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Nvidia RTX Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭harmless


    minitrue wrote: »
    Ethereum is far more relevant to the gpu situation, it's down about 11% from it's peak on Friday but still higher than anything seen before April 13th and has also recovered about 7% from it's low yesterday. I'd guess it needs to drop a third or a half or probably more from where it is now to have enough gpu miners dropping cards to make any noticeable impact on the gpu market.


    Although it is impossible to predict, when EIP 1559 comes in to place in July miners will probably earn 1/3 less Ethereum from mining. But it will also make the coin more scarce so this could drive the price up and mining may stay very profitable.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,245 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Giblet wrote: »
    That's not how it works. It doesn't matter how much it's worth, just the percentage and market cap. Both of which are high. If you invested €100 euro in January, you'd have nearly 8,000 by now (7,908% YTD). If you invested 10k last week, you would have 70k now (600% WTD). Percentages man! The amount in circulation means taking that money out wouldn't affect the price too much either.

    True but you were a brave soul to invest in it the last few months. It was going no where. That or you got licmy buying it for the lolz. I doubt it's anything more than a blip with investors looking for another crypto when bitcoin and ethereum are looking shaky. Ethereum is usually only just behind the Bitcoin trend and will look shaky to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Lower BTC can also benefit GPU miners, if the Ethereum price remains high. You get paid in BTC, but mine ETH, so if BTC drops and ETH doesn't, you get more BTC. If the price goes back up, happy days!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭harmless


    Giblet wrote: »
    Lower BTC can also benefit GPU miners, if the Ethereum price remains high. You get paid in BTC, but mine ETH, so if BTC drops and ETH doesn't, you get more BTC. If the price goes back up, happy days!


    You only get paid in BTC on platforms that take a big cut though.
    It's far better to mine of one of the major Ethereum pools.

    With all the changes Ethereum have planned in the future I can see it deviating(could be good or bad) more from the BTC price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Yeah. I looked up the doge coin value as well since it had jumped so much but its worth so little that a massive percentage jump still means it's worthless :D

    But all Crypto are inherently worthless, technically speaking,as you always need to exchange them with something else, pretty much like fiches in a Casino, and their exchange rate is so utterly volatile that you can't really hold any for very long.

    If anything, the "joke" nature of Dogecoin manages to fully expose the the whole Cryptocurrency market as very little more than gambling, where the value of so-called "assets" is heavily influenced by things such as Twitter posts by celebrities and egomaniacs.

    Anyway, I find it utterly sad that this bullsh1t about "crypto" appears more and more in a forums that are supposed to be about computer hardware as a hobby :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    Anyway, I find it utterly sad that this bullsh1t about "crypto" appears more and more in a forums that are supposed to be about computer hardware as a hobby :(

    Yeah the crypto shíte taking over every thread after it gets mentioned is a pain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Calibos


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    But all Crypto are inherently worthless, technically speaking,as you always need to exchange them with something else, pretty much like fiches in a Casino, and their exchange rate is so utterly volatile that you can't really hold any for very long.

    If anything, the "joke" nature of Dogecoin manages to fully expose the the whole Cryptocurrency market as very little more than gambling, where the value of so-called "assets" is heavily influenced by things such as Twitter posts by celebrities and egomaniacs.

    Anyway, I find it utterly sad that this bullsh1t about "crypto" appears more and more in a forums that are supposed to be about computer hardware as a hobby :(

    I managed to ngaf about it for nearly a decade. Glad I never got into it at the beginning because I'm the kind of person that still thinks of and regrets unimportant things I did or said decades ago. I can't imagine what I'd feel like if I bought 100 Bitcoins in 2011 for €100 and spent it on Domino's Pizza ('Worth' nearly 6 Million Euro at its peak) Its paradoxical really. Bitcoin is just a giant Ponzi scheme if its not actually used as a currency but the people who actually 'used' it as intended in the early days are all likely experiencing various degrees of regret. :D

    That said, I'm paying attention to it now because its one of the reasons GPU prices are so high and so hard to come buy. I've managed to get my hands on a RTX3090 in a prebuilt only 3 weeks after ordering but paid a hefty Premium (though not outright scalper prices). The old adage, "If you can't beat them, then join them", now has me researching Crypto-Mining to help pay off the high price of this PC. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    I'm shifting my discussion and questions about from here away to the relevant forums on boards and reddit because I can see and totally understand why many don't want to hear it. Laughed when a Regular poster over on the Crypto forum was warned not to post about some mining rigs he was selling over here as he'd likely get eaten alive :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Cancelled :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Willbbz


    Cancelled :(

    Same. What a pain :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭viperlogic


    Same. MSI canceling that particular card it appears from some threads online


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭harmless


    viperlogic wrote: »
    Same. MSI canceling that particular card it appears from some threads online

    harmless wrote: »
    MSI have canceled production of the gaming x trio and replaced it with the gaming z trio.
    The only difference is the z has a metal back plate and likely a more appropriate price for the current market.

    This will force retailers to cancel all pre-orders on the x that were ordered at a lower price.
    MSI have some good engineers working for them but some real scumbags in the sales and marketing departments.

    GDDR6 runs hot, the metal backplate is a good idea but if there wasn't the current shortage it would be a free upgrade rather than something that is considered a new product.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    DLSS now on warzone. Should help anyone trying to eeek more frames.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    errlloyd wrote: »
    DLSS now on warzone. Should help anyone trying to eeek more frames.

    Warzones dynamic resolution setting worked great for that already. Make sure the gpu is set to handle any scaling as well rather than the monitor.

