Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 08:49PM

I have to say the news from government was very positive for AZ vaccine receivers. It looks like they will have the all clear a week before Pfizer vaccinated people which I think is a massive boost to them.

revelman · 29-04-2021 08:51PM

Strazdas wrote: »

But if they're opening the portal for the over 50s as soon as the first week in May, it would suggest that J & J is not the sole mainstay for this cohort - they will have nowhere near enough J & J doses to cover them.

(I'm aware AZ is also in the mix but we're talking 600k+ people to be vaccinated).

a) inviting 50-59 will probably be phased like it was for those in their sixties. As we move through May, AZ and J&J supply should increase;
b) a portion of that 600,000 will already have been vaccinated and another portion will refuse vaccination so we could be looking at 400k that need to be done.

I’d say that AZ and J&J will go along way with this cohort. Throw in a few Pfizer and Moderna too to make up the shortfall and to make everyone in their fifties feel better about things (not that I think they should be worried about AZ or J&J but some will be irrational).

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 08:51PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

I have to say the news from government was very positive for AZ vaccine receivers. It looks like they will have the all clear a week before Pfizer vaccinated people which I think is a massive boost to them.

Can I ask what they said please

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 08:55PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Can I ask what they said please

Oh crikey let me try find it but I definitely heard it. I’ll go search.

Tony H · 29-04-2021 08:55PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I had AZ . I had one day of feeling cold and worn out . I had headache for two days and an occasional dizzy spell . All in all 4 days of being off ,
For me it was well worth it for the elation and joy of actually getting a Covid vaccine. The side effects were nothing to the worry of getting covid

The fact her family have a history of clots is absolutely no reason to worry as the two mechanisms are completely different

I hope you can reassure her

all i can do is try to reassure her , its even harder because its nearly impossible to get in touch with her gp .
Thanks for all the comments guys and girls , hopefully she will take whatever is offered and we can start to get our lives back again .

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 09:04PM

Can anyone help with a link to what was said about being considered safe re vaccinations I.e. you are safe after 3 weeks of AZ first dose I’m searching but can’t find anything

davehey79 · 29-04-2021 09:06PM

Got a call from Mullingar Hospital Wednesday week ago to ask if I’d like the vaccine totally out of the blue. Anyways lady on the phone was very helpful was because I had an 8 day stint last year for severe acute pneumonia so pushed up (I’m 41) Saturday afternoon got the Moderna vaccine and was fine with the exception of a sore arm around the injection site and a raised temp for a few hours on the Sunday. Back on the 22nd for my 2nd dose.

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 09:07PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

Can anyone help with a link to what was said about being considered safe re vaccinations I.e. you are safe after 3 weeks of AZ first dose I’m searching but can’t find anything

Do you remember who said and when ? That would be wonderful !!

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 09:11PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you remember who said and when ? That would be wonderful !!

Sorry, i am still searching but I will prevail.

nomdeboardie · 29-04-2021 09:14PM

revelman wrote: »

a) inviting 50-59 will probably be phased like it was for those in their sixties. As we move through May, AZ and J&J supply should increase;
b) a portion of that 600,000 will already have been vaccinated and another portion will refuse vaccination so we could be looking at 400k that need to be done.

I’d say that AZ and J&J will go along way with this cohort. Throw in a few Pfizer and Moderna too to make up the shortfall and to make everyone in their fifties feel better about things (not that I think they should be worried about AZ or J&J but some will be irrational).

That sounds a bit patronising (assuming you're not in that group yourself)

29-04-2021 09:15PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you remember who said and when ? That would be wonderful !!

Richard Chambers tweeted it below and Micheal Martin talked about it in the press conference.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1387818050825637892?s=19

duffman13 · 29-04-2021 09:16PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you remember who said and when ? That would be wonderful !!

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0429/1212903-covid-changes-latest/

Scroll down to vaccine bonus, AZ basically classed as fully vaccinated after 4 weeks

Edit

From 10 May, indoor private home visiting can be permitted (without masks or social distancing) in the following cases:

fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with other fully vaccinated people as long as there are no more than 3 households presentfully vaccinated people can meet indoors with unvaccinated people from a single household, provided that they are not at risk of severe illness

This applies to:

persons who have received AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) – 4 weeks after dose 1
persons who have received Janssen/Johnson & Johnson – 2 weeks after dose 1 (only dose)
persons who have received Pfizer – 1 weeks after dose 2
persons who have received Moderna – 2 weeks after dose 2
persons who have had a confirmed Covid-19 infection in the previous 6 month

Interesting differential between the two mRNA vaccines

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 09:18PM

The journal mention it here
https://www.thejournal.ie/lockdown-easing-liveblog-5422641-Apr2021/

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 09:18PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

Sorry, i am still searching but I will prevail.

