Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 27-04-2021 10:35PM

The Big Easy wrote: »

Of the kind of catastrophic outcome that justifies emergency laws and the restriction of civil liberties that are fundamental to any kind of meaningful human life.

Er ok but what has that long list of emotive adjectives got to do with 'anti vaccers"?

Asking for a friend ..

Ha Long Bay · 27-04-2021 10:35PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A vulnerable population more than 3 times more populated than Ireland’s

Thus about 3 times Ireland’s death rate

As David McWilliams said recently, it’s very easy for Ireland to keep its Covid death rate low as most of its elderly citizens lived, worked and died in the UK due to Ireland’s lack of opportunities in the 1950s - 1990s

How is Portugal 3 times more populated than Ireland?

FintanMcluskey · 27-04-2021 10:39PM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

How is Portugal 3 times more populated than Ireland?

Vulnerable population (over 65 ) has about 2.2 million citizens

27-04-2021 10:49PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

WTAF
(from the Telegraph)

Just a few days ago they were saying the UK is officially out of the pandemic..... yet it seems long term restrictions at least are getting worse ...

This has me absolutely GOBSMACKED

Imagine the type of authoritarian little thug that would apply for a "Covid Marshal" job.

Just look at the description for the job...

although at least they don't have enforcement powers... So we have the Australian govt admitting they won't open the border even when 100% of the population are vaccinated, and now this authoritarian little jackboot thugs that will be working in Britain until 2023.

What is going on ?

Why are restrictions going to be worse than summer 2020 ?

If I am a conspiracy theorist tell me why , the above is true , it's all here ..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/27/june-21-wont-much-return-normal-thought/

The vast majority are accepting these restrictions with open arms. If the Government can get away with it, why would they actually make it hard on themselves and make a tough decision and take any risks?

Our population are as weak as a two year old pigeon with a clipped wing, no wonder they feel they can do whatever they want.

Ha Long Bay · 27-04-2021 10:53PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Vulnerable population (over 65 ) has about 2.2 million citizens

Do you believe only people over 65 are vulnerable? There is a reason the vaccine rollout is targeting group 4 and 7 here.

TheDoctor · 27-04-2021 10:57PM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Do you believe only people over 65 are vulnerable? There is a reason the vaccine rollout is targeting group 4 and 7 here.

92% of Covid deaths in Ireland are over 65. So would seem like the at risk age group.

Slide 28

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_Slidset_HPSC_%20Week_15_WEB.pdf

FintanMcluskey · 27-04-2021 10:58PM

Ha Long Bay wrote: »

Do you believe only people over 65 are vulnerable? There is a reason the vaccine rollout is targeting group 4 and 7 here.

For deaths yes

Something like 95% of deaths occur in the over 65 age category

I was initially responding to a poster who was pleading with people to consider Portugal’s death rate now that they are moving on with life

I was making the point Ireland’s death rate is worse

gozunda · 27-04-2021 10:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Vulnerable population (over 65 ) has about 2.2 million citizens

Ok but the original poster seemed to be under the impression that Portugal and Ireland were fairly similar with regard to covid stats.

Do you mean that Portugal should need to be even more mindful of its vulnerable population? I think someone said they've only given about the same number of first dose vaccines as we have ...

ypres5 · 27-04-2021 11:03PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

WTAF
(from the Telegraph)

Just a few days ago they were saying the UK is officially out of the pandemic..... yet it seems long term restrictions at least are getting worse ...

This has me absolutely GOBSMACKED

Imagine the type of authoritarian little thug that would apply for a "Covid Marshal" job.

Just look at the description for the job...

although at least they don't have enforcement powers... So we have the Australian govt admitting they won't open the border even when 100% of the population are vaccinated, and now this authoritarian little jackboot thugs that will be working in Britain until 2023.

What is going on ?

Why are restrictions going to be worse than summer 2020 ?

If I am a conspiracy theorist tell me why , the above is true , it's all here ..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/27/june-21-wont-much-return-normal-thought/

There's a few on here who'd love to get their covid marshall uniform and the sense of self importance that'd go along with it.

