Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Gael23 wrote: »

Who would be left waiting if this were to happen?
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210409-covid-19-ireland/

It could work to drop our case numbers but vaccine hesitancy is highest amongst the younger people as well who tend to follow the bull**** on social media more so the real question is would you reach enough people to slow the virus down considerably

harr wrote: »

So teachers , guards or any frontline workers I include shop workers and carers in that aren’t allowed to jump the Q as it’s more streamlined and efficient to go by age and do everyone in turn and now doing a complete U-turn and saying one particular group might be more important than the other..
An awful lot of teachers , guards and carers would be suddenly put straight to the back of the Q
Talk about mixed messaging, only a couple of days into the new age based system and they are talking about changing already.

they're still going by age, just in reverse

harr wrote: »

So teachers , guards or any frontline workers I include shop workers and carers in that aren’t allowed to jump the Q as it’s more streamlined and efficient to go by age and do everyone in turn and now doing a complete U-turn and saying one particular group might be more important than the other..
An awful lot of teachers , guards and carers would be suddenly put straight to the back of the Q
Talk about mixed messaging, only a couple of days into the new age based system and they are talking about changing already.

It's not about queues, it's the possible value to reducing the overall prevalence of the disease and nothing has been decided yet.

Red Silurian wrote: »

Why?

The teaching unions won’t have it, GRA will kick up too

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not about queues, it's the possible value to reducing the overall prevalence of the disease and nothing has been decided yet.

Still puts the 30-50 age group in last place to get a vaccine.

Gael23 wrote: »

The teaching unions won’t have it, GRA will kick up too

The civil service won't go on strike if teachers are upset about not receiving a vaccine.

This latest assessment request on 18-30s has to have an economic motivation as the hospitality sector the government desperately wants to re-open this summer is significantly dependent on employees in this age cohort

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just 2 weeks ago the Government were saying that vaccination of older ages first was based on medical advice. Has that advice changed ?

Husband and I are mid-late 40s so would be end of the queue with this.

I presume it has finally sunk in that vaccination reduces virus transmission which is what they are looking for here.

I think it would be s disastrous move to vaccinate the 18-30s first. It would be over complicating something that doesn't need to be and nobodies calling for. When they moved away from vaccinating teachers/guards etc. they stressed that age was the largest factor to severe covid and now they'd be rowing back again.

I wouldnt be one to appease the unions for the sake of it but there would be a huge backlash from them if this was implemented. Very little teachers and guards would fall into the 18-30 group than the 30-50 group. After the government said on NIAC advise that even though these professions have to deal with large numbers of students/the public as part of their job we will vaccinate by age as they are at more risk to severe covid. Now they're thinking of vaccinating this other lower risk group first that have higher case rates for no obvious reason apart from they don't follow the covid guidelines as well as the rest of the population.

Klonker wrote: »

I think it would be s disastrous move to vaccinate the 18-30s first. It would be over complicating something that doesn't need to be and nobodies calling for. When they moved away from vaccinating teachers/guards etc. they stressed that age was the largest factor to severe covid and now they'd be rowing back again.

I wouldnt be one to appease the unions for the sake of it but there would be a huge backlash from them if this was implemented. Very little teachers and guards would fall into the 18-30 group than the 30-50 group. After the government said on NIAC advise that even though these professions have to deal with large numbers of students/the public as part of their job we will vaccinate this other lower risk group first that have higher case rates for no obvious reason apart from they don't follow the covid guidelines as well as the rest of the population.

The portal records age so there's really no big deal in setting it up if they want to. There are other considerations at work in the suggestion.

This would be seen as rewarding people breaking the rules. How will 49 year olds feel when they see 18 year olds getting done weeks before them when their risk is much lower just because the government are worried they will be going out to party and socialise

Pentagon unveils microchip that senses Covid in the body
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-covid-microchip-blood-virus-b1830372.html%3famp

Skygord wrote: »

70 year-old family member getting their jab today - rural village in the midlands.
It's taken a while but the 70+ cohort must be getting close to being complete. Perhaps another week or two?

Great to read above about 65-69's starting via MVC's next week.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

According to the above, there is still c. 100k of over 70s still due to get their first dose, great to see that there are some GPs (as in your case) that are already down at the 70 yr olds, but presumably if there are that many left to vaccinate, many other GPs still must still be in the 75-80yr old range.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Why would there be war ?

It's in the original vaccine plan from December. Should enough evidence on the reduction of transmission become available that the rollout could be changed to go from youngest up. There's alot of logic behind it

There's also a logic behind vaccinating people based on age.

1huge1 wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

According to the above, there is still c. 100k of over 70s still due to get their first dose, great to see that there are some GPs (as in your case) that are already down at the 70 yr olds, but presumably if there are that many left to vaccinate, many other GPs still must still be in the 75-80yr old range.

Thanks, yes I check that spreadsheet daily (many thanks to whoever is doing it, very useful). That's why I guessed 1 - 2 weeks, but then again there are still dose 1's being given to cohort 1 using the same MRNA stock. Also, I assume cohort 4 under 60's are now switched over from AZ to MRNA, so maybe I was too optimistic. Thanks.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

There's also a logic behind vaccinating people based on age.

There is but it was always in the original plan that should sufficient evidence on transmission come to light that the rollout could be pivoted to go up the age groups instead of down.

The reason being primarily younger people in low paid customer facing jobs with long hours of multiple interactions & contacts in said jobs, more young people in shared housing and cramped conditions.

The vast majority of cases now are in the U45 age bracket so this is where transmission is taking place. It makes sense to root it out. If you stop transmission from vaccinating the younger you start protecting the older anyway.