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  • #932
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    The point about ventilation is very valid, with proper ventilation systems everywhere we would hardly be in this mess we're in at the moment. It's applicable to any pathogen transmissible via aerosols or small droplets.
    Ventilation isn't going to deem vaccines useless. The point of the tweet is vaccines won't stop the virus spreading. That is rapidly becoming false.


  • #933
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1382338951181176833?s=20


  • #934
    CapriciousOne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭CapriciousOne


    Denmark halting use of AZ altogether.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0414/1209784-coronavirus-global/


  • #935
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Ventilation isn't going to deem vaccines useless. The point of the tweet is vaccines won't stop the virus spreading. That is rapidly becoming false.

    Yes, that point is bogus, not arguing about that. Just saying that the ventilation point is valid and ventilation systems should be designed with disease control in mind.


  • #936
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1382338951181176833?s=20

    How does that pan out in terms of vaccines delivered going forward does anyone know?


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  • #937
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Ventilation isn't going to deem vaccines useless. The point of the tweet is vaccines won't stop the virus spreading. That is rapidly becoming false.

    "vaccination alone won't prevent"
    and "vaccines in parallel with" do not appear to be a tone or choice of words used if you were saying vaccines were useless.

    Where has she said vaccines are useless??

    To me at least you are grossly misrepresenting her position. It's a bit more nuanced than you imply. Certainly not spouting sh1te.


  • #938
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Building architecture and codes have been influenced in the past by diseases. I wouldn't be so dismissive of architects providing opinions on features of buildings in a post covid world.

    Gombeen is a bit much.
    She has been the only prominent commentator pushing for better ventilation, which I'm sure in hindsight will have turned out to be far more important than the "2 metre" rule.


  • #939
    Ashbourne hoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Nice to see that we'll have an updated plan so quickly.

    Might be partly down to the good weather but with all the good news today I feel significantly more optimistic than I did this time yesterday :)

    Stay off the journal facebook page so, it's draining over there.


  • #940
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    hmmm wrote: »
    She has been the only prominent commentator pushing for better ventilation, which I'm sure in hindsight will have turned out to be far more important than the "2 metre" rule.

    Didn't read the article, but "sick building syndrome" has been known about for years, and people have regularly researched solutions to fix it.


  • #941
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    hmmm wrote: »
    She has been the only prominent commentator pushing for better ventilation, which I'm sure in hindsight will have turned out to be far more important than the "2 metre" rule.

    If nothing else I hope this pandemic forces another rethink of building design. In particular hospitals, the standard ward is way too prone to cross infections.


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  • #942
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    The point about ventilation is very valid, with proper ventilation systems everywhere we would hardly be in this mess we're in at the moment. It's applicable to any pathogen transmissible via aerosols or small droplets.

    In the context of ending covid, when we have highly effective vaccines being made in the billions, it's a bit much to take that seriously. Hindsight is great, but also claiming that the vaccines are not enough to prevent the spread of covid is borderline misinformation.


  • #943
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    With the expected volume of just Pfizer and Moderna, anyone any idea what point we'd be moving on to group 7 and then general age groups?


  • #944
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    hmmm wrote: »
    She has been the only prominent commentator pushing for better ventilation, which I'm sure in hindsight will have turned out to be far more important than the "2 metre" rule.
    There's a fundamental problem with ventilation, in that the simple methods directly undermine energy efficiency. solutions that filter recycled air, be it UV, ozone based solutions, HEPA etc are more realistic.


  • #945
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    lucernarian wrote: »
    There's a fundamental problem with ventilation, in that the simple methods directly undermine energy efficiency. solutions that filter recycled air, be it UV, ozone based solutions, HEPA etc are more realistic.

    I've been told that single room MHRV is quite common in nursing homes. Works wherever you have an external wall. A higher efficiency alternative to opening a window!


  • #946
    vienne86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Thank you .

    I'm in the same boat....found this article useful.