Micky 32 · 27-04-2021 11:05PM

ypres5 wrote: »

There's a few on here who'd love to get their covid marshall uniform and the sense of self importance that'd go along with it.

Lets hope they would be thick skinned. Because if they don’t have enforcement powers they’ll be hearing the words “ f***k off” quite a bit especially from vaccinated people.

:pac:

gozunda · 27-04-2021 11:06PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

For deaths yes Something like 95% of deaths occur in the over 65 age category

I was initially responding to a poster who was pleading with people to consider Portugal’s death rate now that they are moving on with life

I was making the point Ireland’s death rate is worse

"Pleading"? The below comment is simply a statement of fact regarding case numbers and deaths

Ok If you wish to nit pick then so be it - but

A similar infection rate to us?

Portugal, with just over 10 million people, has reported a total of 16,970 deaths. The total number of coronavirus cases is 834,991,

We've had a total of 4,884 deaths and 247,489 coronavirus cases. Our population is 4.9 million.

How is Ireland’s "death rate" worse? I think you're being somewhat disingenuous there tbh.

MOR316 · 27-04-2021 11:06PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Lets hope they would be thick skinned. Because if they don’t have enforcement powers they’ll be hearing the words “ f***k off” quite a bit :pac:

The Gareth Keenans of the world

"I'm assistant Chief Medical Officer"
"Assistant to the Chief Medical Officer"

scamalert · 27-04-2021 11:13PM

ypres5 wrote: »

There's a few on here who'd love to get their covid marshall uniform and the sense of self importance that'd go along with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XnJwcBpVo

:pac:

JRant · 27-04-2021 11:16PM

Aph2016 wrote: »

I don't have the words for the level of frustration and anger I have towards the restrictions. I haven't seen a rational argument recently for keeping the restrictions at the current level.

Here's the reason https://t.co/PDeCvLYpwc?amp=1

Nolan and his motley crew of modelling mathematical marvels put this abomination together and actually presented it to government. And even more incredibly, the government didn't take one look at it and throw it straight into the bin.

They predict in the region of 250,000 to 700,000 by late July, despite having 80% of the adult population vaccinated. They also say that the if containment easing (that's the fancy word for lockdown) is delayed for 8 weeks the results are markedly different. Those 8 weeks just happens to get us to the end of May. So, don't expect too much on Thursday as a lot of the restrictions will be back loaded towards the end of the month.

Oh, and do laugh at the absolute shambles of a report and the way the graphs are presented. It's almost like this wasn't put together by the combined might of Irish universities mathematics prodigies.

gozunda · 27-04-2021 11:19PM

ypres5 wrote: »

There's a few on here who'd love to get their covid marshall uniform and the sense of self importance that'd go along with it.

Hmmm I reckon the boot would be firmly on the other foot given half a chance. "Uniform and self importance" etc

One poster here reckoned that those following restrictions were the "weak-minded" who need others to tell them what to think and what to do...

Tbh that sounds like a soundbite straight out of Mein Kampf...

The Big Easy · 27-04-2021 11:21PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Oh everyone's vaccinated now? Nobody told me!

The majority of people who are actually at risk of mortality from this virus, yes.

I worry that people's risk maps have been altered beyond any reasonableness. Life was, has, and always will be precarious.

I hope this paralysis of fear is not a permanent condition and people will recover quickly.

Penfailed · 27-04-2021 11:23PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Genuinely.....

Why would you make a comment about everyone being vaccinated?

What has that got to do with removing restrictions?

Do you actually think the virus is a threat to 100% of the population?

Because we will never, ever, ever get 100% of the population vaccinated for a variety of reasons.

The vast majority of people that this virus could kill have now got at least one dose of a vaccine which offers huge protection. The vast majority of essential healthcare workers have been vaccinated so we are not going to have weak links in our healthcare personnel numbers smashed.

I posted it in response to someone saying that vaccinations are a mitigation measure. That's true. More people need to be vaccinated to be useful though.

ypres5 · 27-04-2021 11:35PM

gozunda wrote: »

Hmmm I reckon the boot would be firmly on the other foot given half a chance. "Uniform and self importance" etc

One poster here reckoned that those following restrictions were the "weak-minded" who need others to tell them what to think and what to do...

