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Polar101 · 01-05-2021 04:54PM

ddarcy wrote: »

Personally I’ll get the second jab when the time comes, but I’m just looking at this psychologically. The government phrasing is bad.

I guess it depends on whether people want to get a vaccine to protect themselves from a disease, or be able to fulfill a criteria set by the government. I'd hope that it's the first option for most people.

revelman · 01-05-2021 04:56PM

ddarcy wrote: »

I’m looking at it from a general perspective. If I’m told after one I’m fully done then more likely than not I wouldn’t get the second (especially if you had a bad reaction to the first). That’s basic human nature. Essentially you’ve met the bare minimum needed to be met, why go on. No one does this except the few. It Is very poor messaging from the government and well lead to problems.

Personally I’ll get the second jab when the time comes, but I’m just looking at this psychologically. The government phrasing is bad. Ideally they said you need both, but that would have created more issues and quite frankly they and EU politicians are at the heart of all the current problems with AZ and the bad publicity (not saying AZ isn’t at fault either btw).

The number of people getting “bad reactions” to AZ is minuscule. I have five members of my extended family between the ages of 35 and 69 who did not even have the slightest side effect after AZ. This should be of interest to you: https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccine-side-effects-not-as-bad-as-trials-2021-4?r=US&IR=T

charlie14 · 01-05-2021 05:17PM

ddarcy wrote: »

I’m looking at it from a general perspective. If I’m told after one I’m fully done then more likely than not I wouldn’t get the second (especially if you had a bad reaction to the first). That’s basic human nature. Essentially you’ve met the bare minimum needed to be met, why go on. No one does this except the few. It Is very poor messaging from the government and well lead to problems.

Personally I’ll get the second jab when the time comes, but I’m just looking at this psychologically. The government phrasing is bad. Ideally they said you need both, but that would have created more issues and quite frankly they and EU politicians are at the heart of all the current problems with AZ and the bad publicity (not saying AZ isn’t at fault either btw).

I doubt there are many who while confuse the government message as somehow indicating they do not need a second dose to be fully vaccinated.
The appointment time for the second shot alone should show them that.

I really do not see people getting the first dose and refusing the second for any reasons other than having a sore arm from the first, or they could not be bothered. Either way, any government statement will have made no difference, and should they at a future date run into problems due to not getting the second shot, the only people to blame will be themselves.

Strazdas · 01-05-2021 05:36PM

revelman wrote: »

The number of people getting “bad reactions” to AZ is minuscule. I have five members of my extended family between the ages of 35 and 69 who did not even have the slightest side effect after AZ. This should be of interest to you: https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccine-side-effects-not-as-bad-as-trials-2021-4?r=US&IR=T

That's good to hear. We've heard lots of anecdotes online about people feeling under the weather after their first AZ dose, but according to that Lancet study, this might be greatly overstated.....it seems only about 20% of people had 'any' sort of side effect after receiving the vaccine (meaning 80% were fine and had no problems at all).

bodhrandude · 01-05-2021 05:57PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So arrived at 2.30pm. She wasn't on any of their lists and they couldn't figure that out. But they had a table for people arriving where they couldn't tick them off, and after a few minutes did some type of registering and she got the jab.

Well run out in the Helix have to say.

Glad to hear she got the jab.

ddarcy · 01-05-2021 07:04PM

Strazdas wrote: »

That's good to hear. We've heard lots of anecdotes online about people feeling under the weather after their first AZ dose, but according to that Lancet study, this might be greatly overstated.....it seems only about 20% of people had 'any' sort of side effect after receiving the vaccine (meaning 80% were fine and had no problems at all).

Yeah I got f*cling floored with it. I mean I had the sore arm and other minor things like chills, tiredness and a headache (which was kind of expected, usually get a sore arm with the flu jab) but that was nothing in comparison to the other symptoms.

To indicate how bad it was i filed an adverse event report on it and it’s officially now been logged by the HPRA as being serious after their investigation. In fairness the NIAC afterwards put their age restrictions in so I could be the straw that broke the back per se…

Strazdas · 01-05-2021 07:10PM

ddarcy wrote: »

Yeah I got f*cling floored with it. I mean I had the sore arm and other minor things like chills, tiredness and a headache (which was kind of expected, usually get a sore arm with the flu jab) but that was nothing in comparison to the other symptoms.

