Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Thelonious Monk · 28-04-2021 02:58PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

No TD is going to lose any significant amounts of votes let alone a seat over the implementation of MUP, regardless of what people here might think.

This is true, and because the media are pro pretty much everything the Gov do it will barely get a mention.
And then we'll just suck it up and accept it and it'll be forgotten about.
I mean the saloon doors in supermarkets are just embarrassing, why in the f*ck are these zealots getting a say in anything. To think they are legalising cannabis in other countries and we're being nannied like this.

listermint · 28-04-2021 03:03PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

MUP has been on the cards since 2011
Roisin Shorthall then of the Labour Party was the junior minister for health that started the ball rolling on it.

So in that time there has been two General Elections and the threat of MUP has been so irrelevant to the political discussion that it has not appeared once as an election issue in all that time.

No TD is going to lose any significant amounts of votes let alone a seat over the implementation of MUP, regardless of what people here might think.

MUP has been on the cards of you call the cards hidden under a pile of bricks and we don't talk about it.

It hasn't appeared as a discussion point because they simply won't talk about it.

You know this I know this. Its blatantly unpopular has no public support has highly questionable data but has the zealot alcohol lobby and all the other interfere in people's lives religious centric nutters pushing their agenda.

They've also got the backing of the front vintner's lobby who are widely into party politics in this country.

It's a charade the whole thing.

tjhook · 28-04-2021 03:13PM

As it stands, MUP won't affect me. I already pay more than the MUP for the drink I like. And I don't drink that often.

But to dimmer minds, MUP will be like violence - "If it's not working, it's because you're not using enough of it".

I can foresee it having no effect on alcohol consumption, otherwise we'd already have the lowest consumption in Europe. So there'll probably be another round of MUP in a year or so. And so on...

Thelonious Monk · 28-04-2021 03:16PM

These clowns at AAI have to earn their grants etc so no doubt they'll be covering half the bottles in pictures of liver disease and god knows what else sooner or later, and they'll be trying to reduce off licence hours. They wont stop at MUP.

Suckit · 28-04-2021 03:38PM

tjhook wrote: »

As it stands, MUP won't affect me. I already pay more than the MUP for the drink I like. And I don't drink that often.

But to dimmer minds, MUP will be like violence - "If it's not working, it's because you're not using enough of it".

I can foresee it having no effect on alcohol consumption, otherwise we'd already have the lowest consumption in Europe. So there'll probably be another round of MUP in a year or so. And so on...

It will likely affect you. It causes a price increase on the premium brands too.

Big Gerry · 28-04-2021 04:30PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

This is true, and because the media are pro pretty much everything the Gov do it will barely get a mention.
And then we'll just suck it up and accept it and it'll be forgotten about.
I mean the saloon doors in supermarkets are just embarrassing, why in the f*ck are these zealots getting a say in anything. To think they are legalising cannabis in other countries and we're being nannied like this.

A lot of people in the Irish media are big coke users so they probably won't notice if the price of drink goes up.

tjhook · 28-04-2021 04:38PM

Suckit wrote: »

It will likely affect you. It causes a price increase on the premium brands too.

Heh, yes, possibly. I don't drink very much though, so I won't notice it.

I just resent a "health measure" that's really just an excuse to give in to a lobby.

listermint · 28-04-2021 04:40PM

tjhook wrote: »

As it stands, MUP won't affect me. I already pay more than the MUP for the drink I like. And I don't drink that often.

But to dimmer minds, MUP will be like violence - "If it's not working, it's because you're not using enough of it".

I can foresee it having no effect on alcohol consumption, otherwise we'd already have the lowest consumption in Europe. So there'll probably be another round of MUP in a year or so. And so on...

It will most definitely impact you. As it will most definitely impact me. I drink craft beers of varying varieties. This will allow all producers to move their pricing to to retain the premium margin difference they currently have between their products and the budget brands.

The notion this won't push premium products up is backed by absolutely no international evidence.

