Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

prunudo · 17-04-2021 07:38AM

At this stage, as someone in their 40s, once they don't introduce the need for domestic vaccination passports I don't care what order they vaccinate the sub 50yr olds.

The HorsesMouth · 17-04-2021 07:54AM

prunudo wrote: »

At this stage, as someone in their 40s, once they don't introduce the need for domestic vaccination passports I don't care what order they vaccinate the sub 50yr olds.

As someone in their early thirties I kind of agree with this. Having had covid I don't fear it one bit. However when it comes to travel around europe it would seriously irk me if it opens up in July/August/September and I am at the very back of the queue.

Happydays2020 · 17-04-2021 07:58AM

ianobrien wrote: »

Ya, the younger people who couldn't be bothered to follow the advice get a benefit for their non compliance while the older people who followed the advice suffer from the delay?

If they change they would have to have strong medical and scientific logic otherwise there will be chaos with every civil service union shouting for priority.

I am not sure what civil service unions have been shouting for priority? There was the teachers but who else?

Aside from that, I expect there will be serious push back from a cohort of people who are more at risk and have been doing the heavy lifting for the economy. They are more likely to have kids who are back in schools and potentially can spread.

Is this Donnelly looking for votes?

prunudo · 17-04-2021 08:04AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

As someone in their early thirties I kind of agree with this. Having had covid I don't fear it one bit. However when it comes to travel around europe it would seriously irk me if it opens up in July/August/September and I am at the very back of the queue.

Thats true, have something in the pipeline for September but unfortunately the EU vaccine passports is further out of our control than the ability to get haircut or a pint unvaccinated.

leahyl · 17-04-2021 08:10AM

noplacehere wrote: »

Absolutely. My other half just pointed out that we’d all like to socialise ffs and that parents who would largely be in the 30-50 age group have been trying to homeschool their kids and work from home (generalisation). Don’t they deserve to be vaccinated so they can socialise?

This would cause war

And also, believe it or not, there are still single people over 30 (myself included) but sure we wouldn’t be socialising or anything!....if this is true then I honestly don’t know what to say at this stage.

ianobrien · 17-04-2021 08:17AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I am not sure what civil service unions have been shouting for priority? There was the teachers but who else?

Garda were shouting and the prison officers went on a work to rule over the past few days.

SJFly · 17-04-2021 08:19AM

Carers for medically vulnerable children and teenagers will mainly be in the 30-50 age bracket. Another summer locked away. Brilliant

noplacehere · 17-04-2021 08:19AM

leahyl wrote: »

And also, believe it or not, there are still single people over 30 (myself included) but sure we wouldn’t be socialising or anything!....if this is true then I honestly don’t know what to say at this stage.

Totally, that’s why I said generalisation. Kids or no kids the whole country wants to socialise regardless of age!

Leftwaffe · 17-04-2021 08:22AM

So, what about this Indian variant that George Lee and co. are frothing from the mouth about? Anything to actually be concerned about?

I’m gone past the variant scare mongering tbh.

17-04-2021 08:23AM

I’m not sure why they can’t just leave it alone at this stage, age is apparently the biggest risk after vaccinating the vulnerable so just go through down through the ages, it really should not be that difficult.

Jim Gazebo · 17-04-2021 08:24AM

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Times reporting that those aged 18-30 age would get shots before those aged 30-50 under new plan. (I assume they mean 16-30).

There will be war over this.

The logic given seems to be that the younger party and socialise more. This does not sit well with me from a fairness perspective.

Those aged 30-50 are at significant more risk than the younger groups. All other countries, that I am aware of, are doing vaccinations by descending age group.

I am in that bracket. I do not want it ahead of older more vulnerable people. Silly imo.

leahyl · 17-04-2021 08:24AM

noplacehere wrote: »

Totally, that’s why I said generalisation. Kids or no kids the whole country wants to socialise regardless of age!

