Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

normanoffside · 13-04-2021 09:58PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

So I get your point but how many university students have actually had in class tuition in the past year? So it's fine to travel abroad as part of a degree and not fine to attend classes in Ireland, explain the logic please, I might add the locations some of these students located too had some of the worst covid outbreaks in Europe. To finish, I heard a parent this morning who forked out 9K in fees for current college year and little or no time spent in actual classes.

You seem to miss the point that when they went abroad on Erasmus at the start of the Academic year case numbers and restrictions were low throughout Europe. Nobody could have predicted the future at that point.

MrMusician18 · 13-04-2021 10:07PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

A Donnelly quote is bi-word in journalism to check other sources.

I'm sure O'Leary will happily oblige by telling him go f*ck himself.

Why? Checking that passengers meet entry requirements for the destination country is standard practice. I believe there can be quite substantial penalties for airlines allowing passengers to travel without the required visas etc.

copeyhagen · 13-04-2021 10:11PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Why? Checking that passengers meet entry requirements for the destination country is standard practice. I believe there can be quite substantial penalties for airlines allowing passengers to travel without the required visas etc.

bit of a difference between a visa and something that the airlines dont have anything to do with, or give a **** about.

a ridiculous setup from the start. come here vaccinated and with a negative test and still have to quarentine.. what a fooking Country.

Jack1985 · 13-04-2021 10:13PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Why? Checking that passengers meet entry requirements for the destination country is standard practice. I believe there can be quite substantial penalties for airlines allowing passengers to travel without the required visas etc.

The DoT said this evening very little could be done to police this. For obvious reasons to most.

Dempo1 · 13-04-2021 10:15PM

normanoffside wrote: »

You seem to miss the point that when they went abroad on Erasmus at the start of the Academic year case numbers and restrictions were low throughout Europe. Nobody could have predicted the future at that point.

I again say regardless of numbers being high or low, why was this scheme permitted at any time during a pandemic, access for students to their own colleges here have been restricted for almost a year. I'd also query when numbers of covid cases increased why didn't students return home immediately.

I think it astonishing taxpayer's now expected to pay quarantine expenses for such students but as I've stated previously this entire Mandatory Hotel Quarantine scheme is a farce.

hmmm · 13-04-2021 10:18PM

CEO of Greencore

https://twitter.com/patrick_coveney/status/1382062554130825216

Feria40 · 13-04-2021 10:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

CEO of Greencore

https://twitter.com/patrick_coveney/status/1382062554130825216

CEO of Greencore AND Simon Coveney's brother no less!

josip · 13-04-2021 10:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

CEO of Greencore

https://twitter.com/patrick_coveney/status/1382062554130825216

aka "the brother".

Irish Aris · 13-04-2021 10:29PM

hmmm wrote: »

CEO of Greencore

https://twitter.com/patrick_coveney/status/1382062554130825216

Do I understand correctly that they pretty much cap the number of people that come in the country from the countries in the list?

MrMusician18 · 13-04-2021 10:29PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

bit of a difference between a visa and something that the airlines dont have anything to do with, or give a **** about.

a ridiculous setup from the start. come here vaccinated and with a negative test and still have to quarentine.. what a fooking Country.

The airlines don't issue visas. And the airlines had no problem refusing boarding for turning up with minor errors in documentation so they'll have no problem asking for the MHQ booking reference at check-in.

hmmm · 13-04-2021 10:34PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

Do I understand correctly that they pretty much cap the number of people that come in the country from the countries in the list?

There's nowhere to put you, so yes the border is closed. I don't know what happens if you just turn up. I'm assuming it is chaos.

Jack1985 · 13-04-2021 10:35PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The airlines don't issue visas. And the airlines had no problem refusing boarding for turning up with minor errors in documentation so they'll have no problem asking for the MHQ booking reference at check-in.

They didn't state that they did issue visas. Airlines have been dealing with visas for many years.