I found this

Some more detail on the ‘vaccine bonus’, with indoor visits permitted – without masks or social distancing – for those who are vaccinated:

From 10 May

fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with other fully vaccinated people as long as there are no more than three households present;
fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with unvaccinated people from a single household, provided that they are not at risk of severe illness.
This applies to:

persons who have received AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) – four weeks after dose 1;
persons who have received Janssen/Johnson & Johnson – two weeks after dose 1 (only dose);
persons who have received Pfizer – one week after dose 2;
persons who have received Moderna – two weeks after dose 2;
persons who have had a confirmed Covid-19 infection in the previous six months.
It will be welcome news for the 50-69-year-olds that they will not have to wait until after their second AstraZeneca dose – 12 weeks after the first dose – until they can meet indoors with loved ones.

The HorsesMouth · 29-04-2021 09:20PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Richard Chambers tweeted it below and Micheal Martin talked about it in the press conference.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1387818050825637892?s=19

I just think all this vaccine bonus is nonsense. You can meet up if fully vaccinated indoors no masks etc etc...or else what?! Is there a punishment?
People are meeting up left right and centre, there is no way of policing this.

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 09:20PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I found this

Some more detail on the ‘vaccine bonus’, with indoor visits permitted – without masks or social distancing – for those who are vaccinated:

From 10 May

fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with other fully vaccinated people as long as there are no more than three households present;
fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with unvaccinated people from a single household, provided that they are not at risk of severe illness.
This applies to:

persons who have received AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) – four weeks after dose 1;
persons who have received Janssen/Johnson & Johnson – two weeks after dose 1 (only dose);
persons who have received Pfizer – one week after dose 2;
persons who have received Moderna – two weeks after dose 2;
persons who have had a confirmed Covid-19 infection in the previous six months.
It will be welcome news for the 50-69-year-olds that they will not have to wait until after their second AstraZeneca dose – 12 weeks after the first dose – until they can meet indoors with loved ones.

Yes that’s it!! It’s good news for AZ recipients who thought they’d have to wait 12 weeks, no?

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 09:21PM

Good news then about Astra Zenaca , a relief not to wait 12 or 14 weeks to be considered fully vaccinated !

pawdee · 29-04-2021 09:21PM

I'll be 53 in a few months and I don't have any underlying conditions that I know of. Anyone have any idea what are my chances of getting the J&J one shot vaccine? I haven't been following the vaccine side of things very closely because I thought I was way down the queue but now it seems like I might not have all that long to wait.

29-04-2021 09:22PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

I just think all this vaccine bonus is nonsense. You can meet up if fully vaccinated indoors no masks etc etc...or else what?! Is there a punishment?
People are meeting up left right and centre, there is no way of policing this.

Don't shoot the messenger!

I agree that a lot of people are not going to be aware of, let alone follow to the letter, those timelines. Especially when it's different for every vaccine.

The HorsesMouth · 29-04-2021 09:24PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger!

I agree that a lot of people are not going to be aware of, let alone follow to the letter, those timelines. Especially when it's different for every vaccine.

No sorry not aimed at you but more at Richard Chambers tweet!

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 09:31PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

The journal mention it here
https://www.thejournal.ie/lockdown-easing-liveblog-5422641-Apr2021/

Thanks for bringing it to my attention . Delighted with that news !

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 09:39PM

pawdee wrote: »

I'll be 53 in a few months and I don't have any underlying conditions that I know of. Anyone have any idea what are my chances of getting the J&J one shot vaccine? I haven't been following the vaccine side of things very closely because I thought I was way down the queue but now it seems like I might not have all that long to wait.

Still a bit unclear as was discussed a page or two back. You would definitely be in the mix for J & J or AstraZeneca, but it seems Pfizer or Moderna can't be ruled out either (probably only the HSE and NIAC know at this stage exactly what will happen).

josip · 29-04-2021 09:49PM

Do the same fully vaccinated criteria apply for the EU Covid 19 certificate or are there common EU criteria for that?

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 09:59PM

Tanaiste suggesting on Prime Time that the 45-49 portal could be opened very quickly after the 50-54 year olds.

