Formula 1

dulpit wrote: »

Hamilton being an extremely unlikeable champion doesn't help, but the netflix series has helped big up the other drivers... I just finished the latest series, and it prompted me to start playing the f1 2020 game which I wouldn't have done otherwise.

you're not that lad from the whatsapp videos circulating?
Please say you are :pac:

Like most others here I used to be a big fan but the end of FTA means I only watch race highlights on Channel 4 and some weeks Id miss even that. It has become too sanitised and the dominace of Hamilton hasnt helped either. Will try to watch more of it this season as it sounds like Verstappan finally might challenge so that would at least make it more interesting.

Agree about all the Arab circuits looking samey samey, I wish they had tried for more street circuits in a big city but money talks. Im still on the fence with the whole DRS thing, it almost seems like cheating to slow one car down to give another an advantage, its just not cricket.

meeeeh wrote: »

You mean how can people get passionate about someone like Ferrari?

I can be both, driver and manufacturer supporter. This year I'm a lot cooler towards Ferrari because I didn't think they treated Vettel very well last year and because I can't stand Sainz (no rational reason, I just don't like him). In general I'm always happy to cheer some back marker team to succeed as long as they are not McLaren.

I can't get passionate about teams. But I'd support anyone who can upset the dominance of Mercedes and Hamilton.

Ferrari has to be the worst value for money team.on the grid. Its much easier to support a low budget team like Jordan and Dauber were back in the day. Now those two teams have been rebranded as Aston Martin and Alfa Romeo even though those car companies have nothing to do with the teams. They just bought the advertising space on the team name. That's pretty soulless and not something that I could get behind. Similar to supporting Beko fridges.

meeeeh wrote: »

No it's not. Unlike Ferrari Jordan never manufactured their own engines, Ferrari is a proper manufacturer team. A bit prone to cutting corners, self combusting and possibly cheating but if they left the F1's attraction would diminished.

I'm not Irish, I wasn't even in Ireland when Jordan was successful and while I liked the team they are not much different to Red Bull from a perspective of someone with no Irish connection.

Red bull has a huge budget and Jordan was always punching above its weight on a shoestring. Ferrari has always had the biggest budget, gets help from the governing body, gets money off the top before the pot is divided out amongst the teams and still manages to be only above average. Apart from a period in the 50s where they bought another team with the best car and the 2000s where they were actually excellent and well run, they’ve been a bit of a disaster. Proper underachievers.

I know the general public likes Ferrari the most and if someone only knows one team, it’s most likely Ferrari. Similar to Man Utd in football.

F1 is beholden to them because of their recognisability but they're a bad influence. They have a veto on the rules. So f1 can't make serious rule changes without making a concession to Ferrari that helps them out. That's not right.

eviltimeban wrote: »

Disagree about Stroll. He's proven to be a decent racer.

And all the drivers are there due to *someone's* money.

He's a decent racer in the sense that he'd be miles better than you and me. But in f1 terms he's below average.

He has developed a lot since he arrived first. Any other driver with his level of performance would have been dropped in his first year. But his money and his dad owning the team means he has had years to develop into a below average to average driver.

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm watching F1 since I was 10 (43 now), I've been to races and I only became Ferrari fan when MS moved there. I was Schumacher fan since 92 or so (when Prost had his sabbatical year and I didn't like Senna). It's easier to support the team that survives more than 10 years in F1 and I stuck with Ferrari because I didn't like any other driver enough since MS retired. The plastic fan insinuation is a bit insulting.

There is a bit more to it than being Man U fan (and there is nothing wrong with that either) because there are only 10 or so teams and 20 or drivers to pick from.

Well, the man United comparison is apt. Ferrari is definitely the most likely f1 team known to someone who knows only one f1team. I don't claim to know what kind of fan you are. But the analogy is accurate.

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Sadly real Motorsport is dead, well on four wheels anyway.

