Random EV thoughts.....

McGiver · 01-04-2021 07:24AM

the_amazing_raisin wrote:

Tayto park for sure, possibly even Dublin Zoo (if they ever put in proper parking nearby), lots of tourist attractions could benefit from a decent AC charging park and as you say it could be an easy source of extra revenue

Cliffs of Moher, the supposedly coolest attraction in Ireland has exactly, yes, zero chargers. Has a huge car park, shops, cafÃ© but no, not even 1 SCP. I'll let that sink in.

MJohnston · 01-04-2021 10:08AM

McGiver wrote: »

Cliffs of Moher, the supposedly coolest attraction in Ireland has exactly, yes, zero chargers. Has a huge car park, shops, cafÃ© but no, not even 1 SCP. I'll let that sink in.

Off topic I know but the huge car park utterly ruins the Cliffs of Moher. All the touristy **** should be a couple km away with a shuttle bus to the cliffs themselves.

It’s like going to the Great Pyramids and finding out there’s a Pizza Hut next door.

slave1 · 01-04-2021 11:45AM

MJohnston wrote: »

It’s like going to the Great Pyramids and finding out there’s a Pizza Hut next door.

Was a great view at Sunset though, and to beat it there's a Coke fridge in Khufu's chamber, never have I downed a full Coke like I did that day!!!

AndyBoBandy · 01-04-2021 11:48AM

MJohnston wrote: »

It’s like going to the Great Pyramids and finding out there’s a Pizza Hut next door.

The carpark is grand where it it, stick 10 7kW chargers in the carpark, and make them free to use.... I'd head there for a day trip from Dublin is there was charging while there...

I've not been to Egypt, but have heard the views of the pyramids from the other side are not as nice...

And Pizza Hut is a 10 minute walk from the Great Pyramids. But surely that's an April Fool's joke? Edit: on me

Kramer · 01-04-2021 03:31PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The carpark is grand where it it, stick 10 7kW chargers in the carpark, and make them free to use.... I'd head there for a day trip from Dublin is there was charging while there...

Free to use?

Clare County Council charge €20 to enter the car park (2 adults).
You ain't getting anything free from them

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the_amazing_raisin · 01-04-2021 03:40PM

Kramer wrote: »

Free to use?

Clare County Council charge €20 to enter the car park (2 adults).
You ain't getting anything free from them .

Well you don't need your left leg with an EV so I guess they could take that

Repeat business might get difficult though

is_that_so · 02-04-2021 11:25AM

Some changes coming to the current system of grants.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0402/1207562-grant-electric-cars/

AndyBoBandy · 02-04-2021 11:28AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Some changes coming to the current system of grants.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0402/1207562-grant-electric-cars/

Phew grant should be €0

but at least it's being cut for the Range Rover's, because Range Rover buyers really needed that €5k knocked off the asking price...

kirving · 02-04-2021 11:43AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Phew grant should be €0

but at least it's being cut for the Range Rover's, because Range Rover buyers really needed that €5k knocked off the asking price...

The same could be said for Teslas. No car is environmentally friendly if we take a wider view.

In reality, the use case is most important. Many PHEVs do 90% of their journies on battery. My own does about 10-20% on battery.

At the risk of sounding like NI's Cash for Ash debacle, if they're to give grants BEVs and PHEVs, it should be a rebate on electricity costs as opposed to car costs.

It would encourage charging infrastructure to be implemented (as a means to track usage would be needed for Revenue), and would also give most benefit to people who would otherwise be burning more petrol or diesel.

Little point in giving 5k to for someone to have a new BEV outside their door, which will never cover any miles, and in fact causes more environmental damage as it's yet another new car after all.

cannco253 · 02-04-2021 11:52AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/kia-sorento-phev-seven-seater-with-practicality-and-comfort-in-abundance-1.4518918

"It’s one of the best surprises of 2021. Kia has delivered a big seven-seat plug-in hybrid SUV, with off-road ability, an abundance of modern tech and comfort features for €50,000. That’s €2,440 less than you pay for the equivalent diesel version. Who said going electric meant paying more?

Match all this with the ability to run on full-electric power for 40km along with really smart styling and you can see why we have been so impressed by the new Sorento. To cap it all, that €50,000 price tag (after the SEAI grant) is remarkably competitive for a car of this type."

I guess that €2,440 price difference vanishes after 1 July, unless the OTR price or spec drops.....

the_amazing_raisin · 02-04-2021 12:35PM

cannco253 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/kia-sorento-phev-seven-seater-with-practicality-and-comfort-in-abundance-1.4518918

"It’s one of the best surprises of 2021. Kia has delivered a big seven-seat plug-in hybrid SUV, with off-road ability, an abundance of modern tech and comfort features for €50,000. That’s €2,440 less than you pay for the equivalent diesel version. Who said going electric meant paying more?

Match all this with the ability to run on full-electric power for 40km along with really smart styling and you can see why we have been so impressed by the new Sorento. To cap it all, that €50,000 price tag (after the SEAI grant) is remarkably competitive for a car of this type."

I guess that €2,440 price difference vanishes after 1 July, unless the OTR price or spec drops.....