To indicate how bad it was i filed an adverse event report on it and it’s officially now been logged by the HPRA as being serious after their investigation. In fairness the NIAC afterwards put their age restrictions in so I could be the straw that broke the back per se…

It sounds like the vaccine strongly disagreed with you for some reason. You were one of the very unlucky ones.

Tyrone212 · 01-05-2021 08:31PM

In France from June 15th anyone over 18 can book a vaccine.

Maybe a bigger increase coming from Pfizer than currently known?

01-05-2021 08:48PM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

In France from June 15th anyone over 18 can book a vaccine.

Maybe a bigger increase coming from Pfizer than currently known?

Vaccine hesitancy is very high in France, they might expect to be able to offer it to all ages sooner due to that.

heyjude · 01-05-2021 09:01PM

The statement from Tony Holohan saying that ""The evidence is very clear that the first dose of AstraZeneca is giving, broadly speaking after a period of four weeks, a similar level of protection to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.", confirms how poor the protection from the J&J vaccine is. The fact that the first dose of the AZ vaccine offers the same protection as the only dose of the J&J vaccine, with a second dose of the AZ vaccine still be be administered, makes me question why the the single dose J&J vaccine was considered at all. The fact that the J&J vaccine with its much lower efficacy rate is now to be used almost exclusively on the highest risk remaining age cohort(50-59) seems bizarre, especially when in all likelihood, many of the 20-29 cohort will not attend for their second shots of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines having been told they are at low risk from the virus and that most of the vaccine protection stems from the first shot.

The first shot of the Pfizer, Moderna or now the AZ vaccines, all provide similar protection to the final level of protection offered by the single shot J&J vaccine, yet the Pfizer, Moderna and AZ vaccines all require a second dose to significantly raise their total efficacy, so how can you say that the AZ vaccine gives the same protection as the J&J vaccine, yet then say that people should still get the second AZ jab(to get the higher level of protection), yet be satisfied with the lower level of protection offered by the J&J ?

Russman · 01-05-2021 09:11PM

heyjude wrote: »

The statement from Tony Holohan saying that ""The evidence is very clear that the first dose of AstraZeneca is giving, broadly speaking after a period of four weeks, a similar level of protection to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.", confirms how poor the protection from the J&J vaccine is. The fact that the first dose of the AZ vaccine offers the same protection as the only dose of the J&J vaccine, with a second dose of the AZ vaccine still be be administered, makes me question why the the single dose J&J vaccine was considered at all. The fact that the J&J vaccine with its much lower efficacy rate is now to be used almost exclusively on the highest risk remaining age cohort(50-59) seems bizarre, especially when in all likelihood, many of the 20-29 cohort will not attend for their second shots of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines having been told they are at low risk from the virus and that most of the vaccine protection stems from the first shot.

The first shot of the Pfizer, Moderna or now the AZ vaccines, all provide similar protection to the final level of protection offered by the single shot J&J vaccine, yet the Pfizer, Moderna and AZ vaccines all require a second dose to significantly raise their total efficacy, so how can you say that the AZ vaccine gives the same protection as the J&J vaccine, yet then say that people should still get the second AZ jab(to get the higher level of protection), yet be satisfied with the lower level of protection offered by the J&J ?

I don’t think that’s a correct interpretation of the levels of protection at all tbh. As far as I know all the vaccines offer almost complete protection against serious disease and/or hospitalisation.
My understanding is that the trials were all run differently and the efficacy results can’t really be compared as it’s a bit like apples and oranges.
I’m sure others will be along to explain in more detail.

hmmm · 01-05-2021 09:14PM

heyjude wrote: »

The statement from Tony Holohan saying that ""The evidence is very clear that the first dose of AstraZeneca is giving, broadly speaking after a period of four weeks, a similar level of protection to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.", confirms how poor the protection from the J&J vaccine is.

It's not "poor", both vaccines provide good protection against severe Covid.

