Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

JayReale wrote: »

Yeah, it's exactly the same situation as the Dublin funding debate, exactly the same :rolleyes:

No amount of money would help Mayo, sure we know that. It's prayers they need!

Feck sake, I am starting to know how some feel now though.

It has been well over one year since I was in Croke Park!

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I see Cooper and Spillane (both on rte today) and nearly every kerry man has now said yer image is damaged. Jaysus they be taking your 6 in a row off ye next. They really don't like that ye got the 5 in a row. Still in shock down there I see.

Ah I love that type of thing.

When Paidi was alive, he used to be talking up the Dubs (prior to the 2011) in his newspaper column. Then trying to convince everyone he was not being the 'cute hoor'.

I remember back in 2011 the vibe was 'ah sure you wouldn't begrudge them' from fans etc.

Even though Jack O'Connor blamed the ref:

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/kerrys-jack-oconnor-has-some-questions-about-last-years-all-ireland-final-referee-34857


I think the Kerry mindset on the Dubs changed after the 2013 AI semi final.
Then the defeat in the 2015 AI final really hurt them. Because it showed no matter what the weather conditions Dublin had the beating of them.

If I remember correctly Jack O'Connor (again) who was minor manager at the time - he gave Dublin a grudging backhanded compliment when he claimed that the bad weather suits Dublin footballers and does not suit Kerry.

Implying that Kerry have the more skilful footballers etc.

And that Dublin were basically lucky.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fortune-favoured-dublin-jack-oconnor-claims-x0l097dctqk

But the best one was Micko in 2018 who said that this Dublin team could not be considered the greatest of all time (ie better than his Kerry team of the 70s/80s) until they hammered a team in an All Ireland final!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mick-odwyer-wont-call-dublin-a-really-great-team-until-they-pull-off-one-all-ireland-final-achievement-36699532.html

I think it is great that Dublin have got under Kerry's skin for a prolonged period at long last. Good enough for them!

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Ah I love that type of thing.

When Paidi was alive, he used to be talking up the Dubs (prior to the 2011) in his newspaper column. Then trying to convince everyone he was not being the 'cute hoor'.

I remember back in 2011 the vibe was 'ah sure you wouldn't begrudge them' from fans etc.

Even though Jack O'Connor blamed the ref:

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/kerrys-jack-oconnor-has-some-questions-about-last-years-all-ireland-final-referee-34857


I think the Kerry mindset on the Dubs changed after the 2013 AI semi final.
Then the defeat in the 2015 AI final really hurt them. Because it showed no matter what the weather conditions Dublin had the beating of them.

If I remember correctly Jack O'Connor (again) who was minor manager at the time - he gave Dublin a grudging backhanded compliment when he claimed that the bad weather suits Dublin footballers and does not suit Kerry.

Implying that Kerry have the more skilful footballers etc.

And that Dublin were basically lucky.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fortune-favoured-dublin-jack-oconnor-claims-x0l097dctqk

But the best one was Micko in 2018 who said that this Dublin team could not be considered the greatest of all time (ie better than his Kerry team of the 70s/80s) until they hammered a team in an All Ireland final!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mick-odwyer-wont-call-dublin-a-really-great-team-until-they-pull-off-one-all-ireland-final-achievement-36699532.html

I think it is great that Dublin have got under Kerry's skin for a prolonged period at long last. Good enough for them!

The 2015 final always stands out for me as a hammering that never was. If we didn't have to contend with those conditions we'd have absolutely murdered them. As it was it was the most one-sided 3-point win we've seen in a long time.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The 2015 final always stands out for me as a hammering that never was. If we didn't have to contend with those conditions we'd have absolutely murdered them. As it was it was the most one-sided 3-point win we've seen in a long time.

From memory I think you must be right. Because I can't remember being edgy or worried during it. Dare I say it would probably be classed as a 'professional' performance in other sporting codes.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

From memory I think you must be right. Because I can't remember being edgy or worried during it. Dare I say it would probably be classed as a 'professional' performance in other sporting codes.

Yup. I was the same.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The 2013 SF is the one I like to watch, great game two teams at similar level going 100 mile an hour.

I was thinking when the football is back. I won't be moaning about the cold wind or a mouldy pint, or any of that craic.

The 2013 SF was a cracker. Kinda.

It was another hammering.

People talk about the pulling away at the end, but they didn't score for over 10min from when Tomás or Marc got their last score on 61.

I've been banging that hammering drum for 7 years and I'm not gonna stop now.

BonnieSituation wrote:

The 2015 final always stands out for me as a hammering that never was. If we didn't have to contend with those conditions we'd have absolutely murdered them. As it was it was the most one-sided 3-point win we've seen in a long time.

Remember fenton hitting the post in the second half. If that had gone in you imagine they would have won by far more.

Although later in the game donaghy won a throw up and fed donnacha walsh who would have had a great goal chance himself which would have either levelled the scores or put just a point in it but lost his footing just as he caught the ball.

Also remember gooch being outscored by his marker.

Hon the Philly.

Spillanes rants about all things Dublin are becoming embarrassing now. I’d say the six in a row has really hurt him.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness to the former player set in the media there are a fair few that are great pundits and fair minded. Tomas O'Sé, Darragh O'Cinneide and the Gooch.

I have a feeling that Spillane is playing the 'media game' as there is feck all else to talk about GAA wise. Sure isn't he eulogising about 'The Dubs' a fair bit normally?

