Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Chivito550 · 29-04-2021 07:01PM

Advice needed. I've had my first vaccine which I got through work as I work for an essential organisation. I got it at the end of February. My second jab was supposed to be end of May. They've now pushed it back to the end of June.

My second jab is on the day before the National Athletics Championships, which I plan to compete in. Obviously if I have a vaccine the day before I'll be floored like last time and won't be able to run.

I tried to get this changed but the clowns in the HSE said only those between 60 and 69 can have their dates changed as the system is closed for all else, despite the fact I've had one vaccine and have an appointment for a second vaccine.

A quick Google search shows you can easily change a vaccine date in NI and UK, but as always, life is just that more difficult here.

Has anyone any advice on how I can get this date changed?

is_that_so · 29-04-2021 07:04PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

This doesn't make sense unless they are assuming NIAC will end up reducing the age group for J&J (which is pretty likely I guess as more data emerges)

Well, to maintain that age first approach it does so that they can get through the 50s first. With the limited supplies of J&J and AZ being AZ there might be no harm in doing that.

MerlinSouthDub · 29-04-2021 07:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, to maintain that age first approach it does so that they can get through the 50s first. With the limited supplies of J&J and AZ being AZ there might be no harm in doing that.

I just really don't like the idea of unused vaccines at end of June. If the over 50s limit is still in place, that will happen. It makes more sense to me that the over 50s are delayed (and we are only talking weeks here) until we have j&J available. And use Pfizer for the under 50s

embraer170 · 29-04-2021 07:08PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Advice needed. I've had my first vaccine which I got through work as I work for an essential organisation. I got it at the end of February. My second jab was supposed to be end of May. They've now pushed it back to the end of June.

My second jab is on the day before the National Athletics Championships, which I plan to compete in. Obviously if I have a vaccine the day before I'll be floored like last time and won't be able to run.

I tried to get this changed but the clowns in the HSE said only those between 60 and 69 can have their dates changed as the system is closed for all else, despite the fact I've had one vaccine and have an appointment for a second vaccine.

A quick Google search shows you can easily change a vaccine date in NI and UK, but as always, life is just that more difficult here.

Has anyone any advice on how I can get this date changed?

Say you are sick the day before the vaccine?

Miike · 29-04-2021 07:10PM

embraer170 wrote: »

Say you are sick the day before the vaccine?

That will push them back up to a further 4 weeks. I would NOT do this.

SJFly · 29-04-2021 07:11PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Advice needed. I've had my first vaccine which I got through work as I work for an essential organisation. I got it at the end of February. My second jab was supposed to be end of May. They've now pushed it back to the end of June.

My second jab is on the day before the National Athletics Championships, which I plan to compete in. Obviously if I have a vaccine the day before I'll be floored like last time and won't be able to run.

I tried to get this changed but the clowns in the HSE said only those between 60 and 69 can have their dates changed as the system is closed for all else, despite the fact I've had one vaccine and have an appointment for a second vaccine.

A quick Google search shows you can easily change a vaccine date in NI and UK, but as always, life is just that more difficult here.

Has anyone any advice on how I can get this date changed?

Can't help with your main question, but anecdotally, the reaction from the second AZ jab is much less severe (apparently the other way around with Pfizer. Probably still not something you'd want to chance before a big event.

josip · 29-04-2021 07:12PM

JTMan wrote: »

Merkel said "spring 2022" as to when those aged 11 and younger will be vaccinated. She is wrong from a timeline perspective. As you said, it might be September/October before 5-11 year olds get vaccinated. Merkel is right that primary schools will need to prepare to reopen, after the summer, with nearly all kids un-vaccinated and the controls and risks that come with that.

EMA approval of July for 12-15 year olds would be 4 months after first trial data available for that cohort (March).
So if first trial data for 5-11 is available in July, then I think it will be November before they will start getting jabbed.
Fully vaccinated in time for Santa Claus

Bit cynical · 29-04-2021 07:12PM

SJFly wrote: »

It's actually really impressive (bar a few outliers) to see the EU countries progressing in sync. I'm glad it wasn't a free for all with winners and losers.

Though on the other hand, of course, it does imply that there's a fair amount of room for improvement at the EU level.

is_that_so · 29-04-2021 07:14PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I just really don't like the idea of unused vaccines at end of June. If the over 50s limit is still in place, that will happen. It makes more sense to me that the over 50s are delayed (and we are only talking weeks here) until we have j&J available. And use Pfizer for the under 50s

Reid was clear that there will be no group delayed and they'll still be going by age. I think they'll manage the J&J, the other vaccines will help with that over 50s group.

stephenjmcd · 29-04-2021 07:28PM

Strazdas wrote: »

And will receive all four vaccines (RTE Drivetime were discussing it just before 6pm).

