Cyclists, insurance and road tax

micar · 01-05-2021 07:47PM

SeanW wrote: »

That doesn't seem to stop a lot of cyclists from playing zoom-zoom on the footpath. Or sailing merrily through red lights. All the while bitching and moaning about others breaking the law.
:rolleyes:

That's right Sean...the problem on our roads are cyclists zoom zooming on footpaths and sailing through red lights.

You need to get into the RSA and ask them to do a radio, tv, newspaper and an online campaign on these issues that are so endemic on our roads.

When you do, post their response here.

AndrewJRenko · 01-05-2021 07:56PM

SeanW wrote: »

People are getting killed by parked cars? Even cars that are parked legally in off-street parking?

If the car park in question was legal, ABP wouldn't have thrown it out.

20Wheel · 01-05-2021 07:56PM

VonLuck wrote: »

You're right. Cities can't accommodate cars anymore!

no more heavy goods will be delivered so.

Fighting Tao · 01-05-2021 07:58PM

20Wheel wrote: »

no more heavy goods will be delivered so.

No one said that.

donvito99 · 01-05-2021 08:00PM

20Wheel wrote: »

no more heavy goods will be delivered so.

Private cars =/= HGVs & other commercial vehicles.

20Wheel · 01-05-2021 08:00PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

No one said that.

zeppelins? cool.

SeanW · 01-05-2021 08:01PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If the car park in question was legal, ABP wouldn't have thrown it out.

And the cyclists objected because:

A) Irish drivers are so dangerous that even when they're in their apartment, their cars are killing cyclists just by being parked in a parking garage?

Some in the cycling fraternity have an axe to grind?

I wonder which it could be? :rolleyes:

SeanW · 01-05-2021 08:07PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Bingo!!!

What’s my prize??

Congratulations, you get two prizes.

1) A free pass to be a complete douchebag to pedestrians.
2) An unearned, hypocritical sense of moral superiority and self-entitlement.

20Wheel · 01-05-2021 08:12PM

tax the whole cycling and escooter equipment category.

use the money to build and maintain segregated routes in the larger towns and cities.

maybe some kind of pooled insurance fund too, for victims of cyclist related injuries.

breezy1985 · 01-05-2021 08:13PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

In fairness, Seanie is absolutely correct in what he says.

He doesn't seem to have realised that law breaking motorists kill 2 or 3 people each week while cyclists kill 1 person each decade, but I'm confident that he'll get there soon.

It still doesn't excuse the behavior of some cyclists though.

But his post does highlight what I was saying earlier about cyclists on here who are happy to tar other groups with one brush but have a meltdown when people play cycling bingo

breezy1985 · 01-05-2021 08:15PM

20Wheel wrote: »

tax the whole cycling and escooter equipment category.

use the money to build and maintain segregated routes in the larger towns and cities.

maybe some kind of pooled insurance fund too, for victims of cyclist related injuries.

Wouldn't need to be much of a fund in fairness and most cycling infrastructure is paid for from income tax, VAT and the EU same as roads

Allinall · 01-05-2021 08:16PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

In fairness, Seanie is absolutely correct in what he says.

He doesn't seem to have realised that law breaking motorists kill 2 or 3 people each week while cyclists kill 1 person each decade, but I'm confident that he'll get there soon.

Where’s your evidence that it’s law breaking motorists that kill 2 or 3 people each week?

Fighting Tao · 01-05-2021 08:17PM

SeanW wrote: »

Congratulations, you get two prizes.

1) A free pass to be a complete douchebag to pedestrians.
2) An unearned, hypocritical sense of moral superiority and self-entitlement.

Ain’t you a lovely guy. Your patents must be so proud of you.

01-05-2021 08:18PM

20Wheel wrote: »

tax the whole cycling and escooter equipment category.

Like VAT?
that could work

Oh wait...

Fighting Tao · 01-05-2021 08:20PM

20Wheel wrote: »

tax the whole cycling and escooter equipment category.

use the money to build and maintain segregated routes in the larger towns and cities.

maybe some kind of pooled insurance fund too, for victims of cyclist related injuries.

If only that was an original thought. All this has been discussed over and over in this thread. Please explain how your version would work compared to the others suggested in the thread.