There's a barrier to policing this that the DOT said as much this evening, MHQ documentation isn't verifiable through a central system, give me Adobe and I'll have an MHQ booking for tomorrow.

Airlines operate from multiple airports with multiple handlers who handle multiple airlines to multiple countries.

Very hard to police.

The Nutty M · 13-04-2021 10:37PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

The DoT said this evening very little could be done to police this. For obvious reasons to most.

That's a bit weird to say the documentation can not be checked at check-in.
As an outgoing passenger with KLM I would not have been able to board the plane without a PCR test within 72 hours of boarding and an antigen test taken within 4 hours of boarding. Both test results were checked at the check-in desk. No documents equals no check-in. So if KLM can do it for its own country,it should not be too much of an ask for airlines flying into Ireland to check documents.
And don't take this as me being pro MHQ,I'm exactly the opposite. I think it's a pure thick idea to have MHQ for European countries. But it is there and the rules have to be lived by. There has to be some repercussions for travel company's to land people on the doorstep of a country with no valid documentation.

Jack1985 · 13-04-2021 10:40PM

The Nutty M wrote: »

That's a bit weird to say the documentation can not be checked at check-in.
As an outgoing passenger with KLM I would not have been able to board the plane without a PCR test within 72 hours of boarding and an antigen test taken within 4 hours of boarding. Both test results were checked at the check-in desk. No documents equals no check-in. So if KLM can do it for its own country,it should not be too much of an ask for airlines flying into Ireland to check documents.
And don't take this as me being pro MHQ,I'm exactly the opposite. I think it's a pure thick idea to have MHQ for European countries. But it is there and the rules have to be lived by. There has to be some repercussions for travel company's to land people on the doorstep of a country with no valid documentation.

There is no issue with checking documentation, airlines are required to do that. The problem is verifying it (certain documentation/covid-era) - The Digital Green Cert will alleviate A LOT of these issues and will make it a lot easier for everyone. This is what the DoT were referring to by hard to police.

For example in relation to verfication, I know in the UK they specified for some countries where neg-PCR tests were to be authorised from.

13-04-2021 10:46PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's nowhere to put you, so yes the border is closed. I don't know what happens if you just turn up. I'm assuming it is chaos.

I’m sure it’s going to happen over the next few days, given the volume of walk-ins to date. Going to be fascinating to see what happens and how it is reported. I’m sure it will involve a prolonged stay in the airport, probably in an immigration interrogation (sorry, interview) room. And then they’ll have to find a hotel I guess. There really is no option

Red Silurian · 13-04-2021 10:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m sure it’s going to happen over the next few days, given the volume of walk-ins to date. Going to be fascinating to see what happens and how it is reported. I’m sure it will involve a prolonged stay in the airport, probably in an immigration interrogation (sorry, interview). And then they’ll have to find a hotel I guess. There really is no option

You can't even book a flight to NZ or Australia without having a booking code for your hotel quarantine

A little bit more difficult to implement here with the open border with the north but we do pay our politicians very well to figure these things out

13-04-2021 10:53PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The airlines don't issue visas. And the airlines had no problem refusing boarding for turning up with minor errors in documentation so they'll have no problem asking for the MHQ booking reference at check-in.

Source?
Where is that written in their conditions of carriage or legislation which travel organisers must abide by?

Based on the law they have obligations to inform and to check if PCR tests have been carried out, not for Mandatory Hotel Quarantine.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2021/si/135/made/en/print

Do you not expect to be challenged on this stuff?

The Nutty M · 13-04-2021 10:54PM

Jack1985 wrote: »

There is no issue with checking documentation, airlines are required to do that. The problem is verifying it (certain documentation/covid-era) - The Digital Green Cert will alleviate A LOT of these issues and will make it a lot easier for everyone. This is what the DoT were referring to by hard to police.

For example in relation to verification, I know in the UK they specified for some countries where neg-PCR tests were to be authorised from.

