FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 3:24pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Well it is derogatory to some and not to others kinda like leaking a confidential document to mates is grand for some but not for others then again it would be if it was someone from another party that had done the leaking. Hypocrites.

Backflip, somersault and land. 8.8

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 3:25pm

Should we take throw in a bid for Denmarks AZ vaccine stock?
Going cheap this evening

blanch152 · 14-04-2021 3:31pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

That is such spoof!

Leo The Leak trends on Twitter every other week.

So we can only use references that the FFG politicians are comfortable with unless they are SF TDs?

So Leo uttered the phrase 'Not Another Red Cent'. Is that allowed in your nomenclature?

As I said, such two faced spoof.

I don't like Cullinane and his antics after the GE were terrible but that doesn't mean you get to make up the 'rules' or propaganda.

Actually, Leo "Not a red cent" Varadkar is not derogatory. Leo the Leak is.

"Up the Ra" Cullinane is similarly not derogatory, unless the phrase "Up the Ra" is considered so.

blanch152 · 14-04-2021 3:48pm

Floppybits wrote: »

I wonder if we can use Micheal 'there was no bank bailout' Martin or Michael 'I will not go into coalition with FG' Martin. How about Leo 'Fianna Fáil back into power would be like letting John Delaney run the FAI' Varadkar.

I've no problem with any of those.

Cluedo Monopoly · 14-04-2021 3:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Actually, Leo "Not a red cent" Varadkar is not derogatory. Leo the Leak is.

"Up the Ra" Cullinane is similarly not derogatory, unless the phrase "Up the Ra" is considered so.

Why is Leo the Leak derogatory? Is it because he didn't utter the phrase or because he didn't leak the confidential document? His hashtag is very common on Twitter - you should complain.

Cluedo Monopoly · 14-04-2021 5:41pm

The MHQ is only 3 weeks old and already reflects how shambolic the government planning and execution has been throughout Covid.
They had 1 year to get it right. They had examples of how to do it all from around the world. Crazy stuff. Fail to prepare...

TheTruth21 · 14-04-2021 5:46pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Why is Leo the Leak derogatory? Is it because he didn't utter the phrase or because he didn't leak the confidential document? His hashtag is very common on Twitter - you should complain.

I prefer Leo "Every child has the right to a mother and father and, as much as is possible, the State should vindicate that right. That is a much more important right than that of two men or women having a family. That is the principle that should underline our laws regarding children and adoption" the liar

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 6:36pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The MHQ is only 3 weeks old and already reflects how shambolic the government planning and execution has been throughout Covid.
They had 1 year to get it right. They had examples of how to do it all from around the world. Crazy stuff. Fail to prepare...

Why is it shambolic? Where in Europe is doing better?

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 6:37pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The MHQ is only 3 weeks old and already reflects how shambolic the government planning and execution has been throughout Covid.
They had 1 year to get it right. They had examples of how to do it all from around the world. Crazy stuff. Fail to prepare...

Which elements amount to 'crazy'?

Cluedo Monopoly · 14-04-2021 6:40pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Why is it shambolic? Where in Europe is doing better?

Oh...I thought you weren't interested

Google is your friend. Knock yourself out...

https://www.thejournal.ie/hotel-quarantine-stephen-donnelly-5409314-Apr2021/

The pausing of the system just a few days after the announcement of its expansion is being criticised by both those in and outside government.

Opposition TDs have said it is down to “shambolic planning”.

Sinn Féin spokesperson on Transport Darren O’Rourke said the”half-hearted implementation” was the cause of the latest mandatory hotel quarantine chaos.

He said it is incomprehensible how enough hotel rooms were not secured in advance of the rollout. O’Rourke said it is an important tool in our defence at this time.

Social Democrats co-leader Róisín Shortall said it is “beggars belief the government is unable to find additional capacity”.

People Before Profit TD Paul Murphy criticised the government for their “half-hearted and ham-fisted” approach.

Meanwhile, critics within government argue that these issues were well flagged with the Department of Health and were the crux of the disagreements over the last week.

When the initial fallout happened ahead of last weekend, a number of practical questions were posed to the Department of Health about how an expanded system might work.

Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney mentioned some of these publicly, as did Leo Varadkar. These centred around hotel capacity.

There’s no doubt there was a heated discussion around the Cabinet table today about the system and whether it is operational, with issues such as the mounting court cases, as well as capacity likely to have been raised.

3 weeks and already the planning looks totally shambolic. Also looks like FG are quite happy to lay the blame with FF...

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 6:44pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The MHQ is only 3 weeks old and already reflects how shambolic the government planning and execution has been throughout Covid.
They had 1 year to get it right. They had examples of how to do it all from around the world. Crazy stuff. Fail to prepare...

What should have been done differently, in your opinion?

Cluedo Monopoly · 14-04-2021 6:44pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

What should have been done differently, in your opinion?

Planning. You're acting a bit weird now replying to my post 3 times.

14-04-2021 6:45pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Oh...I thought you weren't interested

Google is your friend. Knock yourself out...

https://www.thejournal.ie/hotel-quarantine-stephen-donnelly-5409314-Apr2021/

3 weeks and already the planning looks totally shambolic. Also looks like FG are quite happy to lay the blame with FF...

Opposition howling from the sidelines comes as a huge surprise. Not.

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 6:46pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Oh...I thought you weren't interested

Google is your friend. Knock yourself out...

https://www.thejournal.ie/hotel-quarantine-stephen-donnelly-5409314-Apr2021/

3 weeks and already the planning looks totally shambolic. Also looks like FG are quite happy to lay the blame with FF...

Journal.ie as a source? Seriously?
Darren O'Rourke, Paul Murphy, Roisin Shorthall. Hmmm.

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 6:47pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Planning. You're acting a bit weird now replying to my post 3 times.