    Great tech and barely noticeable that it's running at a lower resolution at times. I'm sure DLSS will make that even better.

    No amount of fps is going to make up for warzones issues though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    There was a drop this morning apparently. Anyone here with access to Scan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    They had a 6700xt on Scan which I was able to buy... but I didn't want to. It was near 700 euro, and that's without import fees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Screw that. Your only hope of getting something close to MSRP is directly buying from AMD.

    AMD's new cards aren't great for mining though right? Last gen radeon 7's outperform them significantly.

    The supply issues should be nowhere near as bad for those cards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000


    Ya HBM on the Radeon 7 and the fact it's architecture is based on the same architecture as compute GPUs make it a tank for crypto.

    I guess that there just isn't enough AMD cards being made because of TSMC running at max capacity. Pretty sure their percentage GPU market share of this generation cards was wayyyy lower than Nvidias according to steam hardware survey and most of those GPUs should be belonging to gamers because as you said, they're kinda crap for mining


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Aodhan5000 wrote: »
    Ya HBM on the Radeon 7 and the fact it's architecture is based on the same architecture as compute GPUs make it a tank for crypto.

    I guess that there just isn't enough AMD cards being made because of TSMC running at max capacity. Pretty sure their percentage GPU market share of this generation cards was wayyyy lower than Nvidias according to steam hardware survey and most of those GPUs should be belonging to gamers because as you said, they're kinda crap for mining

    Great news for people looking to offload their old radeon 7's.

    Must be selling for at least a grand each.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Mining is now more profitable than ever. 12-15 euro a day on a 3090 ffs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Revoker88


    Bus size has a lot to do with hash rate aswell doesn't it?

    The cache setup in RDNA 2 memory allowed them to go with a smaller bus which impacts mining but not gaming which is fine because of the cache. Also allowed them to compete on price.

    Nvidia went with the traditional wider bus,giving better performance in mining and same performance in gaming


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    According to the screenshot, this particular GeForce RTX 3080 Ti sample would offer an ETH mining hash rate of 118.9 Mh/s. That’s a lot. But this is also after optimizations (we can see that the TDP is reduced to 278W and the memory clock is 21.4 Gbps). Such a mining performance would certainly not go unnoticed by miners. After all, literally, the first performance leak of RTX 3080 Ti features mining performance. It just proves how big of a problem it has become.
    https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-tis-ga102-225-gpu-pictured-and-specifications-leaked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Luck100




  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Giblet wrote: »
    Mining is now more profitable than ever. 12-15 euro a day on a 3090 ffs!

    Thanks for reminding me. I've been playing a lot of KCD recently and totally forgot to mine while I'm not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Giblet wrote: »
    Mining is now more profitable than ever. 12-15 euro a day on a 3090 ffs!

    Remember last week you were helping me calculate and it was 'only' €8.50 Net. :D

    Was expecting my PCSpecialist PC with its 3090 today but FEDEX were no shows. Can't really start mining till next week though as I'm waiting for a Vertical GPU mount before I commission the PC with all the extras I bought for it from OCUK. AMazon delivered my 12.8w/mk Thermalright 0.5, 1 & 2mm Thermal Pads today though. So this day next week should have the card and PC fully up and running and without Memory Junction temps at eye-watering levels.

    I'll miss out on nearly €100 in mining profits in that week though!! :mad::mad: LOL ;):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭harmless


    Calibos wrote: »

    I'll miss out on nearly €100 in mining profits in that week though!! :mad::mad: LOL ;):D

    Don't worry about the fiat price, it's down 12% since this time yesterday bringing it back to where it was on Wednesday.
    My goal is no longer a dollar value I just want 1 Eth, I'm at 0.65 since mid January.

    I plan to hold for a few years. Eth has many changes planned in the coming years it will make or break it. I think it's worth the gamble.
    If you're doing it short term then cashing out early is fine. Also if you don't like what Eth has planned look into other coins and exchange the Eth you mine for that. There are thousands of coins and probably only room for a small number to be successful long term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    I wonder what the heck are nVidia thinking, seriously - on one side, they shout "oooh sorry the market is fcucked up, see we have no chips!"; On the other, they add more SKUs to the lineup, further thinning up the supply; The 3080Ti seems to be more than a rumor - and they announced a new line of Ampere "Quadro" cards (which drop the name "Quadro" and are just called RTX A4000, A5000 and A6000), after they swore left, right and centre they were not gonna make these.

    I mean - I'm personally happy about the "Quadro" as a pair of A4000s or a single A5000 might serve my specific use cases (mostly rendering, occasional gaming) just as well as a 3080/3090, but come on...I can't be the only one applying logic to this? Thinking "how in hell are they gonna build even more SKUs if they don't have the chips?" :eek::confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Luck100


    Let's see where it's at when the next batches of cards with the mining limiters arrive. Miners generally seem to be ok with paying up to 6-8 months worth of mining profits for a card. The cards will still be in demand for mining, but I would expect the premiums to go down a bit (assuming sufficient supply).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    My prayers are towards a crypto collapse which will bring a long overdue ending to this abomination.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭harmless


    Cordell wrote: »
    My prayers are towards a crypto collapse which will bring a long overdue ending to this abomination.
    I've been praying for a crash for months as I want to buy in to some of the coins that will be moving to proof of stake, I hate the idea of so much wasted energy.

    Unfortunately I don't think anything can really increase GPU supply for gamers in the short term, the best that can be hoped for is lower scalper prices.
    If Antminer E9 is really that good it will be selling for well above RRP and will be out of stock just like GPUs so companies and people will still want GPUs for mining.


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