Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Beanybabog wrote: »

So what does that mean if 60+ refuse it? I have a very vaccine hesitant relative who decided not to register when they were saying AZ only or back to the queue. I am really hoping there’s a chance she can get one of the other 3, she’ll take them (not happily! but will suck up)

Should still register either way. If not registered they aren't on the HSEs radar.

It's still not going to be a choice, a vaccine will be assigned

Miike wrote: »

Do you know what the identified VOC mutations actually do/change? Serious question, not being facetious. There's a reason why highly educated people are anxious about these VOCs, I wouldn't be so quick to down play them but equally I wouldn't sit trembling at my desk over them either. I would suggest being less polarizing and being a bit more measured.

Yes Mike .
Thanks .

The subject of variant of concerns ( vocs) is going to follow us because it is as yet an unknown how long our vaccines will provide immunity against them
Variants of concern can infect those not vaccinated and undermine the effectivity of the vaccines , most of which have so far been shown both to prevent transmission and to reduce severe illness and death , but less so in the presence of some variants, and as yet little real world evidence to say otherwise .
Also infection of those vaccinated can occur to a lesser degree and this may cause spread among those with less effective immune systems and the immunocompromised, the very people we need to protect fully .

Nobody trembling on their keyboard here but if this is a vaccine thread the subject needs to be considered .

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Should still register either way. If not registered they aren't on the HSEs radar.

It's still not going to be a choice, a vaccine will be assigned

If Pfizer is going to be used on them, they might as well wait until cohort 4 and 7 are done and the chance of getting Pfizer goes up. ATM, if they register and get an appointment, it's guaranteed to be AZ, that might be the case after 4 and 7 are done with.

is_that_so wrote: »

No, not a bit. I gave you some facts in that post. I just asked you for more evidence from these other voices. You're not obliged to give me any just as I'm not obliged to accept your claim. Best to leave it there I'd say.

Ah no . You didn't ask for " facts " .
You were totally dismissive and reactive using the word " scariant."
Was that not designed to wind me up ? :pac:

Yes , now , we will leave it there .

Zipppy wrote: »

Are cohorts 4 & & getting Pfizer?

Not all.

Over 60s in the groups getting AZ

Full rundown here

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout/rollout.html

Zipppy wrote: »

Surely this will change to over 50s after todays announcement?

Could do.

Up to the HSE depending on supply etc

If a variant get labelled variant of high consequence then we know we've got a problem. Scariant may actually be appropriate in that circumstance.

damien89 wrote: »

What's really annoying for me, is I couldn't get a Covid test in January as I had no symptoms.I for sure had it as my wife was mildly sick and tested positive as did my 9 year old test positive who had head cold symptoms, our 3 year old didn't have any symptoms.

It's a bit unfair that I now have to get two doses and won't be able to travel, when I probably have immunity anyway.

Alot of people will have been exposed like me and have been asymptomatic or have natural immunity, it's a pity we can't get antibody or T Cell test for Covid to prove one dose is enough for us

I think proof of exposure to Covid ( close contact txt from HSE ) and being asymptomatic should qualify under 50's like me to recieve one dose.

A lot of people would be in that category both after Christmas and from earlier in the pandemic.
I and a lot of my colleagues were sick with " the worst flu ever " in February 2020 but no testing available at that time , until we were coming back to work , some of us a month later, thus testing negative
We still got 2doses of the vaccines . Glad to get it so didn't ask any questions , at work anyhow .
Should have had antibody levels done really but no facility through work and it got put on the long finger.
You have a choice not to get a second dose .
But how wise is it to make that choice ?
But are you 100% sure you have enough immunity or that you even had it , without getting antibody levels checked ?
And how are you going to make this official without a statement from the HSE saying you have had the infection and so are ok with one dose of the vaccine ?
Where will that leave you as regards a vaccine certificate if you and your family need one to travel ?
Not getting at you personally , just using your case as an example .

titan18 wrote: »

If Pfizer is going to be used on them, they might as well wait until cohort 4 and 7 are done and the chance of getting Pfizer goes up. ATM, if they register and get an appointment, it's guaranteed to be AZ, that might be the case after 4 and 7 are done with.

I don’t think the chance of getting Pfizer will go up once Cohort 4 & 7 are done though. It’ll be prioritised for everyone under 50 because there’s no other vaccine for them. The overwhelming majority of over 50s are probably going to be getting AZ or J&J no matter what. The way I see it going is as much AZ and J&J get used up on over 50s and the leftovers get donated to other countries. The age restrictions might be lowered at some point but there’s no guarantee.

Strazdas wrote: »

Well, Donnelly's quote on the TV news was "The fact that all the vaccines have been cleared for everyone from 50 up means we can keep going at pace". He made it clear here that he was speaking about the four vaccines.

being cleared doesn't mean they'll be used. it's now highly likely over 50s will receive either J&J or AZ

Strazdas wrote: »

But there surely can't be enough AZ and J & J doses available to vaccinate 600,000 people aged in their fifties? We haven't even given 600k AZ doses to the entire Irish population in 2021 (I think it's only in the region of 300k so far).

You either give them AZ and J&J or wait until Pfizer comes through and leave AZ and J&J unused. Either results in a delay.

Strazdas wrote: »

But AZ can still be accounted for with all the second doses needed in coming months.

I'm not sure what that means tbh. Giving over 50s Pfizer/Moderna leaves AZ and J&J unused. There's more arriving than it will take to do second doses of AZ.

Marine Layer wrote: »

This Angers me
So they are going to give the vaccines with the highest effacacy to the youngest,less risk healthy population and leave most 50 to 69yr olds with a less efficacatious vaccine
Marvelous thinking... :mad:

All of the vaccines are highly effective at preventing death/severe disease. This is what we're after.

I think the pancoronavirus N protein generation of vaccines will be the ones that give us the zero covid dream (totally personal opinion)