PunkIPA · 28-04-2021 04:43PM

There's a very nice little product in Aldi, Brown Bear IPA, produced here in Ireland (Pearse Lyons I think), 7.5% at 500ml.

Goes very nicely with rich foods, their duck pancakes being my usual pairing. I might drink two or three of these over the course of a weekend.

It currently sells for €2. With MUP the price will rise to €3.75. That's the better part of €300 over the course of a year.

I drink quite a few Irish craft beers which will also be affected by this puritanical nonsense.

Now, I am in Dublin City Centre every day and see alcoholics drinking on the steps of the Customs House and along the Quays all the time. I've yet to see them supping that particular brew.

If MUP is brought in I will simply stop buying any retail alcohol in this country, as I would imagine will anybody with an ounce of sense. A spin up to Newry once a year or every six months with a family member to buy a year's worth of drink will become the new norm.

I have never seen a stupider public health policy in all my life.

Oh wait, I have, those useless f**king flappy doors, which goes to show the staggering levels of stupefying incompetence involved with the people making these decisions.

PunkIPA · 28-04-2021 05:08PM

Just another example:

The cheapest a 700ml bottle of 40% spirit can sell for is €22. Already, the likes of Jameson Crested and Black Bush can be got on sale for €25.

Again, not the favoured tipple of the average wino.

Those days will be gone. If the entry level expressions are selling for a minimum €22, the cheapest the more upmarket drams will be selling for is c.€30.

Anyone who thinks that MUP won't increase the price of their chosen tipple is, quite frankly, deluded, unless they are regularly swilling Dom or Dream Cask of a weekend.

The annual pilgrimage across the border will become an inevitable part of Irish life if this deranged lunacy goes ahead.

Tony EH · 28-04-2021 05:10PM

PunkIPA wrote: »

I have never seen a stupider public health policy in all my life.

Minimum pricing has nothing to do with "health". It's price gouging, nothing more.

KrustyUCC · 28-04-2021 05:11PM

PunkIPA wrote: »

There's a very nice little product in Aldi, Brown Bear IPA, produced here in Ireland (Pearse Lyons I think), 7.5% at 500ml.

Goes very nicely with rich foods, their duck pancakes being my usual pairing. I might drink two or three of these over the course of a weekend.

It currently sells for €2. With MUP the price will rise to €3.75. That's the better part of €300 over the course of a year.

I drink quite a few Irish craft beers which will also be affected by this puritanical nonsense.

Now, I am in Dublin City Centre every day and see alcoholics drinking on the steps of the Customs House and along the Quays all the time. I've yet to see them supping that particular brew.

If MUP is brought in I will simply stop buying any retail alcohol in this country, as I would imagine will anybody with an ounce of sense. A spin up to Newry once a year or every six months with a family member to buy a year's worth of drink will become the new norm.

I have never seen a stupider public health policy in all my life.

Oh wait, I have, those useless f**king flappy doors, which goes to show the staggering levels of stupefying incompetence involved with the people making these decisions.

Great beer alright

I'm definitely stocking up before this travesty comes in

Eunan McKinney lying on virgin media news that the price differential won't drive people over the border

€10 saving for the same bottle of whiskey makes shopping in the North a no brainer

KrustyUCC · 28-04-2021 05:13PM

PunkIPA wrote: »

Just another example:

The cheapest a 700ml bottle of 40% spirit can sell for is €28. Already, the likes of Jameson Crested and Black Bush can be got on sale for €25.

Again, not the favoured tipple of the average wino.

Those days will be gone. If the entry level expressions are selling for a minimum €28, the cheapest the more upmarket drams will be selling for is c.€35.

Anyone who thinks that MUP won't increase the price of their chosen tipple is, quite frankly, deluded, unless they are regularly swilling Dom or Dream Cask of a weekend.

The annual pilgrimage across the border will become an inevitable part of Irish life if this deranged lunacy goes ahead.

€22.09 for a bottle of whiskey

€31.56 for the cheapest litre of whiskey

That will drive prices in premium brands up alright

PunkIPA · 28-04-2021 05:18PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

€22.09 for a bottle of whiskey

€31.56 for the cheapest litre of whiskey

That will drive prices in premium brands up alright

Ah, my calculations were slightly off - I though a 1ml of alcohol had a mass of a 1g rather than 0.8g.

