Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

josip · 30-04-2021 01:10PM

Strazdas wrote: »

For sure, but I think people are worrying unnecessarily about unused J & J vaccines. We can deal with that if and when it happens - for the moment, just throw every vaccine available at the eligible population.

We can't actually, unless NIAC change the lower age limit for J&J in the next month.

3DataModem · 30-04-2021 01:11PM

Any idea what type of vaccines are being rolled out to GPs for the category 7s? I just got an appointment, just curious if anyone has any insight as to what flavour I'll be getting.

namloc1980 · 30-04-2021 01:14PM

3DataModem wrote: »

Any idea what type of vaccines are being rolled out to GPs for the category 7s? I just got an appointment, just curious if anyone has any insight as to what flavour I'll be getting.

I am group 7 and had my first dose of Pfizer yesterday from my GP.

castletownman · 30-04-2021 01:16PM

My parents got vaccinated together this afternoon at their GP practise. In five minutes before the appointment, directed up the stairs to a special admin area, out comes their regular GP a couple of minutes later (who didn't recognise Dad with his extensive lockdown beard), and twenty minutes observation time thereafter. Excellent system by the sounds of it.

To say I am thrilled would be an understatement. Six months ago, my dad got the virus (at the same time as myself and my brother due to a community outbreak), and while he ended up getting extremely mild symptoms, the initial confirmation of "positive" really gets you worried.

I shall have a few takeaway pints this weekend to celebrate how far we have come in six months.

Turtwig · 30-04-2021 01:19PM

One billion vaccines have now been administered worldwide. 16 months since the virus was identified.

average_runner · 30-04-2021 01:22PM

Supercell wrote: »

I hope the government are not trying to be cute hoors by opening up registration to the 40's and 50's cohorts at the same time with the plan to delay actually vaccinating the 50's cohort until the J&J comes though while pushing on vaccinating the 40's with mRNA vaccines. That's putting all their eggs in one basket.
What if J&J is delayed further down the line?, its going to leave a lot of very angry people in a demographic that gets out and votes.

There is a mental health aspect to all of this too, we all have had enough of the lockdowns, i think that's pretty fair to say.
If AZ is the only choice (for the 50's cohort) that's another summer lost to a group that has less ahead of them than behind them. Personally speaking I find that prospect quite depressing, I'd take the J&J over that choice any day, the 60's cohort registrations are telling a story of their own, i don't see that as mysterious at all - many are hoping not to have to take the AZ by delaying and maybe get offered a J&J or mRNA vaccine, I know thats what I'd be doing if I were in that cohort. What's to loose, they've already likely lost most of their summer, again.

How is it a summer gone? Over 60's are getting the AZ also.
If J&J is for over 50's and the AZ, then need to keep that stock for the over 50's and run the with the pzifer on the over 40's.

Using Pzifer on over 50's and leaving the 40's waiting longer as maybe no supply makes no sense.

The summer will be the same for everyone

duffman13 · 30-04-2021 01:22PM

josip wrote: »

We can't actually, unless NIAC change the lower age limit for J&J in the next month.

Recommended for over 50s* however not exclusive to them. What is feasible is open to interpretation however the below from NIAC would indicate that they will have some system in place not to allow J&J go to waste should it come to pass. It took me a while to find that but they will use them.

NIAC already rolled back on AZ once from 60s to 50s so I would expect a further update at end of May roughly

As alternative vaccines are available, mRNA vaccines are recommended for
those aged under 50 years including those with medical conditions with very
high or high risk of severe COVID-19 disease.

In circumstances where a two-dose mRNA vaccination schedule is not a
feasible alternative, COVID-19 vaccine Janssen® can be considered for those
aged 18 – 49 years.

snotboogie · 30-04-2021 01:33PM

Updated EU table of vaccines per 100, excluding countries using Russian and Chinese vaccines:

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 74 April 28th
Lithuania 34.5 April 29th 8
Germany 34.5 April 29th 8
Spain 34 April 28th 8
Austria 34 April 29th 7
Estonia 34 April 29th 7
Denmark 33.5 April 29th 6
Italy 32 April 29th 3
Finland 31.5 April 28th 3
Belgium 31.5 April 28th 3
Portugal 31.5 April 29th 2
Netherlands 31 April 28th 2
Sweden 31 April 29th 1
France 31 April 28th 2
Luxembourg 30 April 28th 0
Ireland 30 April 28th 0
Greece 29.5 April 28th -1
Poland 29.5 April 28th -1
Slovenia 29.5 April 29th -2
Czech Rep 29 April 29th -3
Slovakia 28.5 April 29th -4
Cyprus 27 April 23rd -1
Romania 26.5 April 28th -7
Croatia 21 April 28th -18
Latvia 16 April 29th -29
Bulgaria 11.5 April 29th -38

sd1999 · 30-04-2021 01:35PM

I mean, if 50-59s don’t want 40-49s potentially getting a vaccine before them they surely won’t want a vaccine before Cohort 4 and 7 are finished because those aged 50-59 are technically in Cohort 9.