AndrewJRenko · 01-05-2021 08:21PM

Allinall wrote: »

Where’s your evidence that it’s law breaking motorists that kill 2 or 3 people each week?

https://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/RSA-Statistics/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/

Drink driving, speeding, mobile phone use, fatigue driving - the causes of road deaths are well established

https://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/RSA-Statistics/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/

AndrewJRenko · 01-05-2021 08:23PM

SeanW wrote: »

Congratulations, you get two prizes.

1) A free pass to be a complete douchebag to pedestrians.
.

Though in relative terms, gimme a complete douchebag over killing 30-40 each year any day

VonLuck · 01-05-2021 08:25PM

SeanW wrote: »

That doesn't seem to stop a lot of cyclists from playing zoom-zoom on the footpath. Or sailing merrily through red lights. All the while bitching and moaning about others breaking the law.
:rolleyes:

Well you don't know me, and I don't do that, but let's say for argument's sake that I did. Does that suddenly allow motorists to break the law?

I saw some guy throw rubbish onto the grass in the park. Sure if he can do it, why don't I just throw my household waste into a ditch somewhere?

Allinall · 01-05-2021 08:27PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

https://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/RSA-Statistics/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/

Drink driving, speeding, mobile phone use, fatigue driving - the causes of road deaths are well established

https://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Road-Safety/RSA-Statistics/Deaths-injuries-on-Irish-roads/

Neither of those links show that it’s law breaking motorists that kill 2 or 3 people each week.

magicbastarder · 01-05-2021 08:28PM

i'm pretty sure killing people is against the law?

Allinall · 01-05-2021 08:33PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

i'm pretty sure killing people is against the law?

Always?

magicbastarder · 01-05-2021 08:40PM

you at the very least need a note from your mother.

20Wheel · 01-05-2021 08:43PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

If only that was an original thought. All this has been discussed over and over in this thread. Please explain how your version would work compared to the others suggested in the thread.

citation needed.

Allinall · 01-05-2021 08:44PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

you at the very least need a note from your mother.

What?

Fighting Tao · 01-05-2021 09:19PM

20Wheel wrote: »

citation needed.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058179253/1

So go on. Enlighten everyone with your unique approach that is guaranteed to work. Unless you have no original ideas and are just here for a wind up.

20Wheel · 01-05-2021 09:28PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058179253/1

So go on. Enlighten everyone with your unique approach that is guaranteed to work. Unless you have no original ideas and are just here for a wind up.

thats the start of the thread, are you not referring to something in particular?

and no, im not here to wind up cyclists.

Cilldara_2000 · 01-05-2021 09:38PM

micar wrote: »

That's right Sean...the problem on our roads are cyclists zoom zooming on footpaths and sailing through red lights.

You need to get into the RSA and ask them to do a radio, tv, newspaper and an online campaign on these issues that are so endemic on our roads.

When you do, post their response here.

There are many problem on our roads. It's not a general attack on cyclists to say that cyclists sailing through red lights is one of them, as is cycling against the traffic on one way streets.

namloc1980 · 01-05-2021 09:42PM

SeanW wrote: »

That doesn't seem to stop a lot of cyclists from playing zoom-zoom on the footpath. Or sailing merrily through red lights. All the while bitching and moaning about others breaking the law.
:rolleyes:

That doesn't seem to stop a lot of motorists from abandoning their metal boxes on footpaths. Or sailing merrily through red lights. All the while bitching and moaning about others breaking the law.
:rolleyes:

Fighting Tao · 01-05-2021 09:44PM

20Wheel wrote: »

thats the start of the thread, are you not referring to something in particular?

and no, im not here to wind up cyclists.

You won’t have read too much to realise that it has been covered. However, I am intrigued with your suggestion and I want to hear your unique approach.

namloc1980 · 01-05-2021 09:45PM

20Wheel wrote: »

tax the whole cycling and escooter equipment category.

use the money to build and maintain segregated routes in the larger towns and cities.

maybe some kind of pooled insurance fund too, for victims of cyclist related injuries.

Another motorist joining in with the same tired nonsense. It's like a tag team.

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