I didn't see the verification statement,only the check. And that to me is a fair statement to make to check. But as you say, verification is a different story.
My missus was flying last month and got stopped before check-in because the girl behind the desk wanted the test cert signed by the person who carried out the test. And there again lies a problem, was the girl doing her job or giving her own interpretation on how a test cert should be.

joseywhales · 13-04-2021 10:56PM

I mean what do they legally do, "must allow citizen entry","must detain in mhq", "no room for detention", as a police officer I think I would just have an aneurysm and collapse.

Jack1985 · 13-04-2021 11:01PM

The Nutty M wrote: »

I didn't see the verification statement,only the check. And that to me is a fair statement to make to check. But as you say, verification is a different story.
My missus was flying last month and got stopped before check-in because the girl behind the desk wanted the test cert signed by the person who carried out the test. And there again lies a problem, was the girl doing her job or giving her own interpretation on how a test cert should be.

Yep, it's painful for everyone concerned and each country having different policies makes it a mess, a centralised EU approach can't arrive quick enough.

hmmm · 13-04-2021 11:06PM

If they start pushing this back on airlines (or fining them) the airlines will simply stop flying to Ireland. And then, despite what SF think, we are beginning to see very real damage to a country which is so reliant on international trade and connectivity.

13-04-2021 11:09PM

hmmm wrote: »

If they start pushing this back on airlines (or fining them) the airlines will simply stop flying to Ireland. And then, despite what SF think, we are beginning to see very real damage to a country which is so reliant on international trade and connectivity.

Obligations of Airlines are low.
It isn't in the legislation despite what MrMusician18 would have you believe.

Right of Return is a basic right recognised internationally.
If you as an Irish Citizen turn up at an Irish airport or port they can't turn you away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return

13-04-2021 11:17PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Free at last!

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0413/1209727-niamh-mulreany-kirstie-mcgrath/

But the Gardai that dealt with them are still waiting their second tests

13-04-2021 11:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Obligations of Airlines are low.
It isn't in the legislation despite what MrMusician18 would have you believe.

Right of Return is a basic right recognised internationally.
If you as an Irish Citizen turn up at an Irish airport or port they can't turn you away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return

While I agree, it doesn't apply to tourists being delayed. It does to displaced person's

13-04-2021 11:21PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

While I agree, it doesn't apply to tourists being delayed. It does to displaced person's

Since when did a Tourist stop being a Human with basic human rights?

josip · 14-04-2021 12:01AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

But the Gardai that dealt with them are still waiting their second tests

Did the Dubai 2 test positive at some stage?

14-04-2021 12:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Since when did a Tourist stop being a Human with basic human rights?

Not really how it works considering it's a right as defined by the united nations in regards human displacement.

josip wrote: »

Did the Dubai 2 test positive at some stage?

indeed. Course the mother then declared it a false positive and people just blindly believed her.

josip · 14-04-2021 12:09AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

indeed. Course the mother then declared it a false positive and people just blindly believed her.

If someone tests positive on entering MHQ, could they still be let out on day 10, even with a negative test ?
Many are postulating that is the reason they were let out, although I haven't seen it reported as such anywhere.

14-04-2021 12:15AM

josip wrote: »

If someone tests positive on entering MHQ, could they still be let out on day 10, even with a negative test ?
Many are postulating that is the reason they were let out, although I haven't seen it reported as such anywhere.

No idea how it works inside the facilities but they only went in on the 4th I think so the days must e counted from the 2nd, when they landed and would have entered the mhq facility originally.

That would make the 13th the release day I think ðŸ€”

Jack1985 · 14-04-2021 12:26AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

indeed. Course the mother then declared it a false positive and people just blindly believed her.

Sorry that's actually not the case. The Indepedent confirmed it was a false-positive.

https://www.independent.ie/news/covid-tests-on-two-mothers-who-travelled-to-dubai-have-returned-negative-results-40281331.html

If you test positive in MHQ your stay increases from 10 to 20 to days. They were both negative.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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