I agree! Sorry, hope it didn’t come across that I was being smart - didn’t mean it that way at all! Just saying that it’s a laugh that they are cutting it off at 30 as the “younger generation” and assuming that they would do all the socialising - the assumption that the majority of people over 30 are married and/or have kids so there’s no way they’d have time for any socialising...it just pisses me off!

celt262 · 17-04-2021 08:26AM

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Times reporting that those aged 18-30 age would get shots before those aged 30-50 under new plan. (I assume they mean 16-30).

There will be war over this.

The logic given seems to be that the younger party and socialise more. This does not sit well with me from a fairness perspective.

Those aged 30-50 are at significant more risk than the younger groups. All other countries, that I am aware of, are doing vaccinations by descending age group.

Wouldn't be happy with that was hopping to get is ASAP to protect the wife who can't get it due to her condition.

is_that_so · 17-04-2021 08:32AM

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Times reporting that those aged 18-30 age would get shots before those aged 30-50 under new plan. (I assume they mean 16-30).

There will be war over this.

The logic given seems to be that the younger party and socialise more. This does not sit well with me from a fairness perspective.

Those aged 30-50 are at significant more risk than the younger groups. All other countries, that I am aware of, are doing vaccinations by descending age group.

It's not the first time it's been mentioned. It came up as a proposal when NIAC first presented their plans. It also has very solid logic behind it as they are the most socially active group. More socialising - more contacts - potentially more cases - more cases in other groups. If we get what's promised it would be no more than a few weeks' adjustments.

is_that_so · 17-04-2021 08:34AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

So, what about this Indian variant that George Lee and co. are frothing from the mouth about? Anything to actually be concerned about?

I’m gone past the variant scare mongering tbh.

It has two mutations but so have others. India's problem is complacency, like what we did at Christmas so "de variants" are having a ball!

celt262 · 17-04-2021 08:39AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not the first time it's been mentioned. It came up as a proposal when NIAC first presented their plans. It also has very solid logic behind it as they are the most socially active group. More socialising - more contacts - potentially more cases - more cases in other groups. If we get what's promised it would be no more than a few weeks' adjustments.

They need to stop moving the goalposts this would be the third change to there plan. If they though they got it wrong the first time it should have been in the second plan as it was rumoured. All they are doing is making large groups of the population angry.

delly · 17-04-2021 08:39AM

Whether you agree with this 'new' plan or not, can we all just agree the incredibly frustrating behaviour of the plan getting changed on a continual basis. It just takes credibility away as a whole.

Personally I don't agree with it, I'm in the 30 - 50 bracket and haven't socialised since this thing kicked off due to my risk factors. However no matter how much I don't socialise, I still have 2nd level school goers that are a potential entry point into the home that I can't do anything about, as are any school going kids.

is_that_so · 17-04-2021 08:49AM

celt262 wrote: »

They need to stop moving the goalposts this would be the third change to there plan. If they though they got it wrong the first time it should have been in the second plan as it was rumoured. All they are doing is making large groups of the population angry.

It's always been there as a possibility, the problem is that NPHET made all the original decisions around the cohorts in the absence of a body like NIAC who do have the expertise. Regardless of which group goes first we'll still have to behave in the same way for some months yet. As for people getting angry well some people make a habit of getting angry, every day.

Happydays2020 · 17-04-2021 08:57AM

ianobrien wrote: »

Garda were shouting and the prison officers went on a work to rule over the past few days.

I was being a bit pedantic. Civil servants v public servants. Did not realise that about the Guards and prison officers.

celt262 · 17-04-2021 09:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's always been there as a possibility, the problem is that NPHET made all the original decisions around the cohorts in the absence of a body like NIAC who do have the expertise. Regardless of which group goes first we'll still have to behave in the same way for some months yet. As for people getting angry well some people make a habit of getting angry, every day.

I wonder have NIAC more expertise than there counterparts around the world?

Van.Bosch · 17-04-2021 09:00AM

leahyl wrote: »

And also, believe it or not, there are still single people over 30 (myself included) but sure we wouldn’t be socialising or anything!....if this is true then I honestly don’t know what to say at this stage.