My point still stands!

KrustyUCC · 28-04-2021 05:21PM

PunkIPA wrote: »

Ah, my calculations were slightly off - I though a 1ml of alcohol had a mass of a 1g rather than 0.8g.

My point still stands!

Absolutely but you might get the examples you gave for €28-€30 on sale with bog standard whiskey at €22

Tony EH · 28-04-2021 05:26PM

Akesh wrote: »

We are a disgraceful nanny state. It's actually embarrassing. I don't know how the people of Ireland aren't calling out for direct democracy.

Vote for the same charlatans every year and expect different results. We get what we deserve.

It has fuck all to do with "nanny state". The people pushing this don't care about your health. They care about the money in your wallet.

They'll hide behind a plethora of of "caring" words and phrases and talk down to you saying "it's for your own good".

But it's the extra shillings they're interested in.

Thelonious Monk · 28-04-2021 06:42PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Minimum pricing has nothing to do with "health". It's price gouging, nothing more.

I don't even think it is, because it doesn't benefit government coffers. I think it's simply a case of no one putting a stop or standing up to the couple of Oireachtas members and the likes of those c*nts in AAI who are pushing this, and allowing them to carry on with their plan to stop everyone drinking or making us feel like f*cking children.
And why aren't radio presenters etc representing the public on this issue? It makes me so angry.
Spineless rats the lot of them.

dirkmeister · 28-04-2021 06:50PM

Terry Prachett had a great line about how you can push almost anything through once you tell the people it’s in the interests of “good”.

Imagine a journalist in Ireland that might bother doing a price check on just how “cheap” our alcohol really is?!?

Wouldn’t that be something.

28-04-2021 07:21PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I don't even think it is, because it doesn't benefit government coffers. I think it's simply a case of no one putting a stop or standing up to the couple of Oireachtas members and the likes of those c*nts in AAI who are pushing this, and allowing them to carry on with their plan to stop everyone drinking or making us feel like f*cking children.
And why aren't radio presenters etc representing the public on this issue? It makes me so angry.
Spineless rats the lot of them.

Oh I think you will look back in years to come and say to yourself, WTF ?

It's the price of off licenses booze for Christ sake.

You seem to be really agitated about it.

C*nts, rats, really ?

Thelonious Monk · 28-04-2021 07:25PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Oh I think you will look back in years to come and say to yourself, WTF ?

It's the price of off licenses booze for Christ sake.

You seem to be really agitated about it.

C*nts, rats, really ?

Yep, this kind of nannying over alcohol really annoys me, it's bad enough here with licencing hours and all of these things and now they're pandering to a few puritan nutjobs instead of listening to the vast majority of the population.

28-04-2021 07:37PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yep, this kind of nannying over alcohol really annoys me, it's bad enough here with licencing hours and all of these things and now they're pandering to a few puritan nutjobs instead of listening to the vast majority of the population.

While I tend to agree with you about the restriction of opening hours, the reversal of the 12:30am on a Thursday and the introduction of the 10pm for Off licenses in particular I would not have been as animated as yourself about it at the time and it doesn't really bother me now.

But I'm someone who did my drinking primarily in the 1990s

At the time pubs closed at either 11pm or 11.30pm depending on summer or winter
There were no late bars and night clubs only opened till 1am I believe

Also a can of off license beer was approx. IR£1 or more and there was no 20 bottle or can box deals available.

So with weekend bars opening till at least 12:30 and a plethora of late bars to chose from and the fact that off license drink is "relatively" cheaper than it was 25 years ago, things has actually improved a great deal.