It is a terrible state of affairs that we have to resort discussing an auld Kerry fella looking to fill column inches. Because there is no GAA going on.

He well knows it as well, keeps him relevant.

It’s still embarrassing shyte from him.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Colm Cooper is brutal

He is a bit understated I suppose. But because he is the Gooch his comments hold a gravitas others don't have.

The legend that is Conal Keaney has announced his retirement from IC. What a servant to Dublin in both codes. 20yrs is some innings. Enjoy the retirement.

crossman47 wrote: »

Pity he didn't stick with hurling all the way. He would have made a big difference when a breakthrough was possible. He would have got much more kudos for a hurling all Ireland than being part of the football team.

Or look at it differently, as he was probably the best dual player we have seen in a while.

Noelle Healy has retired too... suprised at that... just 30 years of age but as frontline healthcare worker maybe it will be more a break to focus on her career... we shall see... met her a number of times as part of another health initiative she was involved in and an absolutly sound girl and was absolutly instrumental in contributing to the successes that the Dubs have enjoyed over the last few years... id say she'll be missed..

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Four all-ireland's. I see she has moved down to Cork Village/The Real Capital.
Travelling for training etc would probably be too much of a hassle?

Ahhh I see she’s lived and worked down in Cork before so...

3 hour drive minimum between both cities, more if from West Cork... you’d see why it’s pretty impractical to commit to the Dubs... they’ll miss her, a brilliant footballer and super nice girl, Dublin’s loss = Cork’s healthcare gain....

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

She is playing for a team in Cork called Mourneabbey (Clyda Rovers).

I just had a thought would she ever switch to the 'blood and bandage' crowd at intercounty level???? :eek:

Hahaha, nahhh I’d say she’d just get kidnapped to stay IF that did happen

ArielAtom wrote: »

So it’s Wicklow or Wexford for the footballers.

I am sure they are delighted....
Pointless exercise for all concerned.

In the hurling I was wondering would Dublin even beat Antrim? The Dublin hurlers seem to be very shaky. I seem to remember years ago when Antrim beat Dublin in a shock win when the Dubs were going good with Dalo. Just sticks in my mind as a sickener.

ArielAtom wrote: »

Good game for the hurlers. It will be hard but I’d expect them to win.Just looking forward to some games and hopefully be able to attend!!

Bambi wrote: »

Dublin only bet antrim by a point under pat gilroy, God knows if they'd do any better now

MFPM wrote: »

It's really unfortunate the GAA wouldn't have just gone for an open draw this year, put everyone in the pot and pair them off. Dublin v Wicklow/Wexford hardly whets anyone's appetite.

I would like a knockout after a league stage where the teams are of the same level.

MFPM wrote: »

I'm not sure there is no desire for it, I think there is but those opposed hold sway particularly in Ulster, it's a bit of a myopic view in my view.

Obviously, Dublin have been drawn against a Division 4 team!!

However, in an open draw, they may have been drawn against Kerry or Donegal or Galway etc...that would whet the appetite!

I'm not suggesting it as a fix for all time but it would be a novel idea in the current context.

Does it really whet the appetite and does it really benefit the competition if you are losing some of the stronger sides very early on and much weaker sides get through solely based on luck of the draw.
I dont see why players in many counties would want it either.

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Does it really whet the appetite and does it really benefit the competition if you are losing some of the stronger sides very early on and much weaker sides get through solely based on luck of the draw.
I dont see why players in many counties would want it either.

The FA Cup have been doing it successfully for over 100 years. In that time the 'stronger sides' in the main win the competition but it gives the weaker sides to have a cup run. I think many people would enjoy such a development.

rolling boh wrote: »

One score can win a soccer game in GAA if a team is way better all over the pitch it usually results in a rout .An open draw sounds good and might have worth a go at this time but I don't think it would do that much overall unless it was your own county winning then I suppose you are happy enough . I was delighted last year as to beat Cavan and Mayo was an easy enough All Ire .

Mayo were half decent in fairness they have blooded lots of new lads now. I do think it was a 'soft' all ireland though. And to be honest I don't count it in my head. February 2020 I would have laughed at you if you told me I would ever say that.

But the covid19, no crowds, no back door, Aussie Rules lads changing the fortunes of Tipp, Cork etc. Players who would otherwise have not remained in Ireland only for the pandemic.

It was surely no confidence that Cavan won Ulster for the first time since in the changed environment? OK you can argue that Cavan got to the Ulster final in 2019 and are improving, had to beat Monaghan.

But my feeling is Donegal were caught cold in the different set up. Plus the Ulster draw fell Cavan's way. With the big boys of Tyrone and Donegal on the opposite side of the draw to them.

The anomalies of Tipp and Cavan were shown up in the AI SF's they are just not of a consistent standard at the higher intercounty level. Might be alright on a one off game but that is it.

In a non-covid year with the old structures. It would have been Kerry back in the QF's at least along with Donegal. Maybe Cavan/Tipp getting a run in the qualifiers and being delighted with it.

The Dubs still won 'Sam' because not only the the talent of the players. But how the players are quick to adapt. Nothing taken for granted. Plus I believe the the Dublin management were clever with the training sessions.

https://www.the42.ie/gaa-players-faster-lockdown-joey-boland-5081315-Apr2020/

They took advantage of the lull in GAA to change up the players training to speed/endurance.

Which they never would have done in a 'normal' year.