Don't agree, it's never been more accessible and eSports are starting to drive a grassroots resurgence. In terms of a fan it's a golden age...

I'll be watching hours of coverage of F1 this weekend, Moto GP, and Indycar. Next weekend is every stage live of WRC rally Croatia, 2 formula e races, indycar and superspeedway nascar in talladega.

guyfo wrote: »

Don't agree, it's never been more accessible and eSports are starting to drive a grassroots resurgence. In terms of a fan it's a golden age...

I'll be watching hours of coverage of F1 this weekend, Moto GP, and Indycar. Next weekend is every stage live of WRC rally Croatia, 2 formula e races, indycar and superspeedway nascar in talladega.

Shake and Bake!

By the by, I always kind of wished F1 used the real oval Indianapolis track in the 2000s, just for the novelty. Why must it always involve sweeping esses and hair pins. We get that at all the other tracks.

(I know F1 suspensions and tyres aren't designed for oval, but they have the best engineers, work it out)

KungPao wrote: »

I do think the Jordan and Minardi types leaving harmed it. There was something magical almost seeing a Jordan winning a race here and there. I believe it was shoestring stuff compared to the big boys then. Jordan were a bit rock and roll, anything can happen. Now it’s all so corporate.

I wonder if the tobacco companies leaving is what finished off Jordan? They needed that big investment of questionable money to compete. Little stickers for Bridgestone or some tech company no one ever heard of won’t pay the big bills.

I always liked the hornet on the noses of the Jordan cars from 1998-2000 (the teams most successful period) a snake on the 1997 car and a shark on the 2001 car. Buzzin' Hornets, Bitten & Hisses and Bitten Heroes.

fergiesfolly wrote: »

I've been watching the Formula 1 series on Netflix recently. These guys aren't automatons. Very passionate, driven, sometime viciously confident, other times crushingly paranoid. The in-team politics, tensions and backstabbing really gives another layer to what we see on screen on Sunday afternoon.
What I would love to see, is some of today's top drivers take an 80s or 90s car round a track and compare lap times to the likes of Senna, Prost, Schumacher or Mansell.

i've been watching it and have mixed opinions of it.
I do think a lot of the drivers come across as bland e.g Bottas, Sainz, Hamilton :most of them to be honest. Seems like a real lack of characters. Vettel has an edge to him for sure and Ricciardo is likable.
Other than that its really the team chiefs whose character you get more of an insight into.
Also was funny seeing Vettel and LeClerc been given out to by the Ferrari PR woman for staring at their phones during interviews, as if that would have happened to Senna etc

KungPao wrote: »

I do think the Jordan and Minardi types leaving harmed it. There was something magical almost seeing a Jordan winning a race here and there. I believe it was shoestring stuff compared to the big boys then. Jordan were a bit rock and roll, anything can happen. Now it’s all so corporate.

I wonder if the tobacco companies leaving is what finished off Jordan? They needed that big investment of questionable money to compete. Little stickers for Bridgestone or some tech company no one ever heard of won’t pay the big bills.

Had some very talented drivers...just seems like they could never get the car to be competitive...

Look at some of the drivers, ok, a lot of them were at the beginning of their careers and using Jordan as a steppingstone and would achieve great things...or the wrong side of 40 having achieved great things and looking for a final big paycheck...

Andrewf20 wrote: »

4-5 winners is fairly normal. 1992 was still fairly bland with Mansell dominating for a good bit. 94 was a good season (apart from Imola of course) but still only 4 winners. Once there is a close battle between 2 drivers its usually fairly entertaining like in 87-91,94,97,98

Yeah, the key indicator is probably the number of wins the second placed driver has, or just the ratio of points between first and second (or third when second is the teammate of first). Ten different winners isn't much use if Hamilton is second in each of those races and wins the rest.

MAZEPIN !!


haaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa .. daddys money buys you the car , but he cant buy you the skills to drive it .... pathetic.