Mimon · 28-04-2021 07:56PM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Excuse the rant but
So they want to bring in MUP.
More taxes coming in people next year to pay for covid.
Ban firewood and irish briquettes.
Increase the cost of flying abroad significantly for a holiday.
Change direct provision process to enable to spend billions of taxpayers money to bring in
1000s if not 10000s of migrants from outside the EU and house them at the taxpayers expense.
Anything else I'm missing.
I suppose increase the pension age to 80 next.
They tell us it's good our mental health being busy.
Jesus the one thing I have after working my arse off all week.
A drink on a Sunday evening.
Cant even have that.

Get your point about the nanny state stuff in general but can't agree with a lot of your other points.

Bit too right wing on the refugee bashing and don't see the problem with saving the remaining bogs that we have for a myriad of reasons.

This minimum pricing stuff alone is enough to ensure that I won't vote for FF or FG in the next election.

Muahahaha · 28-04-2021 08:59PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Gonna really start stepping up my home brew game, been solely doing wine for a while but definitely moving into beer when im not using the equipment for wine.

Yeah likewise, used to brew a few years back and will likely go back to it, I can see a bit of a boom in homebrewing when people realise you can make really good beer for just 50c a pint. Its also likely MUP turn into a double whammy for the craft brewing industry as their retail prices rise while simultaneously people see homebrewers making beers just as good for a fraction of the cost of craft beers in the supermarkets.

Big Gerry wrote: »

When minimum pricing comes in I can see the black market for drink taking off like a rocket.

Yeah can definitely see a black market emerging pretty quickly. Revenue already admit that around 25% of all tobacco sales in Ireland are through the black market. Its a relatively new phenomenon brought about because of a decade of annual price rises on cigarettes that far outstrip the level of inflation. Theres a wide network across the country already selling cigarettes door to door, people put in their orders on Whatsapp and its delivered weekly. That same network is already well positioned to move into alcohol now too. I can also see criminal gangs setting up mobile distilleries in truck trailers, moving them about to avoid detection. Polish community are also likely to get into distillation too.

28-04-2021 09:02PM

10 years ago illegal distilleries started popping up around the border. It'll be happening again if 20+ quid is the cheapest bottle of **** vodka available legally.

elperello · 28-04-2021 09:09PM

Mimon wrote: »

Get your point about the nanny state stuff in general but can't agree with a lot of your other points.

Bit too right wing on the refugee bashing and don't see the problem with saving the remaining bogs that we have for a myriad of reasons.

This minimum pricing stuff alone is enough to ensure that I won't vote for FF or FG in the next election.

Worth noting that no party voted against this in Dail or Senate.

The only politician who spoke out against it was Prof. Sean Barrett when he was a Senator.

Being an economist he saw immediately that the money will be going to the drinks trade.

Atlantic Dawn · 28-04-2021 09:37PM

FF clown being schooled now on Tonight Show on VM1.

Reputable Rog · 28-04-2021 09:41PM

A lot of unrest at the Blueshirt PP meeting tonight over MUP.
Varadamir says nothing is agreed, only Frank Feighan spoke in favour.
I don’t think it will happen anytime soon, all depends on what nut job replaces Snarlene though.

Atlantic Dawn · 28-04-2021 09:45PM

FF clown mentions that there is no heavy volumes of traffic crossing the border to buy cheaper tobacco up North, eh that might be because cigarettes are dearer up north than here, bloody idiot...

€14.20
https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/Product/Details/?id=252173783

€15.28/£13.30
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/295664413

KrustyUCC · 28-04-2021 09:53PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

A lot of unrest at the Blueshirt PP meeting tonight over MUP.
Varadamir says nothing is agreed, only Frank Feighan spoke in favour.
I don’t think it will happen anytime soon, all depends on what nut job replaces Snarlene though.

Good

Leo's a big fan of MUP so I doubt it will get changed at this stage

Still nice the bleeding obvious about cross border trade being pointed out along with breaking the program for government

KrustyUCC · 28-04-2021 09:54PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

FF clown mentions that there is no heavy volumes of traffic crossing the border to buy cheaper tobacco up North, eh that might be because cigarettes are dearer up north than here, bloody idiot...

€14.20
https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/Product/Details/?id=252173783

€15.28/£13.30
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/295664413

Who from FF was trying to defend it?

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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