He didn't go into too much detail but seems to be saying the plan is to throw every vaccine available at the 45-59 year olds.

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 10:02PM

josip wrote: »

Do the same fully vaccinated criteria apply for the EU Covid 19 certificate or are there common EU criteria for that?

We don't actually have the details on the EU certificate yet but I was reading this evening the European Parliament wants it to come into effect and to be usable very quickly (start of June).

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 10:07PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Tanaiste suggesting on Prime Time that the 45-49 portal could be opened very quickly after the 50-54 year olds.

He didn't go into too much detail but seems to be saying the plan is to throw every vaccine available at the 45-59 year olds.

They really need to sort out Cohort 4 snd 7 first . Its a mess as far as I can see

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 10:09PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They really need to sort out Cohort 4 snd 7 first . Its a mess as far as I can see

A bit more here :

https://twitter.com/LouiseByrneNews/status/1387873690390519808

He appears to suggest the plan now is try and get down through the cohorts asap, rather than leave the over 50s waiting until June for J & J.

(Perhaps he thinks the J & J over 50 advice could be revisited by NIAC).

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 29-04-2021 10:13PM

Hurry it up FDA :mad:

Madness how the US can take doses from the Netherlands but they export absolutely nothing.

Emergent BioSolutions Inc. has produced more than 115 million doses of drug substance used in the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine, according to a person familiar with the matter, 60 million doses of which are in vials and ready to deploy at U.S. regulators’ discretion.

The Gaithersburg, Maryland-based contract manufacturer has been producing the J&J single-shot vaccine since the fourth quarter of 2020, said the person. The size of the stockpile, which isn’t yet cleared by the Food and Drug Administration for release, hasn’t been previously reported.

A Biden administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the figures were roughly correct but declined to specify further. It’s not clear if or when regulators would authorize the facility to release the doses in the U.S. J&J and the White House declined to comment on how much supply has been produced at the site.

Emergent-made supply had been expected to be cleared for use last month. But staff conflated materials for the J&J vaccine with those for doses from U.K. drugmaker AstraZeneca Plc that were also being made at the plant, a setback in J&J’s ability to deliver significant supply. The error led Emergent to discard 15 million doses of an ingredient used in the J&J vaccine.

The 115 million doses worth of ready-made drug substance do not include the 15 million discarded doses, said the person.

The production flub led the FDA to launch an inspection of the site on April 12. Four days later, the agency said Emergent should stop making new materials and quarantine existing materials and product until further notice.

Emergent’s facility in the Bayview neighborhood of Baltimore is crucial to J&J meeting its U.S. production target of delivering 100 million does by the end of June. It’s an essential part of the global supply chain, one of few facilities responsible for making the bulk drug substance, or the active ingredient, used in the vaccine.

Once produced, Emergent sends the substance to other facilities contracted by J&J. It is combined with other materials and put in sterile vials, known as the final-stage fill-finish process, before being shipped to administration sites. As a result, the 60 million vialed doses that contain the Emergent-made drug substance are not actually stored at the Bayview facility.

To date, a J&J-run facility based in the Netherlands is the only one in the global manufacturing network cleared to make the underlying drug substance used in the vaccine. That suggests delays to Emergent’s authorization could impact delivery timelines around the world.

Stheno · 29-04-2021 10:18PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Tanaiste suggesting on Prime Time that the 45-49 portal could be opened very quickly after the 50-54 year olds.

He didn't go into too much detail but seems to be saying the plan is to throw every vaccine available at the 45-59 year olds.

My oh in his late 50s got his first jab as he was on the GPs reserve list yesterday

I'm late 40s if what you post is correct that would be great

hmmm · 29-04-2021 10:22PM

duffman13 wrote: »

From 10 May

fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with other fully vaccinated people as long as there are no more than three households present;
fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with unvaccinated people from a single household, provided that they are not at risk of severe illness.
This applies to:

persons who have received AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) – four weeks after dose 1;
persons who have received Janssen/Johnson & Johnson – two weeks after dose 1 (only dose);
persons who have received Pfizer – one week after dose 2;
persons who have received Moderna – two weeks after dose 2;
persons who have had a confirmed Covid-19 infection in the previous six months.

Too complicated, absolute gibberish for most people.

If there's an actual risk in there (for example meeting within 2/4 weeks of first vaccine) then highlight it, otherwise simplify the message and we can live with the tiny risk as a consequence.

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