Tbh that sounds like a soundbite straight out of Mein Kampf...

How would it work if the boot was on the other foot? Would there be einsatzgruppen prowling the streets dragging people into pubs? How do you enforce no rules?

MOR316 · 27-04-2021 11:43PM

JRant wrote: »

Here's the reason https://t.co/PDeCvLYpwc?amp=1

Nolan and his motley crew of modelling mathematical marvels put this abomination together and actually presented it to government. And even more incredibly, the government didn't take one look at it and throw it straight into the bin.

They predict in the region of 250,000 to 700,000 by late July, despite having 80% of the adult population vaccinated. They also say that the if containment easing (that's the fancy word for lockdown) is delayed for 8 weeks the results are markedly different. Those 8 weeks just happens to get us to the end of May. So, don't expect too much on Thursday as a lot of the restrictions will be back loaded towards the end of the month.

Oh, and do laugh at the absolute shambles of a report and the way the graphs are presented. It's almost like this wasn't put together by the combined might of Irish universities mathematics prodigies.

Question...

He's not qualified to do that...Why is he doing it?

JRant · 27-04-2021 11:58PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Question...

He's not qualified to do that...Why is he doing it?

Who do you mean?

gozunda · 28-04-2021 12:01AM

ypres5 wrote: »

How would it work if the boot was on the other foot? Would there be einsatzgruppen prowling the streets dragging people into pubs? How do you enforce no rules?

I dunno - it wasn't myself who suggested about the 'weak minded"

Though I believe you were pushing the idea of importance and uniform in a previous comment.

That said the howls of the most vocal covid sceptics are already blaming everyone they don't agree with for being responsible for ruining their lives and that all restrictions will be permanent or wtte if they don't rise up & etc

MOR316 · 28-04-2021 12:17AM

JRant wrote: »

Who do you mean?

Philip Nolan...

He has no prior experience, qualifications or training in pandemic or epidemiology modelling...
How is he in the position he's in? Why is he in the position he's in?

ypres5 · 28-04-2021 01:18AM

gozunda wrote: »

I dunno - it wasn't myself who suggested about the 'weak minded"

Though I believe you were pushing the idea of importance and uniform in a previous comment.

That said the howls of the most vocal covid sceptics are already blaming everyone they don't agree with for being responsible for ruining their lives and that all restrictions will be permanent or wtte if they don't rise up & etc

I didn't call anyone weak minded either so why bring it up in a response to me? And what does that person's post have to do with my own? More baseless rambling

Coillte_Bhoy · 28-04-2021 06:08AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Well try to keep up with the news then.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

One million mark would’ve been easily passed by now.

Vaccines administered, 'vaccinations' which is what you posted, big difference

Coillte_Bhoy · 28-04-2021 06:09AM

growleaves wrote: »

We've had three lockdowns totalling 9 months over the previous 13 months.

Ah come on, Yes certain activities and businesses but not the 'entire country'.

NIMAN · 28-04-2021 06:14AM

Doesn't the North open non-essential retail this Friday?

The borders will be busy!

gozunda · 28-04-2021 06:23AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I didn't call anyone weak minded either so why bring it up in a response to me? And what does that person's post have to do with my own? More baseless rambling

Whats the expression? - "different animal same stable?. I'd say it's more bs attacking those who you don't agree with because apparently they'd "love to get their covid marshall uniform and the sense of self importance that'd go along with it"...

But as you say "more baseless rambling" ..

Dempo1 · 28-04-2021 06:33AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

Traffic wardens about to loose their no.1 spot on the most hated list!!

I thought clampers had the No 1 spot, I'm terribly misinformed

Penfailed · 28-04-2021 06:39AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Doesn't the North open non-essential retail this Friday?

The borders will be busy!

Yep!

Sobit1964 · 28-04-2021 07:14AM

gozunda wrote: »

Whats the expression? - "different animal same stable?. I'd say it's more bs attacking those who you don't agree with because apparently they'd "love to get their covid marshall uniform and the sense of self importance that'd go along with it"...

But as you say "more baseless rambling" ..

Why does the uniforms bit trigger you so much? Is it a case of the contrarian doth protest too much?

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings