AZ vaccine to be fully vaccinated. As it shows that the J&J vaccine offers considerably less protection than two doses of the other vaccines.

The vaccination programme has already changed over 20 times and if resistance to the AZ or J&J vaccines is significant then they will need to alter course to deal with this, even if they can't admit that now. They are moving away from the mass vaccination centre model for vaccine distribution in the US, as the original tsunami of eager patients have been vaccinated and threats won't work against the rest, so now they are realising that persuasion may be needed and if that means offering a vaccine choice to those for whom that was an issue, I'm sure that they won't rule it out indefinitely The HSE/government have to be careful about making provocative threats to those refusing the AZ or J&J vaccines now, as they may just make things worse later in the year.

If people are as ill-informed as yourself, then yes they will refuse an effective and safe vaccine. I guess you wouldn't take Moderna as it's 'less effective' as Pfizer?

Wolf359f · 02-05-2021 10:35PM

secman wrote: »

HSE 's biggest problem in vaccinating the country is supply, the second largest one is stupidity..just no accounting for it.

Hopefully when the pandemic is over, they can focus on a vaccine for stupidity! /s

Miike · 02-05-2021 10:37PM

Vaccinated30 wrote: »

I got dose 1 of Pfizer on 21st April
Today I've a bit of a dry cough and a very odd sweet taste in my mouth with a gravely throat. I have been referred for a Covid test. Do I have any protection from my vaccine 11 days ago? I know its 2 weeks but surely its like charging a battery takes 2 hours to fully charge but there's some charge after 30 mins... Or am I way off the mark here.

Also if I test positive am I considered fully vaccinated after my 1 dose and positive swab?

For the first part of your question it's a bit "how long is a piece of string". Just operate on the assumption you're positive until proven otherwise (for safety sake).

Second part about being considered fully vaccinated depends on a number of factors including your age. Public health will advise further if you do test positive but I would imagine you will not be considered fully vaccinated, because of the relatively small time lag between vaccine and testing positive.

Grab All Association · 02-05-2021 10:45PM

More than 55 hours have passed since my first Pfizer vaccination. No side effects have occurred, no fevers no headaches, absolutely nothing. Now obviously everyone is different of course, but I do have a history of undesirable side effects to medications I have taken.

CrowdedHouse · 02-05-2021 10:47PM

secman wrote: »

Looking forward to getting vaccinated on Tuesday.

Which one?

Vaccinated30 · 02-05-2021 10:52PM

Miike wrote: »

For the first part of your question it's a bit "how long is a piece of string". Just operate on the assumption you're positive until proven otherwise (for safety sake).

Second part about being considered fully vaccinated depends on a number of factors including your age. Public health will advise further if you do test positive but I would imagine you will not be considered fully vaccinated, because of the relatively small time lag between vaccine and testing positive.

Thank you, to be honest with the slight cough I wouldn't be worried but the constant sweet taste in my mouth is making me question. I've been eating jalapeño to make sure my taste isn't gone lol, its not, and everything tastes normal but afterwards this sweet taste is back. Can only find information that after covid one may experience sweet taste. Could the vaccine have produced an immune response that caused it. Sorry lots of questions that nobody can answer. Hopefully negative test, fingers crossed.

Wolf359f · 02-05-2021 10:54PM

Vaccinated30 wrote: »

Thank you, to be honest with the slight cough I wouldn't be worried but the constant sweet taste in my mouth is making me question. I've been eating jalapeño to make sure my taste isn't gone lol, its not, and everything tastes normal but afterwards this sweet taste is back. Can only find information that after covid one may experience sweet taste. Could the vaccine have produced an immune response that caused it. Sorry lots of questions that nobody can answer. Hopefully negative test, fingers crossed.

Is it a sweet or metallic taste? There has been reports of a metallic taste after vaccination.

Vaccinated30 · 02-05-2021 10:57PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Is it a sweet or metallic taste? There has been reports of a metallic taste after vaccination.

Omg!! Metallic would definitely be a better way to explain it, like sucking on a coin.

moonage · 02-05-2021 10:57PM

User1998 wrote: »

Why would healthy 12 year olds need a covid vaccine

There's no justification for it.

Only vulnerable people for whom covid could be a serious risk should be vaccinated.

With clinical trials ongoing and the safety profiles uncertain, mass vaccination is unethical.

secman · 02-05-2021 10:57PM

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Which one?

Az according to the text message.

Wolf359f · 02-05-2021 11:04PM

Vaccinated30 wrote: »

Omg!! Metallic would definitely be a better way to explain it, like sucking on a coin.

Just google metallic taste and vaccine, it looks to be a rare side effect of Pfizer at least.
The cough, well I don't know. I'd certainly go for a test, but don;t be thinking the worst. You're probably overthinking yourself!

Wolf359f · 02-05-2021 11:05PM

moonage wrote: »

There's no justification for it.

Only vulnerable people for whom covid could be a serious risk should be vaccinated.

With clinical trials ongoing and the safety profiles uncertain, mass vaccination is unethical.

Isn't that what clinical trials are for?
How do you think they develop and test and trial vaccines for newborns?

Vaccinated30 · 02-05-2021 11:06PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just google metallic taste and vaccine, it looks to be a rare side effect of Pfizer at least.
The cough, well I don't know. I'd certainly go for a test, but don;t be thinking the worst. You're probably overthinking yourself!

Oh I'll definitely have the test but yeah I am an over thinker. You know when someone talks about live and suddenly your scratching. That's me all the time.

Lumen · 02-05-2021 11:07PM

moonage wrote: »

There's no justification for it.

Only vulnerable people for whom covid could be a serious risk should be vaccinated.

With clinical trials ongoing and the safety profiles uncertain, mass vaccination is unethical.

Your posting history is full of unfounded antivax bullshi!t and conspiracy theories.

It's not even worth bothering to engage.

Wolf359f · 02-05-2021 11:09PM

Vaccinated30 wrote: »

Oh I'll definitely have the test but yeah I am an over thinker. You know when someone talks about live and suddenly your scratching. That's me all the time.

I think it's a perfectly normal reaction, same as someone yawning, you will too.
If you think you have covid, you will convince yourself you have the symptoms (obviously apart from ones like a fever that can be measured etc...)
/Yawn..... you're probably yawning now, ain't ya?

Myramar · 02-05-2021 11:29PM

User1998 wrote: »

Why would healthy 12 year olds need a covid vaccine

So they don't spread it to a not so healthy person somewhat older than them !

Qrt · 02-05-2021 11:53PM

I've had some acquaintances share stuff about the "pfizer vaccine shedding" ... honestly I don't know how these people have survived this long with nothing going on upstairs.

Miike · 03-05-2021 12:05AM

Qrt wrote: »

I've had some acquaintances share stuff about the "pfizer vaccine shedding" ... honestly I don't know how these people have survived this long with nothing going on upstairs.

Is that the notion that being around people who HAVE been vaccinated will give YOU side effects? It's really starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel with the tripe these lot are coming up with now. No one sprouted a 5G antenna from a vaccine so now they have to get even more outlandish.

Tyrone212 · 03-05-2021 12:35AM

Qrt wrote: »

I've had some acquaintances share stuff about the "pfizer vaccine shedding" ... honestly I don't know how these people have survived this long with nothing going on upstairs.

I saw a girl I used to go to school with last week while out for a walk. Covid came up in conversation, she said the vaccine was leaving people sterile and Bill Gates was behind it to reduce population. She always seemed normal before so I was shocked.

harrylittle · 03-05-2021 12:35AM

moonage wrote: »

There's no justification for it.

Only vulnerable people for whom covid could be a serious risk should be vaccinated.

With clinical trials ongoing and the safety profiles uncertain, mass vaccination is unethical.

Its recklessly criminal

Wolf359f · 03-05-2021 12:38AM

harrylittle wrote: »

Its recklessly criminal

I assume you're totally against infant vaccines against polio ,MMR, whooping cough etc...

