Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2020/21- Mod Notes #1

Rossi IRL · 19-04-2021 12:26AM

Posted in the other thread thinking it was this thread.

Totally against this, especially if United get kicked out of the domestic league.

All the new money will go to the Glaziers as there will be no reason to invest.

If we get removed from the domestic league then that means the end of the u21s and u18s teams and bringing through academy players which to me is the complete backbone to the club and its history.

I'm so angry at this news and I will be done with United if the FA decide to kick the teams out of the domestic leagues/cups.

The Glazers and Woodward ruining everything

bassy · 19-04-2021 12:27AM

will never happen if the fa and uefa have any back bone..................................................

wanderer100 · 19-04-2021 12:28AM

https://twitter.com/ManUnitedZone_/status/1383923985759408134?s=20

Cypher_sounds · 19-04-2021 12:30AM

Pity, this could get ugly. Ole seems like a decent guy, can see him walking away from all of this after his hard work getting us to el semis.

Whatsisname · 19-04-2021 12:30AM

****in hell.

Lucas Hood · 19-04-2021 12:39AM

wanderer100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ManUnitedZone_/status/1383923985759408134?s=20

Not true

https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1383927881110228994?s=19

nullzero · 19-04-2021 12:42AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Not true

https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1383927881110228994?s=19

Not yet anyway.

Lucas Hood · 19-04-2021 12:51AM

nullzero wrote: »

Not yet anyway.

I'm not sure why uefa would suspend them, TV stations have paid a lot of money to show those games, advertisers have paid a lot of money to the TV stations to be shown during the broadcast of those games. If games don't go ahead presumably there are penalties.

nullzero · 19-04-2021 12:58AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I'm not sure why uefa would suspend them, TV stations have paid a lot of money to show those games, advertisers have paid a lot of money to the TV stations to be shown during the broadcast of those games. If games don't go ahead presumably there are penalties.

I think we're all kind of hoping some grand gesture will arrive condemning this in the strongest terms possible.

Louis Friend · 19-04-2021 01:14AM

How much of the Champions League trickles down to other clubs?

Gary Neville was ranting and raving about “the pyramid” but the six clubs are proposing to stay in the Premier League.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s cynical opportunism, but are UEFA the good guys?

GSPfan · 19-04-2021 02:02AM

Louis Friend wrote: »

How much of the Champions League trickles down to other clubs?

Gary Neville was ranting and raving about “the pyramid” but the six clubs are proposing to stay in the Premier League.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s cynical opportunism, but are UEFA the good guys?

I really like Gary Neville but his views are compromised due to his ownership of a football league club and his employment with Sky.

In saying that.... football has been heavily influenced by money in the last 40 years and it has exaggerated problems with competitive fairness. But, it has never eliminated the chances of any club to go from non-league to Champions League. This Super League format stops that.

larchielads · 19-04-2021 05:09AM

Louis Friend wrote: »

How much of the Champions League trickles down to other clubs?

Gary Neville was ranting and raving about “the pyramid” but the six clubs are proposing to stay in the Premier League.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s cynical opportunism, but are UEFA the good guys?

Whats the point in them stayin in prem league when all they have to do is not get relegated from it, and just finish high enough to keep earnin a few bob cos theres no point in tryin to win it cos their aint not champs league to play in and sure what if they do get relegated, they still have the the super duper money league to save em.

And another thing when they have a super duper league fixture between real, barca etc on a tues or wed nite theyre gonna start restin their big players for that fixture on the Saturday , sunday games and poor old joe shmoe still gonna have to cough up a fortune to watch man utd reserves get trounced by jamie vardy and leicester or bamford and leeds.

No thanks

Mr.Crinklewood · 19-04-2021 06:26AM

Ferguson:-

“I’m not sure [if] Manchester United are involved in this, as I am not part of the decision making process,” he added.

“Talk of a Super League is a move away from 70 years of European club football. Both as a player for a provincial team Dunfermline in the 60s and as a manager at Aberdeen winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup, for a small provincial club in Scotland it was like climbing Mount Everest,”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-european-super-league-20413650.amp

Van.Bosch · 19-04-2021 07:20AM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Ferguson:-

“I’m not sure [if] Manchester United are involved in this, as I am not part of the decision making process,” he added.

“Talk of a Super League is a move away from 70 years of European club football. Both as a player for a provincial team Dunfermline in the 60s and as a manager at Aberdeen winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup, for a small provincial club in Scotland it was like climbing Mount Everest,”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-european-super-league-20413650.amp

Will be interesting to see if he stays silent after he learns Utd “are part of it”, very much part of it actually!

Lord TSC · 19-04-2021 07:29AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if he stays silent after he learns Utd “are part of it”, very much part of it actually!

I’m fascinated to see what the reactions of players and managers are today.

Do any come out against this? Does any of the big name managers walk? Klopp is on record as being against this. Does he stick to that and resign? Do any players threaten to strike, based on the fact they haven’t signed up for it? Based on the fact their international careers are being threatened.

Or do they all stay quite, every player over 12 teams, and look forward to a bigger pay cheque....

paulbok · 19-04-2021 07:32AM

I doubt the FA /UEFA will do anything to the clubs until the season is over, it'd effect existing tv/sponsorship deals too much and raise all kinds of legal challenges.
I can see this affecting player recruitment for the clubs involved. A lot of top players will be fine with it, more cash for them and their agents, but some may think twice about joining if they get banned from international competition. Certainly they'll insist on exit clauses in the event of sh1t happening
Inversely, will clubs look to beef up their teams and stock up on players ahead of the move? Haven't gone through the details of the proposal but if there are any caps in spending etc, they may look to be in strong position to start with. Those clubs with aims to go on and win it that is, our shower of leeches will just do enough to keep us ticking over.
I actually feel sick about this.

Mantis Toboggan · 19-04-2021 08:09AM

Louis Friend wrote: »

How much of the Champions League trickles down to other clubs?

Gary Neville was ranting and raving about “the pyramid” but the six clubs are proposing to stay in the Premier League.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s cynical opportunism, but are UEFA the good guys?

People have been brainwashed into thinking Uefa and Fifa are the good guys.

malinheader · 19-04-2021 08:09AM

I have very mixed emotions this morning , I thought I would be very sad and enraged but really I am not that bothered.
The reason being the club I have supported most of my life ceased to exist a while back as did many of the great clubs around the football world.
In recent years going to OT was a massive disappointment, you would get more atmosphere at a cricket match. Corporate boxes,advertising, merchandise sales and sponsorship deals were all more important than the actual supporters in the end.
So in hindsight this morning I'm not really bothered, I just probably knew subconsciously that the old club I loved ceased to exist a while back.

S.M.B. · 19-04-2021 08:14AM

It's not 100% clear to me whether all this outrage is a result of the proposal itself or if it's more to do with all the uncertainty and "what ifs"?

Because the core proposal doesn't seem THAT outrageous to me.

Also, in terms of greed, I think fans are not guilt free when it comes to their part over the past 25 years.

Alf Veedersane · 19-04-2021 08:30AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

People have been brainwashed into thinking Uefa and Fifa are the good guys.

Hardly. Least worse, in this instance, perhaps.

Kerrydude1981 · 19-04-2021 08:49AM

This Super League idea is like something from a FIFA and a Pro Evo game.

Drumpot · 19-04-2021 09:01AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

People have been brainwashed into thinking Uefa and Fifa are the good guys.

Nonsense, that’s a proper straw man argument.

Seeing how damaging this new league would be and calling it out is not endorsing UEFA or Fifa.

If you can defend the idea of it, go ahead, but knocking UEFA/FIFA doesn’t make this a good proposal. It’s a con, it’s an idea that has nothing to do with fans. I’m not sure I’ve read or heard many fans say they want this. Any fans out of the top 6 dont want it , that’s for sure , so the majority within football do not want it.

It’s a souless money grab move by people who’s only motive is making money. That alone should send alarm bells up the spine of anybody who isn’t sure about this. Old Trafford is prob finished and the club will end up a franchise or a permanently travelling one with no set home. If they get away with this, it doesn’t stop with just leaving the EPL, it opens the door to them changing everything about the game if money can be made.

GSPfan · 19-04-2021 09:02AM

If this goes ahead I can’t see the PL allowing those 6 teams to stay in the top division because it’ll be chaotic. They may get relegated to the Championship for next season as this plays out in courts.

