Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Turtwig · 29-04-2021 04:02PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

There's now been 4 of the rare blood clotting events in the UK after second doses reported now. However they haven't released how many second doses have been administered yet.

Do you know the time frame it happened within after the second dose?

phormium · 29-04-2021 04:06PM

I registered the day it opened for over 60s, last Friday maybe, can't remember, anyway got appt for next Tuesday, I'm 61. That's pretty quick I wasn't expecting it so soon.

PhilOssophy · 29-04-2021 04:07PM

1huge1 wrote: »

According to Alan Kelly, 220,000 in the 60-69 age cohort have not registered (so far) online/phone.

This is quite a sizeable proportion of that age cohort is it not?

The first mistake you made was listening to Alan Kelly about anything.

He's probably partly, right, partly wrong. Say my mother and father in law are in that age group. They got a shout from their GP to come for vaccination. They were due to register in the last few days but didn't need to.

It is very possible that they are in that 220k cohort that Alan is raising. But also - what does Alan want SD to do? Call to these 220k people with a menu of vaccines?

But yet again I raise the point, this is the off-shoot of the "abundance of caution". If there hadn't been a word about AZ/J&J being restricted, this wouldn't be even an issue. People here 1 in a million blood clot and think "oh no", in spite of the 1 in a million risks they take every day.

The media and NIAC have a lot to answer for.

CrowdedHouse · 29-04-2021 04:11PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

But yet again I raise the point, this is the off-shoot of the "abundance of caution". If there hadn't been a word about AZ/J&J being restricted, this wouldn't be even an issue. People here 1 in a million blood clot and think "oh no", in spite of the 1 in a million risks they take every day.

The media and NIAC have a lot to answer for.

Again what age group are you in please?

marno21 · 29-04-2021 04:15PM

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1387782504506175491?s=21

Very positive. Almost all Pfizer with a few AstraZeneca

Should be shoved in the face of Gerry Killeen and co the next time they suggest vaccines aren’t effective

PhilOssophy · 29-04-2021 04:16PM

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Again what age group are you in please?

Why do you ask? 40's.......

is_that_so · 29-04-2021 04:16PM

marno21 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1387782504506175491?s=21

Very positive. Almost all Pfizer with a few AstraZeneca

Should be shoved in the face of Gerry Killeen and co the next time they suggest vaccines aren’t effective

Good to see but a "country" with a population of 33K!

CrowdedHouse · 29-04-2021 04:19PM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Why do you ask? 40's.......

Because it's easy to virtue signal something that you're unlikely to get. I (50's) had absolutely no problem with AZ because until a few days ago it didn't look like I'd be getting it.

Thanks

PhilOssophy · 29-04-2021 04:26PM

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Because it's easy to virtue signal something that you're unlikely to get. I (50's) had absolutely no problem with AZ because until a few days ago it didn't look like I'd be getting it.

Thanks

I'm not virtue signalling anything. I'm merely pointing out the mistake NIAC made has repercussions in terms of the overall message and confidence in the vaccines being offered.

As I have said from the start, if there was data to back up the over 50s only approach, I would say it is data-based. But there isn't. Which is why it is something NIAC are going to have to row back on. I've no doubt as to the intelligence and capability of the people in NIAC but how they could restrict a vaccine for a 1-in-a-million blood clot (which is now even treatable) is simply beyond me.

wadacrack · 29-04-2021 04:31PM

Myocarditis have been seen in a few people who have been vaccinated in Israel.

https://twitter.com/MarcusReports/status/1386787809751715845

Bubbaclaus · 29-04-2021 04:34PM

I'm surprised we haven't got a 1.5m doses completed announcement yet today.

Goldengirl · 29-04-2021 04:40PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I guess there might be all sorts of reasons for this, beyond simple vaccine hesitancy or people trying to be choosy about which vaccine they get. Presumably a lot of them will get vaccinated at some point in the next few weeks or months.

And possible that a good few in this age group being done by GPs in the high risk conditions cohorts also .

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 04:44PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

And possible that a good few in this age group being done by GPs in the high risk conditions cohorts also .

Indeed, and also I think the more that the family and friends of reluctant people get vaccinated, the more pressure they'll feel to register on the portal - nobody wants to be the odd one out, not unless they are the type that would refuse any vaccine point blank.

Wolf359f · 29-04-2021 04:45PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Do you know the time frame it happened within after the second dose?

I don't, it was just mentioned briefly on Sky News scroll down to 14:47

Goldengirl · 29-04-2021 04:54PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Indeed, and also I think the more that the family and friends of reluctant people get vaccinated, the more pressure they'll feel to register on the portal - nobody wants to be the odd one out, not unless they are the type that would refuse any vaccine point blank.

Yes. Especially with everything opening up and the vaccination bonuses .

There is no way at this stage for the HSE to know if some of those numbers are already vaxxed or not .
They are all estimated group numbers , with the best will in the world .

That is why anyone who has not yet heard anything and feels they should be getting a call if high risk, needs to contact either their hospital team or GP to ensure they are on one of the lists .

is_that_so · 29-04-2021 05:14PM

Another treatment under EMA review.