SJFly · 30-04-2021 01:39PM

Strazdas wrote: »

For sure, but I think people are worrying unnecessarily about unused J & J vaccines. We can deal with that if and when it happens - for the moment, just throw every vaccine available at the eligible population.

Surely you have to plan your vaccination campaign based on the existing recommendations. I don't care how the j&j is used - I'd gladly accept a shot myself. What is not acceptable is having half a million doses of a safe, single shot vaccine sitting unused as pubs and restaurants are opening up.

corkie · 30-04-2021 01:45PM

3DataModem wrote: »

Any idea what type of vaccines are being rolled out to GPs for the category 7s? I just got an appointment, just curious if anyone has any insight as to what flavour I'll be getting.

Q&A: The who, what, where and when on vaccines

MY GP DOESN’T HAVE ASTRAZENECA INFORMATION, WHO CAN I TALK TO?

For now, GPs are only using mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNtech and Moderna.

is_that_so · 30-04-2021 01:45PM

sd1999 wrote: »

I mean, if 50-59s don’t want 40-49s potentially getting a vaccine before them they surely won’t want a vaccine before Cohort 4 and 7 are finished because those aged 50-59 are technically in Cohort 9.

To repeat for about the 5th time Groups 1-7 are part of a separate process. It has nothing to do with the mass vaccinations that will be managed through the online portal.

RavenBea17b · 30-04-2021 01:46PM

Supercell wrote: »

Said the person in their 40's proving my point exactly. Also it's not just the clotting, it's the 12-16 weeks between doses as well.

Will Ireland increase the duration between 1st and 2nd doses to 10-12 weeks for Pfizer/Moderna. UK is max 12 weeks for Pfizer and AZ - not sure about Moderna dosing intervals. So far its around 10.5 weeks from the people I know who have received their second doses in their areas.

Good news about the roadmap out of this.

snotboogie · 30-04-2021 01:48PM

Israel have dipped under 10 cases per million per day over a 7 day average for the first time since May 2020. As much as people hate the term, that's the cutoff a lot of countries like Singapore and Korea have been using for zero covid.

is_that_so · 30-04-2021 01:52PM

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Will Ireland increase the duration between 1st and 2nd doses to 10-12 weeks for Pfizer/Moderna. UK is max 12 weeks for Pfizer and AZ - not sure about Moderna dosing intervals. So far its around 10.5 weeks from the people I know who have received their second doses in their areas.

Good news about the roadmap out of this.

They've already said No to that on Pfizer and Moderna.

RavenBea17b · 30-04-2021 02:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They've already said No to that on Pfizer and Moderna.

Ah, right, thanks.

Theboinkmaster · 30-04-2021 02:05PM

josip wrote: »

We can't actually, unless NIAC change the lower age limit for J&J in the next month.

NIAC have said people under 50 can have J&J if no other vaccine available.

In any event like they did with AZ, they will just amend this guidance in June to allow anyone 18+ to get it.

Zipppy · 30-04-2021 02:09PM

3DataModem wrote: »

Any idea what type of vaccines are being rolled out to GPs for the category 7s? I just got an appointment, just curious if anyone has any insight as to what flavour I'll be getting.

I'm Cohort 4 and getting Pfizer from GP on Monday

Zipppy · 30-04-2021 02:14PM

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Will Ireland increase the duration between 1st and 2nd doses to 10-12 weeks for Pfizer/Moderna. UK is max 12 weeks for Pfizer and AZ - not sure about Moderna dosing intervals. So far its around 10.5 weeks from the people I know who have received their second doses in their areas.

Good news about the roadmap out of this.

I guess they can't as fully immunity using Pfizer isn't until 1 week after second dose so you might be waiting 13 weeks for full immunity whereas AZ is 2 weeks after 1st dose...

Irish Stones · 30-04-2021 02:15PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Updated EU table of vaccines per 100, excluding countries using Russian and Chinese vaccines:

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 74 April 28th
Lithuania 34.5 April 29th 8
Germany 34.5 April 29th 8
Spain 34 April 28th 8
Austria 34 April 29th 7
Estonia 34 April 29th 7
Denmark 33.5 April 29th 6
Italy 32 April 29th 3
Finland 31.5 April 28th 3
Belgium 31.5 April 28th 3
Portugal 31.5 April 29th 2
Netherlands 31 April 28th 2
Sweden 31 April 29th 1
France 31 April 28th 2
Luxembourg 30 April 28th 0
Ireland 30 April 28th 0
Greece 29.5 April 28th -1
Poland 29.5 April 28th -1
Slovenia 29.5 April 29th -2
Czech Rep 29 April 29th -3
Slovakia 28.5 April 29th -4
Cyprus 27 April 23rd -1
Romania 26.5 April 28th -7
Croatia 21 April 28th -18
Latvia 16 April 29th -29
Bulgaria 11.5 April 29th -38

This table is misleading. My country, Italy, has distributed a single shot to 22.9% of population (total of single shot), a two doses to 9.6% of population. Yes, the total is that 32%, but it is not the same thing.