The motivation to put out the strongest teams will be gone. If United are say 6th in the Premier league with 10 games left and cannot win the league then why would they prioritise PL games over SL games? They just won’t. The league will become a true secondary competition and due to the financial gulf between clubs United will be able to hoover up talent to form a world class 22 man squad and play a top class second string team on a Saturday while their first team players rest up for the clash with Barcelona on the Wednesday.

Those clubs have declared war on the establishment and it’s going to get nasty. Just wait until Klopp or someone like him says he can’t agree to manage a club involved with this. I truly believe him or someone like him at the highest level will draw the line. Fascinating to see who does it. I’m awaiting the players and managers associations to comment.

Dave0301 · 19-04-2021 09:11AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I'd love to see it, imagine it, real football against the best teams week in week out. We're big enough to be in with the big boys if this gets the go ahead and we're good enough under Ole to mix it with any of them. To be honest fcuk the likes of West brom and Burnley we deserve to be in with the best teams.

Now I've been hearing about this breakaway for years and I've no doubt that it will never happen. Needs to be backed by a large TV company ie sky sports.

The same West Brom that we drew with earlier this season, or Burnley who we didn't beat at home since 2015 until yesterday? How about relegated Sheff Utd that beat United?

Why should the fans of those clubs miss out on big meaningful occasions like this?

I am not opposed to reforming competition to make it more competitive or prestigious, but setting up a closed shop to line the pockets of owners is not what I want from football.

Cookiemunster · 19-04-2021 09:14AM

GSPfan wrote: »

If this goes ahead I can’t see the PL allowing those 6 teams to stay in the top division because it’ll be chaotic. They may get relegated to the Championship for next season as this plays out in courts.

The motivation to put out the strongest teams will be gone. If United are say 6th in the Premier league with 10 games left and cannot win the league then why would they prioritise PL games over SL games? They just won’t. The league will become a true secondary competition and due to the financial gulf between clubs United will be able to hoover up talent to form a world class 22 man squad and play a top class second string team on a Saturday while their first team players rest up for the clash with Barcelona on the Wednesday.

Those clubs have declared war on the establishment and it’s going to get nasty. Just wait until Klopp or someone like him says he can’t agree to manage a club involved with this. I truly believe him or someone like him at the highest level will draw the line. Fascinating to see who does it. I’m awaiting the players and managers associations to comment.

The simple fact is that the other PL clubs need these six clubs to bring in the billions in TV revenue. Without them it disappears. The whole of the PL is built on a house of cards. If the money disappears, most if not all of the other 14 go bankrupt and take a lot of the Championship clubs with them. At the end of the day financial realities will take hold and the PL with do nothing to the six.

loyatemu · 19-04-2021 09:15AM

I assume this is all negotiation sabre-rattling from the 12 clubs and they're expecting UEFA/FIFA to fold. The threat to kick them out of the domestic leagues and ban their players could get tied up in the courts for years (the player ban sounds like it would fall foul of EU law).

Have to laugh at Arsenal, fresh from a hard-fought draw against Fulham to go 9th, setting themselves up as one of Europe's elite...

billyhead · 19-04-2021 09:17AM

Arsenal and Spurs in a SL. Lol

Mitch Connor · 19-04-2021 09:17AM

without thinking about the structures or how bad it might be for clubs not invloved in it.... it would be a disaster from the point of view of United fans, imo.

The Glazers already don't care about winning the league, only finishing top 4 to make the CL for the CL money.

What motivation will there be for them to allow funding of a truly competitive United side when we will be in the ESL regardless of performance within it or within the PL?

United don't care about winning, it only cares about money. When the money is taken care of without winning.....

Father Hernandez · 19-04-2021 09:17AM

https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/1384054646323355654?s=20

Ed fúcking Woodward of course at the top of this, another cretin.

This is all so surreal.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 19-04-2021 09:19AM

loyatemu wrote: »

The threat to kick them out of the domestic leagues and ban their players could get tied up in the courts for years (the player ban sounds like it would fall foul of EU law).

How would it differ from the IRFU not picking Simon Zebo for playing in France? They'd have to be careful how they word it, but I'd be fairly certain it's possible.

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