MM asked that question in press conference just now. Says HSE operational advice is due on it next week. They are working out the best way to implement NIAC advice with the supply chain

ACitizenErased · 29-04-2021 07:29PM

As expected, RTE wrong again.
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387835912898424838?s=21

Tony H · 29-04-2021 07:53PM

a question for anyone in group 7 over 60 that were vaccinated , were you given the astra zenaca or the pfizer vaacine , from looking at the hse website it looks like anyone over 60 is getting the astra zenaca regardless of medical condition ,

sorry if its been answered already but the other half is freaking out about taking the astra zenaca .

embraer170 · 29-04-2021 08:07PM

Miike wrote: »

That will push them back up to a further 4 weeks. I would NOT do this.

Where does the 4 weeks come from?

secman · 29-04-2021 08:08PM

Tony H wrote: »

a question for anyone in group 7 over 60 that were vaccinated , were you given the astra zenaca or the pfizer vaacine , from looking at the hse website it looks like anyone over 60 is getting the astra zenaca regardless of medical condition ,

sorry if its been answered already but the other half is freaking out about taking the astra zenaca .

I really find it bizarre that people are freaking out over the AZ vaccine, well over 35 million doses have been administered , your other half is being totally irrational, going by their logic they have a superb chance of winning the Lotto.

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 08:16PM

Tony H wrote: »

a question for anyone in group 7 over 60 that were vaccinated , were you given the astra zenaca or the pfizer vaacine , from looking at the hse website it looks like anyone over 60 is getting the astra zenaca regardless of medical condition ,

sorry if its been answered already but the other half is freaking out about taking the astra zenaca .

May I ask why she is freaking out and what are her worries ?

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 29-04-2021 08:18PM

France reopening non-essential retail and bars/restaurants (outside) on May 19th
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56934746

Are we paying too much attention to case numbers rather than vaccination numbers especially with so many of the most vulnerable vaccinated? Are we moving too slow? Are they moving too fast?

duffman13 · 29-04-2021 08:22PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

France reopening non-essential retail and bars/restaurants (outside) on May 19th
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56934746

Are we paying too much attention to case numbers rather than vaccination numbers especially with so many of the most vulnerable vaccinated? Are we moving too slow? Are they moving too fast?

Probably, it's really a crude metric at this stage of the pandemic. Hospital numbers are a far better indicator tbh. The likes of France have a far higher occupancy of hospital beds where we are in a great place in comparison to the peak.

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 08:23PM

I’m embarrassed to say with having severe hypothyroidism I managed to put on a stone in weight over the lockdown, with working from home and not climbing 3 flights of stairs everyday and walking at lunchtime which I normally did, my weight escalated. I calculated my BMI which knocked me over 40, so not good. I rang my GP and honestly I was expecting a lecture but no, they just said, you need the vaccine, text will follow next week and then vaccine end of next week. I’m so thankful and relieved and yet know people will judge me but for now I’m just grateful as I’ve been absolutely terrified of catching covid.

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 08:27PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

I’m embarrassed to say with having severe hypothyroidism I managed to put on a stone in weight over the lockdown, with working from home and not climbing 3 flights of stairs everyday and walking at lunchtime which I normally did, my weight escalated. I calculated my BMI which knocked me over 40, so not good. I rang my GP and honestly I was expecting a lecture but no, they just said, you need the vaccine, text will follow next week and then vaccine end of next week. I’m so thankful and relieved and yet know people will judge me but for now I’m just grateful as I’ve been absolutely terrified of catching covid.

Go for it !! Get your vaccine and then you can deal with the weight

29-04-2021 08:27PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

I’m embarrassed to say with having severe hypothyroidism I managed to put on a stone in weight over the lockdown, with working from home and not climbing 3 flights of stairs everyday and walking at lunchtime which I normally did, my weight escalated. I calculated my BMI which knocked me over 40, so not good. I rang my GP and honestly I was expecting a lecture but no, they just said, you need the vaccine, text will follow next week and then vaccine end of next week. I’m so thankful and relieved and yet know people will judge me but for now I’m just grateful as I’ve been absolutely terrified of catching covid.

My doctor told me my BMI being over 40 was irrelevant.
A mate who was in hospital once as a kid with asthma got a call to be offered the vaccine. I was in hospital with asthma, doesn't matter. His mother in her 50s was offered the vaccine because she has diabetes. His father who recovered from cancer, cardiac arrest and has lung hardness is with a different GP and has been told nothing.
Not judging you and good for you you got it but the arbitrary criteria across different doctors etc. is really annoying.