  • #947
    rm212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    https://twitter.com/jhamacek/status/1382305021761572864
    Denmark has announced that it is suspending vaccination with AstraZeneca. I instructed the Ambassador of the Czech Republic in Copenhagen to contact the Danish authorities immediately and to announce the Czech Republic's interest in purchasing all AstraZeneca vaccines from Denmark.

    Czech Republic have already made contact with Denmark in an attempt to buy their doses of AZ (if you open the tweet, you can translate it).


  • #948
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I wouldn't dream of going near it in the first place.

    I don't go near their site let alone their facebook page.


  • #949
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Ursula to MM rescue.

    https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1382351684349874178?s=19


  • #950
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    If denmark were to sell their AZ, Is it open market or would we be hindered by population.


  • #951
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If denmark were to sell their AZ, Is it open market or would we be hindered by population.

    Up to the Danes really, they could sell to a few or if 1 country wants them sell to them


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  • #952
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    And these 2 gombeens too :pac::

    https://twitter.com/jrd0000/status/1381895336256475140?s=21

    This is hilarious. I've previously defended the scientists on this, but if Sam McConkey thinks I am going to sit in a bubble for 3-5 years, he can do one!

    I've no problem taking precautions at the moment in the interest of the common good, but once everyone who wants a vaccine has got one, its up to everybody to make up their own minds after that if they want to live in Sam's Town for 3-5 years.


  • #953
    eoinbn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If denmark were to sell their AZ, Is it open market or would we be hindered by population.

    We won't get through our own supply so why buy more?


  • #954
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If denmark were to sell their AZ, Is it open market or would we be hindered by population.

    Would our age restriction on AZ not mean we wouldn't need to buy any additional though ?


  • #955
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,452 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    rm212 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/jhamacek/status/1382305021761572864



    Czech Republic have already made contact with Denmark in an attempt to buy their doses of AZ (if you open the tweet, you can translate it).


    Somewhere with widespread Covid and still a lot of older people to do should use these doses. It is less important for Ireland to get them.


  • #956
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Great news about Pfizer. You never know, they might even further increase vaccine doses for this quarter.


  • #957
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    lucernarian wrote: »
    In the context of ending covid, when we have highly effective vaccines being made in the billions, it's a bit much to take that seriously. Hindsight is great, but also claiming that the vaccines are not enough to prevent the spread of covid is borderline misinformation.

    Not arguing that point at all, vaccines have shown to be exceptionally effective against this virus and with enough people vaccinated should no doubt drive the prevalence of it down to trivial levels.

    On the point of ventilation, it has been talked about quite a bit in context of SARS-cov-2 and other airborne pathogens and it's something that can very much make new outbreaks of existing and new pathogens much less concerning. Your point in your other comment about air filtration and UV(C) usage is spot on in this context. The more of that is used in buildings the less airborne pathogens can be spread. It's a much longer term endeavor to get all publicly accessible buildings regulated that way, the cost isn't exactly trivial either. For private dwellings that an even bigger ask to have.

    Btw. we are getting a bit off topic here I think, maybe a different thread would be more suitable for this discussion.


  • #958
    [Deleted User]
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    For those who dont believe Russia are using the vaccine as a propaganda tool
    "A comprehensive analysis of adverse events during clinical trials and over the course of mass vaccinations with the Sputnik V vaccine showed that there were no cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis," it said in a statement.

    The Gamaleya institute said it was "ready to share its purification technology with other vaccine producers in order to help them minimise the risk of adverse effects during vaccination."

    Its nothing to do with purification. The immune response to the viral vector is what causes issues. Its been known about with viral vectors for years - the rate that it occurs at is what varies


  • #959
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Gotta admire their sh1thousery!


  • #960
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,766 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    On the point of ventilation... Btw. we are getting a bit off topic here I think, maybe a different thread would be more suitable for this discussion.

    There was one:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114040580

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #961
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE have asked NIAC to clarify their advise.

    In particular surrounding the below. Whereby if the benefits outweigh the risks and the person has made an informed decision. i.e has consented knowing the risk.
    https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1382358494989402113?s=19


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