The European Medicines Agency will conduct an accelerated review of Eli Lilly and Co's (LLY.N) rheumatoid arthritis drug Olumiant for hospitalized COVID-19 patients getting oxygen, the agency said on Thursday, as the search for treatment options continues.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/ema-quickly-review-eli-lilly-incyte-arthritis-drug-covid-19-use-2021-04-29/

timsey tiger · 29-04-2021 05:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mr Campbell is not on the ball very much anymore. In that video he discussed the fall in cases in Czech republic and the correlation with the introduction of the Ivermectin hherapeutic drug. A therapy given to people who already have the virus and are getting the drug in hospitals and clinics is somehow preventing people from getting the virus

That is only the start, most of it he spends his time trying to big up possible heart inflamation side effects from the pfizer jab in young men.

I think the quantities of ivermectin used in Czechia are tiny and would have a negigable effect etherway.

RavenBea17b · 29-04-2021 06:09PM

Zipppy wrote: »

Yes, You are correct..
In hindsight to my earlier post, I guess I'm happy just to be getting vaccinated..
And I realise that if it was AZ I'd still be very well protected after dose 1,,and sure look, it could have been J&J and I'd be done in one go..
They're all great...

This better/worse thing about vaccines is not helpful.
Pfizer like all the other vaccines approved so far, has some known side effects, right now including an ongoing investigation in Israel by the Ministry of Health that there have been cases young men developing heart inflammation after their second jab or close to. They are reviewing the data as more comes in- including from USA.
Covid and its effects are still being learnt about.
All vaccines do the same job.
Reduce risk of serious illness and hospitalisation.

ACitizenErased · 29-04-2021 06:10PM

Portal to open next week for people aged 50-59.

TheDoctor · 29-04-2021 06:10PM

Portal open to 50-59 year olds next week according to MM

namloc1980 · 29-04-2021 06:10PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Portal open to 50-59 year olds next week according to MM

Yeah fair play.

Miike · 29-04-2021 06:15PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Another treatment under EMA review.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/ema-quickly-review-eli-lilly-incyte-arthritis-drug-covid-19-use-2021-04-29/

The cost of olumiant would shock the knickers off you, If I remember correctly. It's not even price listed in my MIMs :pac:

Actually not that bad. It's price listed on my UK mims account!

Bit cynical · 29-04-2021 06:15PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

At those numbers we’ll be close to the bottom of vaccine roll out in the EU.

Generally most EU countries are still in a fairly tight band with a few outliers. Most countries are within a few percentage points of each other and a long way from capacity to vaccinate nationally being the bottleneck.

29-04-2021 06:21PM

Vaccine bonus
From 10 May, indoor private home visiting can be permitted (without masks or social distancing) in the following cases:

fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with other fully vaccinated people as long as there are no more than 3 households present
fully vaccinated people can meet indoors with unvaccinated people from a single household, provided that they are not at risk of severe illness
This applies to:

persons who have received AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) – 4 weeks after dose 1
persons who have received Janssen/Johnson & Johnson – 2 weeks after dose 1 (only dose)
persons who have received Pfizer – 1 weeks after dose 2
persons who have received Moderna – 2 weeks after dose 2
persons who have had a confirmed COVID-19 infection in the previous 6 months

An interesting change from the previous 'fully vaccinated + 2 weeks'. Levels the playing field a bit. Makes you wonder what will be required for international travel

astrofool · 29-04-2021 06:23PM

Widescreen wrote: »

There seem to be a bigger selection of higher risk side effects with Pfizer, including Bels Palsy - I think AZ is the best of them , no doubt. I had it a month ago.

Just before anyone takes this post seriously.

There was another guy on here ("I regurgitate the news") pushing that story, it's based on all the things that happened to people during the trials and they were all unrelated to the vaccine itself (i.e. 5 people per 30k develop some sort of Bell's Palsy per month without a vaccine and this number was also seen during the trial).

It's complete misreading of trial results by idiot anti-vaxxers who then tried to make a story out of it.

Strazdas · 29-04-2021 06:28PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Portal open to 50-59 year olds next week according to MM

And will receive all four vaccines (RTE Drivetime were discussing it just before 6pm).

MerlinSouthDub · 29-04-2021 06:49PM

Strazdas wrote: »

And will receive all four vaccines (RTE Drivetime were discussing it just before 6pm).

This doesn't make sense unless they are assuming NIAC will end up reducing the age group for J&J (which is pretty likely I guess as more data emerges)

SJFly · 29-04-2021 06:50PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Generally most EU countries are still in a fairly tight band with a few outliers. Most countries are within a few percentage points of each other and a long way from capacity to vaccinate nationally being the bottleneck.

It's actually really impressive (bar a few outliers) to see the EU countries progressing in sync. I'm glad it wasn't a free for all with winners and losers.

munchkin_utd · 29-04-2021 06:51PM

JTMan wrote: »

RTE now reporting a much more optimistic timeline for those aged under 11. (So Merkel's comments are likely incorrect).

Shes not

In areas of northern Germany the summer holidays are early so they are back to school for the autumn term on August 2th but the results for vaccines for younger kids wont be out till September, and then the EMA has a wee think about it, so it could be late September or early October before the vaccines are approved for primary kids which is well past when schools are starting up.

JTMan · 29-04-2021 07:00PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Shes not

In areas of northern Germany the summer holidays are early so they are back to school for the autumn term on August 2th but the results for vaccines for younger kids wont be out till September, and then the EMA has a wee think about it, so it could be late September or early October before the vaccines are approved for primary kids which is well past when schools are starting up.

Merkel said "spring 2022" as to when those aged 11 and younger will be vaccinated. She is wrong from a timeline perspective. As you said, it might be September/October before 5-11 year olds get vaccinated. Merkel is right that primary schools will need to prepare to reopen, after the summer, with nearly all kids un-vaccinated and the controls and risks that come with that.

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