Based of the amount of exemptions for MHQ, people over 30 who are single might get their own cohort!

I joke obviously but all the messages when the other groups changed were “ apart from HCW age is the only factor”, changing that now would be strange.

is_that_so · 17-04-2021 09:03AM

celt262 wrote: »

I wonder have NIAC more expertise than there counterparts around the world?

Expertise also means making appropriate local choices based on local understanding. This may or may not happen but they will explain it if it does.

eoinbn · 17-04-2021 09:04AM

JTMan wrote: »

Irish Times reporting that those aged 18-30 age would get shots before those aged 30-50 under new plan. (I assume they mean 16-30).

There will be war over this.

The logic given seems to be that the younger party and socialise more. This does not sit well with me from a fairness perspective.

Those aged 30-50 are at significant more risk than the younger groups. All other countries, that I am aware of, are doing vaccinations by descending age group.

I don't see that happening. Politically it would be a disaster and I doubt there is much science behind it.

Here is a CDC report outlining cases, hospitalisation and deaths by age. This is the US so there data is probably a little different here, however...
Cases numbers are similar in all ages from 18-64.
40-49 are 13 times more likely to die. An 18 year old is hundreds of times less likely to die than a 49 year old.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-04-2021 09:06AM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

So, what about this Indian variant that George Lee and co. are frothing from the mouth about? Anything to actually be concerned about?

I’m gone past the variant scare mongering tbh.

Its got the mutations that people think caused the problems seen in about in the californian and South African Variants. If both those mutations are the main problems with those variants it could be the worst variant so far but it might not be.

But we don't know that those mutations are actually the problems with South African and Californian variants.

The Indian variant has been designated as a variant of interest because while both mutations that might be concerning are spotted it hasn't been proven that there's actually an increased risk of transmission or antibody evasion.

Personally I feel there's enough that India should be on the mandatory hotel quarantine list but not enough that anyone should be frothing at the mouth.

Red Silurian · 17-04-2021 09:08AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Based of the amount of exemptions for MHQ, people over 30 who are single might get their own cohort!

I joke obviously but all the messages when the other groups changed were “ apart from HCW age is the only factor”, changing that now would be strange.

You joke yet 75% of our new cases every day are in the under-45 age group... So theoretically if we vaccinate that age group then our figures should drop 75%

is_that_so · 17-04-2021 09:09AM

eoinbn wrote: »

I don't see that happening. Politically it would be a disaster and I doubt there is much science behind it.

Here is a CDC report outlining cases, hospitalisation and deaths by age. This is the US so there data is probably a little different here however...
Cases numbers are similar in all ages from 18-64.
40-49 are 13 times more likely to die. An 18 year old is hundreds of times less likely to die than a 49 year old.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

It's really not about hospitalisations at this stage, the under 45 cohort have been continually flagged throughout this as being a sizable proportion of daily cases and of social contacts. If they do go down this route it will be based on the perceived benefits of possibly eliminating that threat.

Gael23 · 17-04-2021 09:12AM

Who would be left waiting if this were to happen?
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210409-covid-19-ireland/

celt262 · 17-04-2021 09:12AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Who would be left waiting if this were to happen?
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210409-covid-19-ireland/

Have you not read the last 2 pages here ?

is_that_so · 17-04-2021 09:14AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Who would be left waiting if this were to happen?
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210409-covid-19-ireland/

Likely to be the 30-50 age group. Let's not forget that pretty much everyone except the over 70s are still waiting.

harr · 17-04-2021 09:15AM

So teachers , guards or any frontline workers I include shop workers and carers in that aren’t allowed to jump the Q as it’s more streamlined and efficient to go by age and do everyone in turn and now doing a complete U-turn and saying one particular group might be more important than the other..
An awful lot of teachers , guards and carers would be suddenly put straight to the back of the Q
Talk about mixed messaging, only a couple of days into the new age based system and they are talking about changing already.

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