Russman · 30-04-2021 02:15PM

Turtwig wrote: »

One billion vaccines have now been administered worldwide. 16 months since the virus was identified.

That is an astonishing statistic.

frank8211 · 30-04-2021 02:18PM

Can people check on vaccine appointments if they have registered on the portal? How sooon after resistering do people get notified of a date and location or does that vary completely?

MerlinSouthDub · 30-04-2021 02:20PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Updated EU table of vaccines per 100, excluding countries using Russian and Chinese vaccines:

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 74 April 28th
Lithuania 34.5 April 29th 8
Germany 34.5 April 29th 8
Spain 34 April 28th 8
Austria 34 April 29th 7
Estonia 34 April 29th 7
Denmark 33.5 April 29th 6
Italy 32 April 29th 3
Finland 31.5 April 28th 3
Belgium 31.5 April 28th 3
Portugal 31.5 April 29th 2
Netherlands 31 April 28th 2
Sweden 31 April 29th 1
France 31 April 28th 2
Luxembourg 30 April 28th 0
Ireland 30 April 28th 0
Greece 29.5 April 28th -1
Poland 29.5 April 28th -1
Slovenia 29.5 April 29th -2
Czech Rep 29 April 29th -3
Slovakia 28.5 April 29th -4
Cyprus 27 April 23rd -1
Romania 26.5 April 28th -7
Croatia 21 April 28th -18
Latvia 16 April 29th -29
Bulgaria 11.5 April 29th -38

We are a couple of days behind, nothing to worry about but would be nice to see us move up the table. A minor logistical point is that it takes a few hours longer for Pfizer vaccines (made in Belgium) to get to Ireland compared to, say, Belgium. This probably loses us a day compared to Belgium.

iamwhoiam · 30-04-2021 02:22PM

frank8211 wrote: »

Can people check on vaccine appointments if they have registered on the portal? How sooon after resistering do people get notified of a date and location or does that vary completely?

Once you register and get an e mail with the number you can log in as a registered user . Mind you when I logged in after I had an appointment it still said “ awaiting appointment “
Among my friends the text with a date varied from 2 days to 10 days after registration

snotboogie · 30-04-2021 02:24PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

This table is misleading. My country, Italy, has distributed a single shot to 22.9% of population (total of single shot), a two doses to 9.6% of population. Yes, the total is that 32%, but it is not the same thing.

It is correct, all countries on the list are vaccine shots per 100 of the population, first and second dose inclusive. Its the standard measure used.

snotboogie · 30-04-2021 02:29PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

We are a couple of days behind, nothing to worry about but would be nice to see us move up the table. A minor logistical point is that it takes a few hours longer for Pfizer vaccines (made in Belgium) to get to Ireland compared to, say, Belgium. This probably loses us a day compared to Belgium.

Agreed, no big worry at the moment but if we only get to 150k this week, we'll really start to fall behind.

Tony H · 30-04-2021 02:37PM

frank8211 wrote: »

Can people check on vaccine appointments if they have registered on the portal? How sooon after resistering do people get notified of a date and location or does that vary completely?

I registered on the 23rd and I got an appointment today for next Friday .

Strazdas · 30-04-2021 02:38PM

SJFly wrote: »

Surely you have to plan your vaccination campaign based on the existing recommendations. I don't care how the j&j is used - I'd gladly accept a shot myself. What is not acceptable is having half a million doses of a safe, single shot vaccine sitting unused as pubs and restaurants are opening up.

All of the speculation about unused J & Js is coming from the media and on social media. The government and HSE don't seem overly bothered by this scenario : let's see how this pans out, they may have their reasons for believing it will not unfold this way.

ddarcy · 30-04-2021 02:45PM

Strazdas wrote: »

All of the speculation about unused J & Js is coming from the media and on social media. The government and HSE don't seem overly bothered by this scenario : let's see how this pans out, they may have their reasons for believing it will not unfold this way.

I think people keep forgetting that ireland has ordered full doses for 10.3 million people. We were always going to not use it all. Its really down to deliveries, but Pfizer seems to be picking up anyways.

Plus the US has kind of hit the point where everyone that will get vaccinated has. So they’ve a lot of supplies to be handed out as well (realistically this will go to poorer nations/ harder hit countries). So there is a potential of more Pfizer/Moderna as both are for profit coming to Europe

SJFly · 30-04-2021 02:51PM

ddarcy wrote: »

I think people keep forgetting that ireland has ordered full doses for 10.3 million people. We were always going to not use it all. Its really down to deliveries, but Pfizer seems to be picking up anyways.

Plus the US has kind of hit the point where everyone that will get vaccinated has. So they’ve a lot of supplies to be handed out as well (realistically this will go to poorer nations/ harder hit countries). So there is a potential of more Pfizer/Moderna as both are for profit coming to Europe

The number of doses we have ordered and will be arriving in Q3 and Q4 is not relevant. What is vital is the number of doses we have used before we attempt to open up for the summer.

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