Qrt · 03-05-2021 12:39AM

Miike wrote: »

Is that the notion that being around people who HAVE been vaccinated will give YOU side effects? It's really starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel with the tripe these lot are coming up with now. No one sprouted a 5G antenna from a vaccine so now they have to get even more outlandish.

Yes. Honestly it happened in the 50s with traces of polio in excrement of vaccinated people but nothing since. Think we’ve moved on a bit since...

Don’t get the vaccine, because the vaccine will kill others you come into contact with, but covid has a 99% survival rate so why bother? PLOT TWIST it actually doesn’t exist and it’s all a hoax.

I can’t wait for mine anyway.

Myramar · 03-05-2021 12:40AM

Miike wrote: »

Is that the notion that being around people who HAVE been vaccinated will give YOU side effects? It's really starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel with the tripe these lot are coming up with now. No one sprouted a 5G antenna from a vaccine so now they have to get even more outlandish.

This time last year NEPHET told us that wearing masks was useless in terms of stopping you spitting the virus from one person to another. I think that was almost as stupid as this but, still, they got away with it.

Wolf359f · 03-05-2021 12:48AM

Myramar wrote: »

This time last year NEPHET told us that wearing masks was useless in terms of stopping you spitting the virus from one person to another. I think that was almost as stupid as this but, still, they got away with it.

And WHO said it wasn't passed person to person. Then we heard it's wasn't passed through the air, then we were told it was strictly a respiratory disease.
Amazing how scientists worldwide didn't figure all that out with patient zero, within 24hrs. /s
Unfortunately, hindsight is 20/20.

Miike · 03-05-2021 12:54AM

Myramar wrote: »

This time last year NEPHET told us that wearing masks was useless in terms of stopping you spitting the virus from one person to another. I think that was almost as stupid as this but, still, they got away with it.

This time last year NPHET and the international science community was dealing with a pathogen that no one really knew anything about like literally, nothing. The WHO were on that side also with regards the efficacy of masks.

Literally every press conference or statement began with "this is an evolving situation".

moonage · 03-05-2021 01:00AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

To stay healthy .,

So, a healthy 12-year-old needs a covid vaccine to stay healthy?

Risk from covid: close to zero.
Benefit from vaccine: close to zero.
Risks from vaccine: unknown at present. Will take years to fully know potential adverse effects.

Therefore healthy 12-year-olds shouldn't be vaccinated. A similar logic would apply to older healthy people for whom covid is not a serious threat.

Myramar · 03-05-2021 01:02AM

Miike wrote: »

This time last year NPHET and the international science community was dealing with a pathogen that no one really knew anything about like literally, nothing. The WHO were on that side also with regards the efficacy of masks.

Literally every press conference or statement began with "this is an evolving situation".

Well, Maybe the idiots that want to promote vaccine shedding (or Pizzagate or whatever) should preface their remarks by saying it is an "evolving situation"

Myramar · 03-05-2021 01:06AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

And WHO said it wasn't passed person to person. Then we heard it's wasn't passed through the air, then we were told it was strictly a respiratory disease.
Amazing how scientists worldwide didn't figure all that out with patient zero, within 24hrs. /s
Unfortunately, hindsight is 20/20.

Amazing they didn't figure out it that it behaved exactly like any other respiraratory disease in term terms of how it transmits.

Cos that is what they have concluded now.

astrofool · 03-05-2021 01:06AM

moonage wrote: »

So, a healthy 12-year-old needs a covid vaccine to stay healthy?

Risk from covid: close to zero.
Benefit from vaccine: close to zero.
Risks from vaccine: unknown at present. Will take years to fully know potential adverse effects.

Therefore healthy 12-year-olds shouldn't be vaccinated. A similar logic would apply to older healthy people for whom covid is not a serious threat.

All completely farcically stupendously incorrect and been debunked here before, do you just hover around somewhere for a few weeks before swooping in to post some anti-vax nonsense hoping no one will notice the repeat posts?

There is a conspiracy theory forum you can go and post on, but you'll quickly run away due to lack of evidence for any of your nonsense posts.

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