J&J was tested in large phase 3 trials as a single-dose vaccine only. The others were tested as two-dose vaccines. Seeing as there were multiple good vaccines already, it made sense for J&J to try and see if they could achieve similar protection with a single dose. There's nothing stopping us giving a booster injection for J&J some time in the future if protection levels look they are waning.

plodder · 01-05-2021 11:11PM

heyjude wrote: »

The statement from Tony Holohan saying that ""The evidence is very clear that the first dose of AstraZeneca is giving, broadly speaking after a period of four weeks, a similar level of protection to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.", confirms how poor the protection from the J&J vaccine is. The fact that the first dose of the AZ vaccine offers the same protection as the only dose of the J&J vaccine, with a second dose of the AZ vaccine still be be administered, makes me question why the the single dose J&J vaccine was considered at all. The fact that the J&J vaccine with its much lower efficacy rate is now to be used almost exclusively on the highest risk remaining age cohort(50-59) seems bizarre, especially when in all likelihood, many of the 20-29 cohort will not attend for their second shots of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines having been told they are at low risk from the virus and that most of the vaccine protection stems from the first shot.

The first shot of the Pfizer, Moderna or now the AZ vaccines, all provide similar protection to the final level of protection offered by the single shot J&J vaccine, yet the Pfizer, Moderna and AZ vaccines all require a second dose to significantly raise their total efficacy, so how can you say that the AZ vaccine gives the same protection as the J&J vaccine, yet then say that people should still get the second AZ jab(to get the higher level of protection), yet be satisfied with the lower level of protection offered by the J&J ?

"Don't let the best be the enemy of the good" because the good is good enough to get us back to normal as quickly as possible and it is much better than you seem to think.

JPup · 01-05-2021 11:45PM

heyjude wrote: »

The statement from Tony Holohan saying that ""The evidence is very clear that the first dose of AstraZeneca is giving, broadly speaking after a period of four weeks, a similar level of protection to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.", confirms how poor the protection from the J&J vaccine is. The fact that the first dose of the AZ vaccine offers the same protection as the only dose of the J&J vaccine, with a second dose of the AZ vaccine still be be administered, makes me question why the the single dose J&J vaccine was considered at all. The fact that the J&J vaccine with its much lower efficacy rate is now to be used almost exclusively on the highest risk remaining age cohort(50-59) seems bizarre, especially when in all likelihood, many of the 20-29 cohort will not attend for their second shots of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines having been told they are at low risk from the virus and that most of the vaccine protection stems from the first shot.

The first shot of the Pfizer, Moderna or now the AZ vaccines, all provide similar protection to the final level of protection offered by the single shot J&J vaccine, yet the Pfizer, Moderna and AZ vaccines all require a second dose to significantly raise their total efficacy, so how can you say that the AZ vaccine gives the same protection as the J&J vaccine, yet then say that people should still get the second AZ jab(to get the higher level of protection), yet be satisfied with the lower level of protection offered by the J&J ?

People who get the J&J vaccine will most likely end up being recommended to get a booster dose.

josip · 02-05-2021 12:03AM

ddarcy wrote: »

See the government has issues here. You may be fully vaccinated at 4 weeks according to them, but if you want to travel to Europe this summer, no one else will say you’re fully vaccinated until you’ve had both doses. If we’re opening up in July per se, getting AZ is a disaster, especially if the EU come in with the vaccination cards. For instance if I’m a 30 year old nurse who got AZ the weekend before they decided it wasn’t safe for me to get it, I couldn’t travel anywhere in Europe until mid September when I have had both doses. As a prime example look at Finland, I couldn’t go there until I had both doses.

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Finland only require you to have 1 dose.

https://www.finnair.com/ie-en/flight-information/travel-updates/travelling-to-finland-2166346

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As of 11 May 2021, we accept a coronavirus vaccination certificate for all coronavirus vaccines approved by the World Health Organization (WHO) or the European Medical Agency (EMA). You need to have received the vaccination latest 21 days before the travel date.
One dose of vaccine is sufficient for the certificate...

heyjude · 02-05-2021 01:08AM

JPup wrote: »

People who get the J&J vaccine will most likely end up being recommended to get a booster dose.

Presumably a booster dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines that they won't allow the same people to have in the first place

Wolf359f · 02-05-2021 01:14AM

heyjude wrote: »

Presumably a booster dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines that they won't allow the same people to have in the first place

The group that get AZ or J&J can also get Pfizer or Moderna.
Pfizer and Moderna are not banned for 50-69 like you make out.
There's been plenty of people 50-69 who have had and are receiving and will receive Pfizer or Moderna, along side AZ and J&J

Qrt · 02-05-2021 01:43AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Although it was pointed out by someone on the news last night that large numbers of people might have very valid reasons to wanting to travel to another country outside of simply going on a city break or vacation i.e. visiting parents, children, partner etc for the first time in many months, maybe over a year, plus work, career, study related stuff.