Well the UK dropped the grant limit and like magic a bunch of EVs got cheaper. No doubt the same will happen here with EVs and PHEVs that are on the margin of the grant

cannco253 · 02-04-2021 12:55PM

So will Ioniq 5 (Project 45) and Kia EV6 (GT) prices drop? Are they expected to come in under €60k?

AndyBoBandy · 02-04-2021 01:05PM

Did anyone else look at the interior, particularly the central air vents, and be immediately reminded of Star Wars?

Black_Knight · 02-04-2021 06:34PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Some changes coming to the current system of grants.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0402/1207562-grant-electric-cars/

Biggest impediment to ev adopting is education? Nah, it's cost and availability. Small hatches are available, Small family cars are available, but only just now are family SUV cars coming available, but still are very high intro prices. Skoda and VW might have mid €30s SUVs coming, but their range will shock the illinformed.

the_amazing_raisin · 02-04-2021 08:09PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Biggest impediment to ev adopting is education? Nah, it's cost and availability. Small hatches are available, Small family cars are available, but only just now are family SUV cars coming available, but still are very high intro prices. Skoda and VW might have mid €30s SUVs coming, but their range will shock the illinformed.

To be fair there's still plenty of people who think EV owners spend half their lives at charging stations or on tow trucks because they ran out of battery

Black_Knight · 02-04-2021 08:31PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

To be fair there's still plenty of people who think EV owners spend half their lives at charging stations or on tow trucks because they ran out of battery

I spend most my time these days at charging stations. Good thing it's my house too.

liamog · 02-04-2021 08:44PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Biggest impediment to ev adopting is education? Nah, it's cost and availability. Small hatches are available, Small family cars are available, but only just now are family SUV cars coming available, but still are very high intro prices. Skoda and VW might have mid €30s SUVs coming, but their range will shock the illinformed.

Biggest blocker for me is charging without off-street parking, I know a few people with the disposible income and an enough of an interest to want to purchase an EV but they couldn't because of living in apartments or townhouses and it just being too complicated.

innrain · 05-04-2021 12:13PM

Quite a nice test
https://youtu.be/t0KODBGQVCM
It shows how much the EV world progressed. when comparing TM3LR vs TS85. It also shows that there is no excuse.

irishgrover · 05-04-2021 02:22PM

innrain wrote:

Quite a nice test

Thanks for sharing. That's a great little test

unkel · 05-04-2021 09:04PM

Proper real world test

All cars were pretty much brand new, except the Tesla Model X and Model S, they used older cars with smaller & degraded batteries. Interestingly, if they had used all 2020 / 2021 cars, then the only cars that would have made it home with no charging at all would have been the Tesla Model S and Model 3, possibly even the Model X too

B!gD0g543 · 07-04-2021 12:33AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Phew grant should be €0

but at least it's being cut for the Range Rover's, because Range Rover buyers really needed that €5k knocked off the asking price...

I think you could actually say the same for every Tesla vehicle!

cannco253 · 09-04-2021 05:33PM

Dartz launches Freze Nikrob as "cheapest EV in the EU"

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dartz-launches-freze-nikrob-cheapest-ev-eu

"A base-model price of €9999 (£8668) makes the Nikrob around €2500 cheaper than the new Dacia Spring Electric, which was also claimed to be the cheapest electric car on sale in Europe."

the_amazing_raisin · 11-04-2021 05:39PM

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/ford-vw-battery-supplier-said-to-reach-deal-to-avoid-import-ban

I'd say there's a lot of relieved people in Ford and VW at the moment

unkel · 11-04-2021 06:40PM

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/ford-vw-battery-supplier-said-to-reach-deal-to-avoid-import-ban

I'd say there's a lot of relieved people in Ford and VW at the moment

I wonder what POTUS threatened them with

the_amazing_raisin · 11-04-2021 09:19PM

unkel wrote: »

I wonder what POTUS threatened them with

Probably told them he'd pull all the American troops out of South Korea if SKI pulled out of Georgia

It was a fairly ridiculous one to begin with, companies poach knowledgeable people from each other all the time. Only difference here was that SK were fairly blatant about it and got caught. They were likely always going to settle, but I think LG were stringing it along for all it was worth

I'd say VW's recent power day played into both company's thinking as well. Apparently VW execs weren't too happy about two of their suppliers playing silly buggers and didn't consult them about their whole standard battery cell thing

When VW said they were building 6 battery plants in Europe to supply their EVs, and specifically mentioned Northvolt as partners without mentioning SK or LG, then I imagine people got nervous in both the Korean companies and they decided to go for a settlement quickly

Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, but the order of events was interesting

liamog · 11-04-2021 09:25PM

Maybe LG just won the contract for the US Post new electric fleet.

liamog · 12-04-2021 03:10PM

Probably the ID.5 announcing soon

https://twitter.com/volkswagen/status/1381607494015934469

ELM327 · 12-04-2021 03:16PM

Is that the remade VW bus?

liamog · 12-04-2021 03:21PM

It's the coupe version of the ID.4

vw-id.4-coupe.jpg

cannco253 · 12-04-2021 03:24PM

Could be the ID.6

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2022-volkswagen-id6-family-sized-crossover-teased-seats-7-people-159113.html

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