It just raise so many questions. I would like you to share your insight.

Cluedo Monopoly · 14-04-2021 6:48pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Journal.ie as a source? Seriously?
Darren O'Rourke, Paul Murphy, Roisin Shorthall. Hmmm.

You're right. They made up all those quotes and facts.

Ok.

You get the point anyway.

Let's see if it's reflected in the next poll...

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 6:50pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

You're right. They made up all those quotes and facts. Ok.

You get the point anyway.

Let's see if it's reflected in the next poll...

Quotes and facts. Indeed. Run for the hills

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 6:54pm

Ireland's economy forecast to grow by 3.5% in 2021, on the back of exports, strong private consumption and a recovery in investment.

Opposition TD's have denounced the projections as 'further evidence of this governments slavish attachment to the evils of the free market' (OK I just made that up, but you get the point)

Finty Lemon · 14-04-2021 7:04pm

Speaking of facts, Ireland's 14 day incidence rate is the 4th lowest in Europe, just above Denmark, Iceland and Portugal
Our mortality rate is 6th lowest.

The EU average 14 day case rate is 506 per 100k/mortality rate 75 per 1m
Ireland stands at 152 per 100k and 26 per 1m

These are facts. Not opinions on Journal.ie. For a shambolic effort, it seems to be delivering some results.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 7:13pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Speaking of facts, Ireland's 14 day incidence rate is the 4th lowest in Europe, just above Denmark, Iceland and Portugal
Our mortality rate is 6th lowest.

The EU average 14 day case rate is 506 per 100k/mortality rate 75 per 1m
Ireland stands at 152 per 100k and 26 per 1m

These are facts. Not opinions on Journal.ie. For a shambolic effort, it seems to be delivering some results.

And we were there before Christmas until the coalition decided to ignore the medical advice. What's your point, do you want us to award medals?

14-04-2021 7:21pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And we were there before Christmas until the coalition decided to ignore the medical advice. What's your point, do you want us to award medals?

The coalition in their innocence thought that people would exercise personal responsibility. Most did. Many didn’t.

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 7:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The coalition in their innocence thought that people would exercise personal responsibility. Most did. Many didn’t.

The coalition ignored the health experts advice. The experts who knew what would happen and it did.

Triangle · 14-04-2021 7:50pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The coalition ignored the health experts advice. The experts who knew what would happen and it did.

Taking the advise of health officials and no one else, we wouldn't be projected to have 3.5% growth this year.
They balanced the judgements at the time.

If they had known more about the severity of the new strain, they might have made a different call. But hindsight is 20/20.

They've done a good job in balancing the decisions during pandemic overall.

TheTruth21 · 14-04-2021 7:57pm

Triangle wrote: »

Taking the advise of health officials and no one else, we wouldn't be projected to have 3.5% growth this year.
They balanced the judgements at the time.

If they had known more about the severity of the new strain, they might have made a different call. But hindsight is 20/20.

They've done a good job in balancing the decisions during pandemic overall.

They have been ignoring NPHET on hotel quarantine for 9 months now and still havnt got it right.

We also had the longest lockdown by quite some distance in Europe

We have had hospitals stealing god knows how many vaccines for people working at home, charity bosses, teachers, wives, brothers, kids.
We have had people in high positions abuse the vaccine rollout by offering it to people in the know. Our GOVT have not held 1 person to account. What are the Govt doing about it?
Asw nothing as it was there mates stealing the vaccines

skimpydoo · 14-04-2021 8:08pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Journal.ie as a source? Seriously?
Darren O'Rourke, Paul Murphy, Roisin Shorthall. Hmmm.

The Journal.ie is as credible a source as the indo and the Irish Times. Darren O'Rourke, Paul Murphy, Roisin Shorthall are in opposition parties and they are holding the government to account. If they did not do this they would not be doing their job.

Bubbaclaus · 14-04-2021 8:12pm

The pandemic supports allowed gross disposable income to be significantly up n Q4 2020 compared to Q4 2019. Further great signs for the economy's prospects as we come out the other side of this.

https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1382316225007656961?s=19

FrancieBrady · 14-04-2021 8:18pm

Triangle wrote: »

Taking the advise of health officials and no one else, we wouldn't be projected to have 3.5% growth this year.
They balanced the judgements at the time.

If they had known more about the severity of the new strain, they might have made a different call. But hindsight is 20/20.

They've done a good job in balancing the decisions during pandemic overall.

They were told what would happen and it did.

3.5% growth isn't much use to those who died.

Melanchthon · 14-04-2021 8:40pm

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

The pandemic supports allowed gross disposable income to be significantly up n Q4 2020 compared to Q4 2019. Further great signs for the economy's prospects as we come out the other side of this.

https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1382316225007656961?s=19

Quarter 1 of this year I would be worried about, lot more people who normally work all the time on supports .

Cluedo Monopoly · 14-04-2021 8:42pm

skimpydoo wrote: »

The Journal.ie is as credible a source as the indo and the Irish Times. Darren O'Rourke, Paul Murphy, Roisin Shorthall are in opposition parties and they are holding the government to account. If they did not do this they would not be doing their job.

They ALWAYS blame the messenger when they cannot counter the argument. It's funny.

Total denial that MHQ is in the news every day for all the wrong reasons.

Bubbaclaus · 14-04-2021 8:51pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Quarter 1 of this year I would be worried about, lot more people who normally work all the time on supports .

We were in Level 5 for a large chunk of Q4 too, so hopefully a similar trend should be seen for Q1.

It will be a very unusual 'recovery' we will see in the economy, given this one will have a lot of pent up demand from people with money burning holes in their pockets. First time we will have experienced that coming out of a period of economic turbulence. Will be interesting to see the outcome.

FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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