My dad lives in the UK. My sister lives with him. My grandparents live there, my aunties uncles nieces nephews cousins all live in the UK it’s been over a year and a half. It’s f***ing torture. I’m not going on a summer holiday. All I want to do is see my family and then go back to college in September. The infatuation with going to a dodgy Spanish resort for ten days is absolutely infuriating.

Eggs For Dinner · 02-05-2021 07:21AM

Does anyone know if you can cancel a registration online, or do you have to phone. My wife registered online, but an hour later got a call from our GP to call up and get the jab. Done & dusted now. Just don't want to waste an appointment somebody could use.

naughtysmurf · 02-05-2021 08:03AM

For a couple whose age at registration will be 54 & 50 which vaccine are they most likely to receive as things stand at the moment?

02-05-2021 09:28AM

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

Does anyone know if you can cancel a registration online, or do you have to phone. My wife registered online, but an hour later got a call from our GP to call up and get the jab. Done & dusted now. Just don't want to waste an appointment somebody could use.

Phone the helpline, they're open every day.

is_that_so · 02-05-2021 09:31AM

naughtysmurf wrote: »

For a couple whose age at registration will be 54 & 50 which vaccine are they most likely to receive as things stand at the moment?

It's not clear yet. It could be J&J or AZ or one of all 4. They will confirm this next week.

iamwhoiam · 02-05-2021 09:56AM

Qrt wrote: »

My dad lives in the UK. My sister lives with him. My grandparents live there, my aunties uncles nieces nephews cousins all live in the UK it’s been over a year and a half. It’s f***ing torture. I’m not going on a summer holiday. All I want to do is see my family and then go back to college in September. The infatuation with going to a dodgy Spanish resort for ten days is absolutely infuriating.

Me too . My daughter is in the UK and I haven’t seen her since February 2020 . She used to pop over every 6 weeks or so and I miss her terribly . I just want to see her .Both she and I had one dose of AZ and my husband Pfizer . I just want clarity now .

Lucas Hood · 02-05-2021 10:32AM

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1388788360194502660?s=19

MrStuffins · 02-05-2021 10:38AM

Strazdas wrote: »

That's good to hear. We've heard lots of anecdotes online about people feeling under the weather after their first AZ dose, but according to that Lancet study, this might be greatly overstated.....it seems only about 20% of people had 'any' sort of side effect after receiving the vaccine (meaning 80% were fine and had no problems at all).

My mother and my.partner's mother both got the AZ jab this week. Both in their 60s, both vulnerable.

Neither had a single side effect. My partner's mother was a bit chilly the next day, but I reckon that was just from not having the heating on :pac:

PMBC · 02-05-2021 10:57AM

45,000 vaccinated on Friday indicates to me that we can probably do 1/4 million in a week. Neither I or any of my extended family work with HSE but this is definitely good and augurs well for the next eight or nine weeks

astrofool · 02-05-2021 11:14AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Me too . My daughter is in the UK and I haven’t seen her since February 2020 . She used to pop over every 6 weeks or so and I miss her terribly . I just want to see her .Both she and I had one dose of AZ and my husband Pfizer . I just want clarity now .

The clarity is no unnecessary international travel with a reopening date of late summer (probably August, well after both of your second doses).

Probably not the answer you want.

Valhallapt · 02-05-2021 11:18AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Me too . My daughter is in the UK and I haven’t seen her since February 2020 . She used to pop over every 6 weeks or so and I miss her terribly . I just want to see her .Both she and I had one dose of AZ and my husband Pfizer . I just want clarity now .

Go and see her, you have all been vaccinated. There is an element on here suffering from Stockholm syndrome, they never want normality to return. You may have to restrict you movements on your return, but sure there’s not much to do here anyway.

Maybe take a couple of weeks in the Uk as almost everything is back open from the 17th of may.

iamwhoiam · 02-05-2021 11:20AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Go and see her, you have all been vaccinated. There is an element on here suffering from Stockholm syndrome, they never want normality to return. You may have to restrict you movements on your return, but sure there’s not much to do here anyway.

Maybe take a couple of weeks in the Uk as almost everything is back open from the 17th of may.

I have commitments here .

Eod100 · 02-05-2021 11:23AM

Good stuff. https://twitter.com/gavinsblog/status/1388796905849860101?s=19

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