Tony H · 29-04-2021 08:29PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

May I ask why she is freaking out and what are her worries ?

she feels that she will be looking for bad side effects from the minute she gets the jab , she already suffers from stress and high blood pressure , she knows herself that its irrational but thats just the way she is hard wired ,
and on top of that her family had a history of blood clots , her father died from complications from one ,

secman I sincerely hope you never have to support a family member with fears and worries no matter how irrational they are , but that's life .

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 08:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My doctor told me my BMI being over 40 was irrelevant.
A mate who was in hospital once as a kid with asthma got a call to be offered the vaccine. I was in hospital with asthma, doesn't matter. His mother in her 50s was offered the vaccine because she has diabetes. His father who recovered from cancer, cardiac arrest and has lung hardness is with a different GP and has been told nothing.
Not judging you and good for you you got it but the arbitrary criteria across different doctors etc. is really annoying.

When you say your doctor told you your weight was irrelevant, did he refuse you the vaccine?

Tony H · 29-04-2021 08:32PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

When you say your doctor told you your weight was irrelevant, did he refuse you the vaccine?

did your doctor tell you which vaccine you were getting ?

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 08:34PM

Tony H wrote: »

did your doctor tell you which vaccine you were getting ?

No Tony, and I don’t really care but I believe they are doing the Pfizer.

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 08:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

MM asked that question in press conference just now. Says HSE operational advice is due on it next week. They are working out the best way to implement NIAC advice with the supply chain

But if they're opening the portal for the over 50s as soon as the first week in May, it would suggest that J & J is not the sole mainstay for this cohort - they will have nowhere near enough J & J doses to cover them.

(I'm aware AZ is also in the mix but we're talking 600k+ people to be vaccinated).

Tony H · 29-04-2021 08:37PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

No Tony, and I don’t really care but I believe they are doing the Pfizer.

thanks Sally , best of luck with the vaccine , I don't really care either but its really stressing my wife .

Champagne Sally · 29-04-2021 08:40PM

Tony H wrote: »

thanks Sally , best of luck with the vaccine , I don't really care either but its really stressing my wife .

Oh look it I understand completely, if your wife has any underlying conditions please encourage her to ring her GP as she will get the MRNA vaccines. A call would do no harm at all.

secman · 29-04-2021 08:43PM

Tony H wrote: »

she feels that she will be looking for bad side effects from the minute she gets the jab , she already suffers from stress and high blood pressure , she knows herself that its irrational but thats just the way she is hard wired ,
and on top of that her family had a history of blood clots , her father died from complications from one ,

secman I sincerely hope you never have to support a family member with fears and worries no matter how irrational they are , but that's life .

My wife has had several bouts of highs and lows over the last 12 months, she was very worried about getting AZ vaccine, I spoke to her ar length about how the UK are opening back up and have used over 30 million doses of AZ . She got the vaccine on Sat evening, has the sore arm, and on off flu like symptoms. But she knows she's on the road to seeing kids and grandkids again.
I'm on BP and cholesterol meds and am awaiting the AZ vaccine any day now.

29-04-2021 08:43PM

Tony H wrote: »

she feels that she will be looking for bad side effects from the minute she gets the jab , she already suffers from stress and high blood pressure , she knows herself that its irrational but thats just the way she is hard wired ,
and on top of that her family had a history of blood clots , her father died from complications from one ,

secman I sincerely hope you never have to support a family member with fears and worries no matter how irrational they are , but that's life .

I can understand the worry, but if she's being offered Astrazeneca then I guess she's over 60?
The clotting risk is absolutely miniscule in that age group, while covid is a very serious risk. Especially in an at risk cohort.

At 60, you're 85 times more likely to die from covid than a clot from the AZ vaccine (and that's taking into account your chances of getting covid in the first place).

The clotting risk is much higher for people in their 20s and 30s, who also happen to be at a lower risk from covid. So the risk v benefit question is not as straightforward as it would be for someone in their 60s (where the benefit massively outweighs the risk, many times over).

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2021 08:45PM

Tony H wrote: »

she feels that she will be looking for bad side effects from the minute she gets the jab , she already suffers from stress and high blood pressure , she knows herself that its irrational but thats just the way she is hard wired ,
and on top of that her family had a history of blood clots , her father died from complications from one ,

secman I sincerely hope you never have to support a family member with fears and worries no matter how irrational they are , but that's life .

I had AZ . I had one day of feeling cold and worn out . I had headache for two days and an occasional dizzy spell . All in all 4 days of being off ,
For me it was well worth it for the elation and joy of actually getting a Covid vaccine. The side effects were nothing to the worry of getting covid

The fact her family have a history of clots is absolutely no reason to worry as the two mechanisms are completely different

I hope you can reassure her

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